Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Scary Kitty]

Hark! It is I, Scary Kitty, Guardian of Fandom Timelines! Returned from battle with the dreaded pre-Thanksgiving hordes!

'NUNA! *glomps you* I've been missing you, sweetie!

It's a healthy fear.

True fax, dat.

I wonder if they ever had another psychiatrist come to Atlantis after Kate died that wasn't seen onscreen. I mean, with everything the team went through, they needed to have a mental health specialist available. The trauma of losing Elizabeth, teh events of "Doppelganger", more Elizabeth trauma, Teyla's kidnapping ... it would seem irresponsible of TPTW (RL or show) to not provide a replacement for Kate. Not, of course, replacing her -- FH would never forgive me if I suggested otherwise -- but you know what I mean.

Judging from S4-5 being John's dark period, I'm inclined to say no. Then again, I doubt he would've talked to a shrink much, anyways.

Yeah, he does have those problems with talking about his feelings. Just ask Teyla.

Spoiler:

http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/20...7713489201.jpg

AHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!!! Priceless!

[Southern Red]

I knew I forgot to comment on something. It was about replacing Kate. The Legacy books do have a new psychologist, and she is suddenly John's BFF. Now how OOC is that? But from what I hear, the departure from canon in those books is epic.

[Pearl of Atlantis76]

Actually, I have to differ with you on this. I agree that everyone who wants to should try writing fanfic. You never know what you can accomplish until you try. However, a lot of writers don't find out if they are good or not because fans tend not to give honest reviews. Now if a bunch of people tell you (yes, I'm looking at you MentallyUnstableFox) that your fic was good and that you should write more, and if they are people who also write good fics, then you know you are good. But if you really want an honest opinion, you have to ask a respected writer and/or beta in private to give you advice. Nobody wants to hurt a writer's feelings or discourage them from enjoying fandom, so all of us tend to be very very tactful with new writers.

I like the way Fox cautiously asked for reviews and didn't have an unrealistic ego about her abilities. We were all happy to welcome her to the Sparky writing community.

You are entitled to your opinion.

But i still think we should praise new writers like Mentally unstable fox for their courage in being able to post their fics in a place like this thread.

I agree that not everyone is talented to write, but i think everyone should give it a try if they are willing to do so. We need to start somewhere, and even if we might not be good at first, i think with the reviews from others we might end up improving the little beginners mistakes. But i do have to recognise that some writers are really talented, where others are not! Not everyone is able to write a good fic.

I agree that sometimes it is hard to review properly when you are trying not to hurt someone. I mean i am terrible with reviews, i hardly ever give them, i rather comment what i am feeling while reading a fic than actually write a review, i admit that i am not good at reviewing.

So what you are saying is that only other writers should review fics?

By the way, may i ask what you think about those who only have ideas and aren't good at writing them, you think it is acceptable to give the ideas to other writers, or not really?

Yep, "it depends" pretty much sums it up. And absolutely, it was way funnier that we didn't know, but I often found myself reading the translations later, just to see if he ever said anything worth knowing. Like in one episode, IIRC, he said "I can't work with these actors!"

So he actually says things that don't make sense to the show? That's funny, LOL!

Thank you so much! I'm trying to figure out those answers as well

I hope you will find them soon.

Yes, you did. And thank you all for your awesome support !!! I'm usually not very outgoing in sharing anything I do with anyone because they usually can't handle how awesome I am because I'm so nervous, but you guys are really great, and I'm sure the only criticism you'd give would be the constructive kind.

Wait a second, only one hour left?! *checks program*
No! I now have to decide between Sateda and Princess Bride in an hour... The world shall meet its end.

I would be nervous too, that's why i think you are awesome because you actually had the courage to do so, i admire that!

Rodney gets shot in the butt with an arrow. And he's screaming like a girl! AHAHAHAHAHA!

I love this scene! LOL!

"Oh Crap" - I love it when John says that.

Me too!!!!!

That reminds me. I meet a girl today that had a hair cut a lot like Elizabeth's.

Really?!

Elizabeth and Carson roll their eyes over Rodney's behaviour.

So funny! LOL

Yep, John and Liz forever.

Yeah!!!!!!

Ronon threatens one of the villagers, and then himself to save John and Teyla, Jason did such a great job in this whole episode.

I agree

Time for Die Hard on an alien planet.

LOL!

His sessions with Kate would have been interesting.

I agree, too bad we never saw any of them.

"...Like sitting"
"I can imagine, it must be a real pain in the ass"
"Haha, how long did it take for you to come up with that?"
"Longer than I care to admit"

LOL, so funny!

I like that and I like the idea of being able to try and track the trackers however it does make me wish that they would have tried to use it again to find more runners to help.

Yeah, they could have done it easily, but oh well...

Gah, this talk about not leaving our people behind just pisses me off since they left Lizzeh behind only a year later.

I know. It only makes me madder hearing them all say that.

I know, I'm beginning to hate that line, on SGA anyway, especially in the early seasons when you now know that it alldepends on the person and does not include everyone.

Yeah, i can't stand that sentence after what they did to Lizzie!!

I have the same feeling, Southern Red!

I already do, Brie! Now even when i hear it in another shows, i can't stand it! And yes, it is so unpleasant to hear it on the early seasons of SGA, after knowing what we know now, i know exactly what you mean.

More flashbacks... Melena was so awesome, what little we saw of her.

I agree. It was really a pity because we weren't able to see more of Ronon's life or know more about it afterwards.

Is it me or is that the same warehouse at the end of Season Four but just from a different angle?

It probably is, will pay more attention next time i see both episodes.

Oh look, Teyla curled her hair and put on her low cut tank just to accidently run into John in the mess hall. And yet, he's not even looking. Yet she keeps on pushing him to talk when he's obviously uncomfortable. Yeah, that worked.

Yeah, i think everyone notices that he is really paying no attention to her "wardrobe", LOL! ;P She really doesn't know him at all, because if not she wouldn't do that!

Never noticed the smile before. Thanks for pointing that out.

Yes, me neither! Will have to re watch Sateda really soon!

Rodney and his citrus underware.

LOL! Rodney is always hilarious!!!

More like he wasn't allowed to keep that promise. Damn you, PTW.

Yes, you are right, Scary Kitty.

Just like those times she kept pushing hugs on him.

She really didn't understand him at all!

I know and he went stiff as a board and gave her the brotherly shoulder pat. Love it.

I absolutely love the brotherly shoulder pat!

It's very different from the silent conversations with their eyes and body languish that John have with Elizabeth when both of them can almost read each other’s minds.

It's exactly the opposite!

[ShWeir]

Look what I found on the Online Urban Dictionary;

5. Sparky
Nickname for the pairing (ship) John Sheppard/Elizabeth Weir in Stargate Atlantis.
suppously named after the sparks between them

'I wrote a Sparky fic'
'I made a Sparky icon'
'This episode was full of Sparky moments'

Sure it's wrong on how Sparky was named Sparky but it made me chuckle when I saw it.

[Pearl of Atlantis76]

The 25 Wraith killing contest begins soon.

I love the results, LOL!

Rodney and Carson fighting over who get's to go out and shoot Wraith.

They are so funny!

John killed that same Wraith twice, so I guess that's why his count wasn't quite accurate.

LOL!

"I got six, Teyla got...?"
"Eight"
"I got nine, Teyla got eight"

Nice.

I just love Teyla's looks after John says that.

I love this scene!!!! LOL!

Yeah, Mandogater! LOL!

This guy has a serious hair loss problem. Maybe he can borrow Ronon's S5 wig.

LOL! It probably would look better on him!

"Which one of you killed the wraith?"
"I did"
"It was my idea"

And aww at Ronon hugging Carson, that was sweet.

And now John's number of wraith kill went up even more.

And of course the end.

"Who's flying the ship"
"Me"




"Oh"

I also love this scene!!

That was fun as always ‘Sateda’ is a very good episode. I’m looking forward to ‘Progeny’ next week because no matter how much I hate the replicators for what they did I can’t help but love that we get more Liz and even some more jealous John.

I feel the same.

Really, can anyone change how their mother behaves?

I would like to know how to do it!!!

I've heard that too. When you lose a sense, the others ramp up to compensate for it!. I guess with this logic, this means that your writing is wises up to combat the others! I can't draw to save my soul, but I can create images with the words I write!

Nicely said!!

[Eri13]

Schools have changed a lot since I was teaching. Showing a TV show or movie not on the "approved" list would have earned us a trip to the woodshed.

Not self proclaimed, but duly elected by the SGA-R planning committee. LOL It was due to the fact that I taught writing and English and copyedit for people in RL. The SGA-R writers and I have been around the "comma needed" and "no comma needed" circle a number of times. Yet they still haven't learned. I just can't help breaking out the red pen of doom sometimes.

And also, I have a bit of knowledge of US military matters due to my Marine, Mr. SR, and a herd of military friends.

Oh, I try. I really do. But I fail. I hate commas. *hangs head*

But I love her Red Pen of Doom (henceforth referred to the SRRPoD. She makes me look so grammatically stunning after the beatdown. Even if she likes to attack my power punctuation--the dash.

*dash-dash-dash-dash-dash*

Happy Thanksgiving early all you Sparkies!

[Southern Red]

You are entitled to your opinion.

But i still think we should praise new writers like Mentally unstable fox for their courage in being able to post their fics in a place like this thread.

I agree that not everyone is talented to write, but i think everyone should give it a try if they are willing to do so. We need to start somewhere, and even if we might not be good at first, i think with the reviews from others we might end up improving the little beginners mistakes. But i do have to recognise that some writers are really talented, where others are not! Not everyone is able to write a good fic.

I agree that sometimes it is hard to review properly when you are trying not to hurt someone. I mean i am terrible with reviews, i hardly ever give them, i rather comment what i am feeling while reading a fic than actually write a review, i admit that i am not good at reviewing.

So what you are saying is that only other writers should review fics?

By the way, may i ask what you think about those who only have ideas and aren't good at writing them, you think it is acceptable to give the ideas to other writers, or not really?

I think somehow you missed my point because I said exactly what you are saying. I said that everyone should try writing fanfic. I said people sometimes don't give honest reviews because they are reluctant to hurt someone's feelings. And I complemented MentallyUnstableFox profusely for being brave to put her fic on the thread and for being a good writer. What did I say that you disagree with?

If you get a good review, with or without constructive criticism from someone that you know is a good writer, that should tell you your writing is also good. But, of course, anyone is welcome to review fics. I said that perhaps it is better if feedback is given in private, rather than on a public forum. Like the beta process, it works better not to do all the back and forth of editing in public. And of course it is acceptable to give your ideas to others. We do that here all the time. Everything goes in fanfic writing. There are no rules except to be polite, tactful and respectful.

That's why the red pen of doom only comes out in emails, never here. *waves to Eri*

[Pearl of Atlantis76]

*Takes a deep breath* After MentallyUnstableFox bravely showed us an attempt to write Sparky fic, I realized that I should show you all something, too.

This is the first part of a larger story that I began many months ago, when I was just venturing into the world of fanfiction. It is actually not completed - my plan was to have four or five separate parts/chapters, and I only have the first and last parts written. As for the middle parts, I have a general sense of the plotline, but I'm struggling on how to write it, as creative writing is not my forte at all.

I do have a couple of specific questions that I'd like to ask, but for now, I would really appreciate any feedback I can get from you guys. I accept both praise and criticism and also any tips on how I can improve my writing. Since I have never done creative writing before, my first attempt in writing fanfiction is a series of missing scenes from "The Return, Part 1." This is supposed to be a team fic, though I plan on throwing in bits of Sparky here and there. Everything follows canon, and I've tried to make up for my lack of creativity by nailing characterizations.

So... please read. I hope you guys enjoy what I have so far, and I would greatly appreciate any comments and/or suggestions you guys have.

My current working title is simply "Missing Scenes: 3.10 The Return, Part 1."

Spoiler:

John stepped out of the Gate with Rodney and Carson beside him and nodded his head at the general waiting for them at the end of the ramp.

“General O’Neill.” John shook his hand.

“Colonel Sheppard, Doctor McKay, Doctor Beckett.” General O’Neill acknowledged each of the men in turn. “Welcome back to Earth.”

“You’ll understand, sir, when I say that Earth is the last place in the universe that we want to be in now,” John replied dryly. “I would say last place on Earth, but...”

General O’Neill gave him a wry smile. “Ah, is Doctor Weir still on the other side?” he asked.

John turned his head and looked around him, only noticing just then that Elizabeth wasn’t with them. “Um... yeah, she should be coming through any minute now...” John said hesitantly, puzzled. He frowned. “Funny, she should have been with us.”

Seconds later, the event horizon rippled as one more figure emerged from the Gate. Elizabeth made her way down the ramp, a silver Atlantis briefcase in one hand.

“General O’Neill.” Elizabeth smiled and shook his hand. “It’s good to see you.”

“Good to see you, too, Doctor,” General O’Neill replied. “Is that everyone?”

Elizabeth hesitated for a moment before responding. “Yeah. Everyone’s through.”

General O’Neill nodded before glancing up to the control room, signaling to the technician there to shut down the Gate. As the wormhole disengaged, he turned back to the foursome.

“Uh, there’s breakfast in the commissary, if you guys didn’t eat already before leaving,” he quickly mentioned.

Elizabeth smiled. “Thank you, Jack. We’d best head over to the infirmary first, though, and get ourselves checked over.”

General O’Neill nodded, and with a final glance at the team, he walked away.

“Well, I don’t know about you guys,” Rodney piped up, “but dinner seems like ages ago, so let’s get this check-up out and over with, shall we?” With that, he headed off to the infirmary with Carson close behind. John was about to follow them, but he stopped and turned around when he realized that Elizabeth was still standing at the end of ramp, gazing at the closed Stargate.

“Elizabeth? You coming?” John studied her, wondering if she heard him at all, and he was about call her again when she turned around.

“Yeah. I’m coming.” She forced a smile. “Let’s go.”

She brushed past John, and after a brief moment of hesitation, followed her to the infirmary.

The four of them filled their plates from the buffet and found a table near the corner of the commissary. John tried to keep the discussion alive, and with Rodney and Carson joining in, the meal wasn’t awkwardly eaten in silence. However, John noticed that Elizabeth was unusually quiet during the entire meal. Back on Atlantis, she only ate with them occasionally, but when she did, she was usually very active in the conversation. That morning, though, her attention was completely focused on her plate as she half-heartedly picked at her scrambled eggs and hash browns, not seeming to have much of an appetite. John caught her more than once staring off into the distance, though he didn’t know what she was staring at. It then occurred to him that there were no windows or balconies here at the SGC that led to the outside world. And even if there were, there was no ocean.

There were no briefings or meetings to attend that morning, as General O’Neill and Mr. Woolsey had already debriefed the SGC and IOA on the situation in Atlantis days before. Within the hour, the team had finished their breakfast, and Elizabeth and Rodney had arranged for taxis to come pick them up: Elizabeth’s to her apartment block, and Rodney’s to the airport, where he had to catch a flight to Nevada. John and Carson accompanied them up to the surface to see them off, and Rodney’s ride arrived all too soon.

“Well, I guess this is it, then.” Rodney shifted on his feet uncomfortably as the driver loaded what bags he had into the trunk.

“Yeah,” John replied. Silence fell over the four.

“Just so we’re clear, this isn’t goodbye forever, right?” Rodney quickly asked. “Because I’d hate to think that after all we’ve been through together in the past two years -- ”

“We’ll keep in touch,” John interrupted.

Rodney stopped. “Right,” he said.

“Rodney.” Elizabeth paused for a moment before continuing. “It’s -- it’s been wonderful, having you our team,” she finally managed to say.

Rodney gave a small nod, then looked at Carson, who just sorrowfully smiled at him.

The taxi was waiting. Seeing that there was no more that he could say, Rodney settled himself into the taxi and shut the door. His friends watched as the taxi left and drove off into the distance.

They waited in a heavy silence for Elizabeth’s ride to arrive. When another taxi pulled over to the curb a few minutes later, Elizabeth sighed deeply.

“Hey, at least you’re still staying in town,” John said, trying to be optimistic. “And you can always come by just to visit, seeing as how your apartment is only twenty minutes away from here. It doesn’t have to be work-related.”

Elizabeth gave him a small smile but didn’t respond.

“You know, this feels so weird,” John suddenly said. Elizabeth arched an eyebrow, prompting him to continue. “Being back on Earth, I mean,” John explained, “and going our separate ways. Soon, it’s just going to feel like the last two years never happened.”

Elizabeth flinched at those last words, and John cursed himself. Good one, John! Remind her of the time she was infected with nanites just as you say goodbye.

“Sorry,” he quickly apologized, and Carson reached out and patted her on the shoulder.

Without another word, Elizabeth climbed into the taxi. She didn’t look back as it left in the opposite direction Rodney’s had gone.

John let out a heavy sigh. “You think she’ll be ok?” he asked Carson.

Carson, too, gave a sigh of resignation. “I don’t know,” he admitted, a hint of worry in his reply. “I’m sure that given some time, she’ll be all right. But this has certainly hit her the hardest.”

John just nodded, not responding, and the two men stood together in a heavy silence.

“Come on,” Carson finally said after a long moment. “We’d best get back.” Reluctantly, John trudged after Carson back to the SGC, not looking back at the point down the road where the taxi had already vanished from their view.

I liked it! I always like the fics who will show us certain scenes we didn't see in the show, after "fixing fics", these ones are my favourite. But anyway, i would like to know when you will be showing us the continuation of this one. I look forward for it!

Spoiler:

Oh and if you mentioned "You guys" a lot of times, like i think SR mentioned, i didn't notice, i only remember it being said once.

Oh and yes, i can see Elizabeth's behaviour before my eyes while reading this one. You capture her reaction quite well.
And i can so see this small scene there too, i can even almost hear them here:

“Just so we’re clear, this isn’t goodbye forever, right?” Rodney quickly asked. “Because I’d hate to think that after all we’ve been through together in the past two years -- ”

“We’ll keep in touch,” John interrupted.

Rodney stopped. “Right,” he said.

Keep up with the good writing!

[Pearl of Atlantis76]

Oh my goooooosh! I loved this so much! I think you definitely nailed the characterization, and this missing scene truly would've been great to see. I'm glad somebody else decided to take the dive and post fic for the first time! Missing scenes are always my favourite to write as well

And they are one my favourites to read.

Very good start, Sparks! This makes me think that maybe I could post something of a teaser for my next chapter.

That sounds good to me!

Kate-fic... why no one writing Kate-fic? ... Or add Kate...

There should be more Kate-fic, damn it! *pouts*

Anyhow...

...you were saying...

There is a lot of Kate in Stargate Ren. If i find some fics with Kate, you will be the first one to know!

Those are awesome!! I can't green you today, so here's a Sparky hug for you:

I loved the Sparky hug!!! Thank you, JT-2

just for you

Look!!! Its

Spoiler:

Olivia and John Junior!!!!

I have one in mind but my muse keeps wondering off and hiding.

You have to do something to keep your muse from hiding.

I care, I just can't write. Kate's exit was unacceptable, no question. Why use an episode to illustrate how important a character is, only to remove them in said episode? Especially when the next season and a half proved that there was more need for her than ever before? The Shrine anyone? Not for Rodney, but for John/Teyla/Ronon....

I agree. And i believe that maybe the writers of the show needed to consult Kate as well, since their ideas were mostly nonsense, they were definitely in need of serious counselling!

[Pearl of Atlantis76]

Not self proclaimed, but duly elected by the SGA-R planning committee. LOL It was due to the fact that I taught writing and English and copyedit for people in RL. The SGA-R writers and I have been around the "comma needed" and "no comma needed" circle a number of times. Yet they still haven't learned. I just can't help breaking out the red pen of doom sometimes.

Oh you did?! Can i ask you something, if you don't mind? Can you please point out any mistake i might make whenever you see it, please? I like to learn from my mistakes, but i not always realise that i am making them, so feel free to point them out to me whenever you will see fit, i don't mind it at all. I will appreciate it quite a lot, thank you!

It’s sucks but unfortunately it’s not uncommon that the writers put that little extra effort into the writing of a character (that they should have put into them from the start) the very episode they die in, it makes the whole thing feel even worse because you finally got to the the characters full potential and then just nothing.

It seemed they were only able to achieve the characters true potential only when they were about to kill them. It was really quite disappointing.

Oh my goodness, you two. You're going to make the new people scared of me. That privilege is reserved for the SGA-R writers and my RL "clients."

I think i already am, LOL.

I wonder if they ever had another psychiatrist come to Atlantis after Kate died that wasn't seen onscreen. I mean, with everything the team went through, they needed to have a mental health specialist available. The trauma of losing Elizabeth, teh events of "Doppelganger", more Elizabeth trauma, Teyla's kidnapping ... it would seem irresponsible of TPTW (RL or show) to not provide a replacement for Kate. Not, of course, replacing her -- FH would never forgive me if I suggested otherwise -- but you know what I mean.

What trauma of losing Elizabeth?! No one, except John, seemed to care about losing her.

Judging from S4-5 being John's dark period, I'm inclined to say no. Then again, I doubt he would've talked to a shrink much, anyways.

I agree.

*sneezes*

If anyone wants to send me tissues, the fic bunnies would gladly accept that in lieu of carrots.

*sending lots of tissues* Hope you will feel better soon!

Yeah, he does have those problems with talking about his feelings. Just ask Teyla.

LOL

I knew I forgot to comment on something. It was about replacing Kate. The Legacy books do have a new psychologist, and she is suddenly John's BFF. Now how OOC is that? But from what I hear, the departure from canon in those books is epic.

Has anyone actually red all the legacy books,

Spoiler:

does Elizabeth returns there?

[Pearl of Atlantis76]

Look what I found on the Online Urban Dictionary;

5. Sparky
Nickname for the pairing (ship) John Sheppard/Elizabeth Weir in Stargate Atlantis.
suppously named after the sparks between them

'I wrote a Sparky fic'
'I made a Sparky icon'
'This episode was full of Sparky moments'

Sure it's wrong on how Sparky was named Sparky but it made me chuckle when I saw it.

Are you serious?!

I think somehow you missed my point because I said exactly what you are saying. I said that everyone should try writing fanfic. I said people sometimes don't give honest reviews because they are reluctant to hurt someone's feelings. And I complemented MentallyUnstableFox profusely for being brave to put her fic on the thread and for being a good writer. What did I say that you disagree with?

If you get a good review, with or without constructive criticism from someone that you know is a good writer, that should tell you your writing is also good. But, of course, anyone is welcome to review fics. I said that perhaps it is better if feedback is given in private, rather than on a public forum. Like the beta process, it works better not to do all the back and forth of editing in public. And of course it is acceptable to give your ideas to others. We do that here all the time. Everything goes in fanfic writing. There are no rules except to be polite, tactful and respectful.

That's why the red pen of doom only comes out in emails, never here. *waves to Eri*

You did? I could understand you complemented Mentally Unstable Fox, but i probably misunderstood you there, when you were actually encouraging people to write. I am not sure now, but i guess the fact you mentioned that first writers should ask for advice from beta and other writers first, made me understand that you were probably saying they shouldn't publish their fics before being reviewed by other betas or writers first.

[Sparky She-Demon]

One thing that I haven't figured out to do yet is the spoiler icons.

[Falcon Horus]

It was about replacing Kate. The Legacy books do have a new psychologist, and she is suddenly John's BFF. Now how OOC is that? But from what I hear, the departure from canon in those books is epic.

That's kind of weird, cause the thing is, I always considered John to be Kate's most difficult patient (next to Ronon I imagine). So, on that notion, I would dare to guess they weren't BFF's.

But i still think we should praise new writers like Mentally unstable fox for their courage in being able to post their fics in a place like this thread.

Yes, encouraging new writers to explore their ability to write is never a bad thing, but they shouldn't be afraid to go and ask for help. Even the best have beta's to help them with their stories.

Look at SGA-R -> in my opinion it has some of the best writers employed in the fandom (and I'm not saying this because I'm biased - it's the truth) but they still rely on the help of betas who check for spelling errors, grammatical errors, continuity, characterization, storytelling, fact checking...

By the way, may i ask what you think about those who only have ideas and aren't good at writing them, you think it is acceptable to give the ideas to other writers, or not really?

Plotbunnies are constantly given up for adoption. There's even a thread in the fanfic-section here where you can give bunnies away.

Oh, I try. I really do. But I fail. I hate commas. *hangs head*

Who needs commas anyway... oh wait, ... nevermind...

But I love her Red Pen of Doom (henceforth referred to the SRRPoD....

She should have a badge of honor.

Even if she likes to attack my power punctuation--the dash.

*dash-dash-dash-dash-dash*

There is a lot of Kate in Stargate Ren.

I know - read it.

If i find some fics with Kate, you will be the first one to know!

Good luck! However, chances are I either wrote it myself or I read it already. I'm not sure about the AO3-archive, but I've read them all on ff.net, and on the het-rec communities on LJ as well, the femslash communities too...

There's a good reason why I mentioned it - it's rare and it will only get worse.

What trauma of losing Elizabeth?! No one, except John, seemed to care about losing her.

Ronon went to visit her when she was out cold in Adrift. Teyla practically fell apart boxing up Elizabeth's things, where Ronon comes in and joins in the falling apart. Rodney ... he might not have shown it the way he was convinced he'd get Elizabeth's job.

So no, it wasn't just John...

Has anyone actually red all the legacy books,

Spoiler:

does Elizabeth returns there?

I thought about reading them until the totally out of control mindfrak with Kanaan and the Athosians, and Kanaan and Teyla... the way their relationship was handled pretty much turned me off. And some other stuff that shall remain unspoken...

As to your question...

Spoiler:

No, Elizabeth doesn't return. To the author's who claim their books are canon (which they are so not) Elizabeth's dead.

I am not sure now, but i guess the fact you mentioned that first writers should ask for advice from beta and other writers first, made me understand that you were probably saying they shouldn't publish their fics before being reviewed by other betas or writers first.

Exactly.

[Sparky She-Demon]

The next stuff I come up with for my next TWGO chapter, I will post it under the spoilers. I appreciate all the help I can get!

[Falcon Horus]

The next stuff I come up with for my next TWGO chapter, I will post it under the spoilers. I appreciate all the help I can get!

If you want other people's input - other people than here I mean - you could always visit the Fanfic Writers' Virtual Water Cooler thread. If you're looking for tips on everything, you can find them there as well.