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Originally posted by drewandian View PostI didn't see your Elizabeth as some kind of superhero though...she was still very humanSpoiler:(I mean, superheroes don't have emotional breakdowns and bash the crap outta stuff....people do though)Spoiler:I so wanted her to have a breakdown and just go on a ranting screaming fit. After everything she had been through, I think I'd be worried for her sanity if she didn't go on a tear.
Originally posted by Anuna View PostI find the stuff you did in your fic different.Spoiler:Though given where she's at in the story now, there's plenty of potential to see Super!Lizzie kickin' ass in the future.(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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Originally posted by Scary Kitty View PostHah!Spoiler:I so wanted her to have a breakdown and just go on a ranting screaming fit. After everything she had been through, I think I'd be worried for her sanity if she didn't go on a tear.
Hee! *huggles*Spoiler:Though given where she's at in the story now, there's plenty of potential to see Super!Lizzie kickin' ass in the future.Spoiler:And I love the ranting screaming fit....
I'm working on my Sparky Advent fic right now...and Liz is being a bit cranky...I love pushing those boundaries!My fanfics:http://evil_bad_evil.livejournal.com/3389.htmlMember of the Sisterhood of the Pantster Fan Fic Writers
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Originally posted by Scary Kitty View PostHah!Spoiler:I so wanted her to have a breakdown and just go on a ranting screaming fit. After everything she had been through, I think I'd be worried for her sanity if she didn't go on a tear.
Hee! *huggles*Spoiler:Though given where she's at in the story now, there's plenty of potential to see Super!Lizzie kickin' ass in the future.I'm not weird, I'm limited edition.
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Originally posted by drewandian View PostSpoiler:And I love the ranting screaming fit....
I'm working on my Sparky Advent fic right now...and Liz is being a bit cranky...I love pushing those boundaries!Spoiler:I love Cranky!Lizzie! Especially when she's got John around to help her de-stress.
Originally posted by Anuna View PostYour fic was very realistic in the regard of what happened to Elizabeth and how she could/would react. I loved that part, not everyone dares doing something like that in a fic.(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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Originally posted by Anuna View PostOh please. It's like saying "Voldemort" in Harry Potter's world. Call the thing by it's name. I was born in ex Yugoslavia. That country was better in many things than the one I live in now. The "S" thing wasn't so scary as you might think, and yes, our healthcare is very good. I am familiar with US politics up to some level, but I would never tell you "you're right about this and wrong about that". That would be unfair and uncalled for. I don't live there, but you do.
If I ever write a fic like that it's going to stay at my journal and will never be published anywhere else because I had enough wank already, caused by a really innocent topic (when compared to politics). So.
And speaking of wank, just think of the reaction if TPTB had gotten brave and had Elizabeth do things as morally dubious as John did on several occasions. Well, actually it couldn't have gotten much worse because she was blamed for the whole Michael fiasco even though Carson verbally took responsibility in canon. And just recently I read a description on another forum of John as being a psycho. So who knows how people react to things.
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Originally posted by Southern Red View PostThanks for that. Everyone is a bit cranky right now in the political arena. LOL I wish everyone was as accepting and tactful as you are.
And speaking of wank, just think of the reaction if TPTB had gotten brave and had Elizabeth do things as morally dubious as John did on several occasions. Well, actually it couldn't have gotten much worse because she was blamed for the whole Michael fiasco even though Carson verbally took responsibility in canon. And just recently I read a description on another forum of John as being a psycho. So who knows how people react to things.
I was trained to be tactful
Just kidding, honey. I wish people were more tactful, you know? Most of our problems would have been solved easily.I'm not weird, I'm limited edition.
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Originally posted by Probie View PostTorri is so gorgeous! I want to see Jordan in NCIS again.
The story was sad. Poor Ducky. And I add: Mark Harmon is really really really charming.
Please NCIS producers, bring back Jordan and Torry!!! Don't be like TPTB!!!I'm not weird, I'm limited edition.
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Originally posted by Scary Kitty View PostI actually copied and pasted each fic into Word and fiddled with custom fonts and formatting to make 'em look even prettier.
Originally posted by Lt.Colonel John Sheppard View Postim surprised during Doppelganger Evil Sheppard didn't mention Elizabeth to Our John.
Here's a fic where she is in the vision. My Doppleganger Almost Killed Me
Originally posted by drewandian View PostAnd, if she had pigtails, he'd totally be pulling them all the time...boys are goobers! lol
Originally posted by drewandian View PostI didn't see your Elizabeth as some kind of superhero though...she was still very humanSpoiler:(I mean, superheroes don't have emotional breakdowns and bash the crap outta stuff....people do though)Last edited by Erin87; 20 November 2009, 11:57 AM.
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Doppelganger was the first episodes they shot too. Since Torri had to show up in the other early episodes, wouldn't she have been able to did that one too? It was a fairly early episode so even if they didn't want to mention her for most of season 4, adding her in a couple scenes would have not really interfered with that plan. Maybe they just didn't think about her at all.
You could possibly argue the point that the entity was trying to convince John that all the things he was showing him were actually happening, and therefore Elizabeth suddenly showing up would have tipped him off early, but he didn't seem to bother keeping up that charade for too much time.
Watching Season 4 is because the writers seemed to be entirely oblivious to the huge void in the cast. I'm not sure why, even though she took over her role, Carter never seemed appear anywhere near as much as Elizabeth did.
It's been my experience that whenever there is a big void in a show like that (temporarily or permanently) you can often make it work by having the characters themselves step up and deal with it too. With Season 4, the PTB appeared to be of the opinion that everything was so much better without her.
I think TPTB did have a vague desire to continue with Weir's story but it was very low on their list of priorities. I mean even Jonas got one episode where he returned.
I used to think that the primary obstacle to Torri coming back was the actress's reluctance, not the TPTB's. And while I think there may have been a time where that was the case, I imagine the PTB are probably not happy about even mentioning her anymore than in passing anymore."First Weir, then Samantha Carter, and now, you! It's a pity you humans die or get reassigned so easily, or I might have a sense of satisfaction now!"
*You got the touch! You got the poweeeeer!*
"Arise, Woolseyus Prime."
"Elizabeth..."
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Originally posted by Infinite-Possibilities View PostDoppelganger was the first episodes they shot too. Since Torri had to show up in the other early episodes, wouldn't she have been able to did that one too? It was a fairly early episode so even if they didn't want to mention her for most of season 4, adding her in a couple scenes would have not really interfered with that plan. Maybe they just didn't think about her at all.
You could possibly argue the point that the entity was trying to convince John that all the things he was showing him were actually happening, and therefore Elizabeth suddenly showing up would have tipped him off early, but he didn't seem to bother keeping up that charade for too much time.
Watching Season 4 is because the writers seemed to be entirely oblivious to the huge void in the cast. I'm not sure why, even though she took over her role, Carter never seemed appear anywhere near as much as Elizabeth did.
It's been my experience that whenever there is a big void in a show like that (temporarily or permanently) you can often make it work by having the characters themselves step up and deal with it too. With Season 4, the PTB appeared to be of the opinion that everything was so much better without her.
I think TPTB did have a vague desire to continue with Weir's story but it was very low on their list of priorities. I mean even Jonas got one episode where he returned.
I used to think that the primary obstacle to Torri coming back was the actress's reluctance, not the TPTB's. And while I think there may have been a time where that was the case, I imagine the PTB are probably not happy about even mentioning her anymore than in passing anymore.I'm not weird, I'm limited edition.
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Originally posted by Anuna View PostWas that Torri as Ducky's ex girlfriend ep? I absolutely hated what they did to her hair, make up and clothing in that one.
My dad was happy to see her too. He said "Wait, this is the sci fi hot woman. I want to sleep but I have to watch it now." My dad is in love with her.lolsigpic
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Originally posted by Southern Red View PostThanks for that. Everyone is a bit cranky right now in the political arena. LOL I wish everyone was as accepting and tactful as you are.
And speaking of wank, just think of the reaction if TPTB had gotten brave and had Elizabeth do things as morally dubious as John did on several occasions. Well, actually it couldn't have gotten much worse because she was blamed for the whole Michael fiasco even though Carson verbally took responsibility in canon. And just recently I read a description on another forum of John as being a psycho. So who knows how people react to things.My fanfics:http://evil_bad_evil.livejournal.com/3389.htmlMember of the Sisterhood of the Pantster Fan Fic Writers
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Originally posted by Probie View PostTorri is so gorgeous! I want to see Jordan in NCIS again.
The story was sad. Poor Ducky. And I add: Mark Harmon is really really really charming.
Please NCIS producers, bring back Jordan and Torry!!! Don't be like TPTB!!!
Originally posted by Anuna View PostWas that Torri as Ducky's ex girlfriend ep? I absolutely hated what they did to her hair, make up and clothing in that one.
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostThanks for that. Everyone is a bit cranky right now in the political arena. LOL I wish everyone was as accepting and tactful as you are.
And speaking of wank, just think of the reaction if TPTB had gotten brave and had Elizabeth do things as morally dubious as John did on several occasions. Well, actually it couldn't have gotten much worse because she was blamed for the whole Michael fiasco even though Carson verbally took responsibility in canon. And just recently I read a description on another forum of John as being a psycho. So who knows how people react to things.
Originally posted by Anuna View PostI'd ask them to define a psycho (it's the same thing as saying to jack Hodgins something is "dirt". LOL If you watch Bones, youll get my lame joke). What is, actually a psycho? A psychopat? John doesn't meet the criteria. If I ever had to diagnose him, I'd say he is seriously neurotic with lots of repressed issues related to father - son relationship (surprise!), and his abandonment fear. That's John Sheppard in a nutshell.
I was trained to be tactful
Just kidding, honey. I wish people were more tactful, you know? Most of our problems would have been solved easily.
Originally posted by Infinite-Possibilities View PostDoppelganger was the first episodes they shot too. Since Torri had to show up in the other early episodes, wouldn't she have been able to did that one too? It was a fairly early episode so even if they didn't want to mention her for most of season 4, adding her in a couple scenes would have not really interfered with that plan. Maybe they just didn't think about her at all.
Originally posted by Infinite-Possibilities View PostYou could possibly argue the point that the entity was trying to convince John that all the things he was showing him were actually happening, and therefore Elizabeth suddenly showing up would have tipped him off early, but he didn't seem to bother keeping up that charade for too much time.
Watching Season 4 is because the writers seemed to be entirely oblivious to the huge void in the cast. I'm not sure why, even though she took over her role, Carter never seemed appear anywhere near as much as Elizabeth did.
It's been my experience that whenever there is a big void in a show like that (temporarily or permanently) you can often make it work by having the characters themselves step up and deal with it too. With Season 4, the PTB appeared to be of the opinion that everything was so much better without her.
I think TPTB did have a vague desire to continue with Weir's story but it was very low on their list of priorities. I mean even Jonas got one episode where he returned.
I used to think that the primary obstacle to Torri coming back was the actress's reluctance, not the TPTB's. And while I think there may have been a time where that was the case, I imagine the PTB are probably not happy about even mentioning her anymore than in passing anymore.(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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