Wraith Defenders Club

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hey did you all see this Todd sketch

http://community.livejournal.com/wra...ve/202508.html

*Thunk!* Thankies! *Drools*

I know that many of you do not frequent Joe Mallozzi's blog but he posted this today:

From the blog:

So you may want to stop by and ask a question. Robert Cooper is the man who is chiefly responsible for creating the Wraith and is probably the best one to answer questions.http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/

Thank you for posting the link, I'll keep an eye out for it.

A few new Todd pictures from Enemy At The Gate.

Spoiler:

MGM has these two up also, but I prefer the full size versions.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...GA520-0003.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/l...tg/eatg001.jpg

Thanks for posting these! Todd looks ill in the first one though. (Might just be me though).

Hey all!

Long time no see.

A lot has happened since I was last here, most noticeable the 200 more posts!
I don't think I'm gonna be able to go through them all. Anything interesting happen?

Hello! Well, we've talked about Vegas, nippless Wraith, tattoos. We've had Tyler (one of the actors who plays Wraith) pop in a few times.

This pic just slays me:

Spoiler:

Look at the expression on Shep's face -er, I guess that would be Flanigan's face, as this is behind-the-scenes. Put a couple of coffee cups next to these guys and they're havin a nice chat in some cafe...with a grip standing around with a boom mike. lol

mfw

It looks like they are having a staring contest!

[MCH]

Or maybe the kind of minds that are attracted to the Wraith also like metal and classical music?!?

Hi Risem, pleased to meet you!

re. Wraith anatomy diagram - the writers seem to forget from one ep to the next what Wraith are/are not meant to be able to do! It's like me writing a 16 chapter fan fic and after finishing chapter 16, not bothering to go back and fix the inconsistencies and plot holes in chapters 4, 7 and 10!

I'd say it's sloppy writing, but I'm assuming they don't sit down and write an entire season in one go, and that perhaps they are under time constraints and so on.

Yup it can be sloppy writing, but consider the way the scrips are written. 1st one of the writer put forward an idea, then one writes the 1st draft, then it back to the group for a criticism rethinking session, then few more drafts and the finished article will go MGM to check their happy finally the final draft is released to everyone. Then it's lights... action.... and the filming begins. Changes could still happen with imput from the director and the actors. So it not surprising that inconsistance happen....

Finally we have our imput on the finished epsiode, and lets the inquest begin......

MCH

[Wraith Cake]

I know that many of you do not frequent Joe Mallozzi's blog but he posted this today:

From the blog:

So you may want to stop by and ask a question. Robert Cooper is the man who is chiefly responsible for creating the Wraith and is probably the best one to answer questions.http://josephmallozzi.wordpress.com/

Well this is good. I will have an earful for him. I think we're all tired of how they are portrayed, but I will be conciliatory and hopefully be able to get some answers from him.

WK

[Laura Dove]

Oh well...I would like to be really excited about all of this, but in the end I'm a bit depressed, knowing that they are doomed in this show, no matter what

I know how you feel.

It's not just offensive to human creativity. There's backhanded ethnocentric undertones. Notice that "mythological" gods of "pagan" religion and non-European regions are actually all Goaulds who are the ones that aided human advancement in their regions through tyranny. While the Ancients left warnings about the Ori through Christian religion and English mythical figures (Merlin) are Ancients who guided, but all in all, didn't interfere. Ditto with the Asgards. So the English got their advancements duly from themselves.
Not a nice message. But one that comes up when the writers are think it's okay to turn other race's gods into aliens and are too afraid to do the same when it comes to Christian religion. And being unable to resist the temptation of glamorizing.

I guess I don't know SG-1 enough, but yeah, I noticed how pagan gods, and nothing out of the Christian religion, were portrayed as bad evil aliens.

Sad to say, but based on this season, I'm glad that they never delved much into Wraith culture or Wraith as individuals. Because I'm pretty sure whatever they come up with will be intended to put humans at odds with them and framing it so that the Wraith can be morally judged. *rollseyes*

As sad as it is, I'm afraid I have to agree. It's very frustrating to still know so little about wraith, their culture, their beliefs, their mentality, but on the other hand, I don't trust the writers to come up with satisfying answers either.

I watched "Common Ground" again a few days ago, and I felt sad and angry at how they spoilt everything they promised us with this episode. So much wasted potential...

Totally forgot about the Brad Wright Q&A on Joe M's blog. I just ran over there and read it. Well, read 3/4 of it. Too disgusted to finish it. That guy reminds me of a couple of ex-bosses of mine. UGH! He never ceases to piss me off, no matter what comes out of his mouth. He is like the sterotypical Hollywood producer/exec. Arrogant *$&%^.

LOL, yeah, I can't manage to read more than 1 or 2 answers at a time without being so angry I have to stop. This guy makes JM seem the kindest and sweetest guy ever.

The most disregarding is his non-answer to Das' question:

DasNdanger writes: "1. Do you view the Wraith as a valuable part of the franchise, worthy of continued growth and development, or do you see them only as disposable enemies, a mere plot device eventually to be tossed aside?"

BW: Ah... the series is over.

And I thought they were intending to make many movies!

"Most Wraith seek to be ruled. They fear being without a Queen."

Spoiler:

Spike was alone, and scared.

Good point! And from "Miller's Crossing", we know how hard it is for a wraith to lose his hive, even said wraith is as strong as Todd.

I said it somewhere else - maybe the Sanctuary forum - that sexual *tension* is great for a show but we didn't really even have that. Even if they had shown it amongst Chuck and Amelia or Loren and Cavanaugh *cough*...ok, sorry that was just mean. But seriously BSG had a nice balance for awhile...and then they got a bit carried away and it became a soap opera. But I think that's the main reason why that series is so much more popular than SGA. It gave non-sci-fi fans a reason to watch.

Honestly, the less sexual tension I get in my sci-fi shows, the better for me. It's not really that I'm a prude and it makes me feel uneasy, it's more like a disgust out of too much exposition to it. You can't walk in the street or take the subway without seeing ads on the walls everywhere with pretty half-naked top models; you can't sit in a park without having human wastes harass you and drool over you; you can't open your email without tons of bloody spams about viagra and penis enlargement. A woman is more than a frigging blow doll, @#^$*&!! At least SGA, with its focus on action, adventure and friendship instead of female body parts, gives me a much welcome break.

Spoiler:

He was cornered. He lashed out and ran. And, yeah...it would be dangerous to speak in his own voice. Actually, we don't even know if he could speak English. Maybe he couldn't - maybe he just 'did', and never spoke. Lay down his money, take the chips, gesture for another card - a lot can be done without speaking. Now - obviously - he could understand English (I would think), but we still don't know if he could speak it, or speak it clearly.

It was my first idea, but

Spoiler:

poet Todd could speak English perfectly, so I'd say Spike should have been able too. But he still would have had a wraith voice, which would probably have raised much suspicion.

This is one big gripe I have about the show. Never really brought it up because I didn't get into the show until S4, and then it was too late to whine...but the whole language thing annoys me. I would love to hear the Wraith language, and would love a scene where there is Wraith and human who can neither understand the other, but - for survival's sake - need to communicate with and help one another (not unlike TNG's Darmok ep, but certainly NOT the same...no copycats). But it won't happen now.

I don't know... On a hand, I agree it's illogical everybody in the Pegasus galaxy speaks English, but on the other hand, I think it wouldn't make a good 45 minutes episode to spend all time trying to communicate.

posted this in the Honor thread, thought ya'll might enjoy him. He was inspired by one of T64's charaters.

Lovely... He reminds me of Kenny, or another Tyler wraith.

Question about vegas

Spoiler:

So...... the die in the desert, it that referring to spike or shep or both. And in this delirious state he is in do you think it is possible that he was seeing the future? Their brains are obviously developed differently than humans if they can use telepathy, so why not see the future when in a "abnormal" state.

Your hypothesis may be, plus an other one at the same time:

Spoiler:

"Hunger burns like a fire": Todd himself was starving, therefore "burning to death in the desert". But even if one is true, it doesn't necessarily exclude the others. My first interpretation when I watched the episode was hunger, then, upon second watching, the link with Spike. "I know the future, come inside, I'll show you your destiny" may be a reference to Sheppard growing old and dieing if Todd feeds on him, or a reference to Sheppard's death to come. I love this dialogue because it has so many levels of reading.

[Shanthaia]

I guess I don't know SG-1 enough, but yeah, I noticed how pagan gods, and nothing out of the Christian religion, were portrayed as bad evil aliens.

This is not striktly true. There was at least one episode that dealt with that.

Spoiler:

A goauld in an unas body pretended to be the devil and asked to for sacrifices - the argument was that the christain god is one of love and caring and threfore is not sutable to be a god impersonated by a goauld. However, I have to admit that I do not know the pagan gods well enough to judge how suitable they are.

[Laura Dove]

This is not striktly true. There was at least one episode that dealt with that.

Spoiler:

A goauld in an unas body pretended to be the devil and asked to for sacrifices - the argument was that the christain god is one of love and caring and threfore is not sutable to be a god impersonated by a goauld. However, I have to admit that I do not know the pagan gods well enough to judge how suitable they are.

Thanks for the info. The Old Testament doesn't portray a very kind God, though, and most Christians I know IRL tend to focus on the New Testament and take the Old Testament more as a piece of history. But you could still imagine a fake angel or saint who's an alien instead.

[Wraith Cake]

Yes you're right. It was cardboard like. Sheppard suppose to be strong and resilient person. The one who would not, likely, ended up as a looser.
I'm, sometimes, getting really frustrated with those writers. (The more I think about the show.) It seems to me that they simply do not wish even to use their own brain.
If Sheppard is suppose to have same personality in both realities, then he would never, ever ended up as that looser.

I liked the episode too. I loved the scenes with Spike, and if the authors did plan to show some more "humanity" within the Wraith, they succeeded (there might be director involved in that too, not only writers...). I loved the music they connected with the Wraith, and finally they indicated that the Wraith has an ART! Those tatoos, the poetry, there is an art there. I loved that.

For me, I've always had the impression the shows are too short for the intended story. As a writer yourself, is it not the case that stories take on a personality of their own? Some are longer because that story needs to be told in a longer fashion. Some are shorter, because this is how they unfold. Some lend themselves best to a script, others to a novel etc.

So, when I look at an episode such as Vegas I see fragmented pieces of information, such as parachuting the motives behind John's inanity into the plot, or Keller doing an autopsy in the dark--don't you usually need to have a GREAT DEAL of light for an autopsy? Perhaps we would know why she is nodding so often and performing an autopsy in the dark, if the show had more time to explain.

Finally, that bit about the wraith sitting in his trailer thinking on the initial battle with Earth--why did they insert that piece? I think there is a clear reason, but I'm not clearly sure what that reason is.
He's sitting, leaning forward with half the prosthetic hanging down. Is it to imply "he really is a wraith, and wishes he could come clean--"step out of the closet?" Does it imply he is sick of Earth? Does it imply that he is getting sicker from the radiation, or that he wants to get the information about Earth to another hive. I really don't know what they were trying to say about this guy --maybe morning sickness, who knows? I'm glad they inserted that piece, but again I truly think the show needed to be longer to clearly explain, or hint or imply what they were trying to do.
Finally, I think that many of their episodes need to have an overall story arch for the entire show to work, and not present so many inconsistencies. Babylon Five, for instance, had a five year story arch and it was immensely successful because of it. Therefore, when it comes to having to stick to a time limit, this is already factored into the telling of the story before hand.

For the most part, the writers are shooting from the hip with each episode and/or season. This has been directly implied, and it is obvious in the writing. Many of us here deal with the written word as a hobby or for a living and the one thing I think we can all attest to, is that once words are committed to a page, the work cannot lie. In other words, it always reveals its own discrepancies. This is especially true when words are committed to sound and paper. I often say this to my students when I warn about plagiarism--I can hear your voice in your writing. When I cannot hear your distinct style in your writing I get curious. The last thing you want, as student, is for your teacher to get "curious" about your work. This also applies to reporters getting curious--no one wants that.

I also think this is why so many of us are frustrated with the lack of continuity in the story line.


WK

[Wraith Cake]

I doubt it!

But I asked a bunch anyway.

It probably wouldn't hurt if some of us asked the same question[s], then he'd know more than just one lunatic wants to know...

I asked about Wraith design, the nipple thing, the connection between AU Todd and the other Wraith, tattoos, extra nostrils, AND...finger armor.

If he gives a serious answer for two or three of those, I will be pleased. If he answers them all, I will kiss him, full on the lips!


das

Nipplage is a super important topic!!
Perhaps if we phrased it in such away that we were talkin' about female wraith boobage too, they would be a little quicker to answer! Meh!


WK

[Wraith Cake]

Yeah, true. I agree with you. Just I discussed somewhere about that and some of the participants said that predators cannot have an art. I did disagree with that opinion, but without the firm backing up from the Show I could not made decent contra-argument. Now I have it!

The clothing, the hair, the tattoos indicated to me too that there is artistic background there. And even that the art tendencies are more spread than in our culture. I mean, we cannot find an officers in our, humans armies that wear any personal decoration....(Not to mention the majority of our, human, males....)

I completely agree, artistic expression absolutely takes the form of personal adornment. We get the word sparse form the ancient Spartans because they did not invest in their culture or art on any level, but they were still not an artless people.

BTW, which thread? And what a dumb### comment some of those posters made. I feel like I need to go over there and do some "sorting out" of that silly talk.

WK

PS -- We're predators--top of the food chain, because of our cunning as a species not because of our brawn. And we have loads of art, mostly crappy art, but art nonetheless. Predators not having an art--pschaw! silly, silly thinking.

[Wraith Cake]

There have been and still are plenty of human tribes (eg south american natives, maori, etc) who are prdominantly hunters and could therefore be considered "predators" - but, like Wraith, they decorate their bodies and braid their hair - this is the earliest form of art known to mankind.
We may be talking about Wraithkind here on this thread, but it's STILL art!

Hopefully I don't sound too in the dark, but I always assumed that this is what defined the human species--our predatory natures. I tend to think we are such successful predators that we are victims of our own success and we have had to learn to heal and help not just prey.

WK

[Wraith Cake]

Well this extremely thoughtful person agrees with WK if you are reasonable and don't strong arm those who dislike the Wraith then you should have a reasonable discussion.

Wraith where constructed by human writers so they bring their ideas of what they feel is right and wrong in society.

One of society many taboo's is cannibalism another taboo is killing another sentinel being. Wraith will feed off another Wraith, but to survive they need the right type of sentinel beings--- for them it's humans.

We the viewers apply our ideas of right and wrong to the Wraith. Some people see the Wraith as just plain nasty villains with no redeeming features. But sometimes an "extremely thoughtful" person can see both sides to a character and see the good, bad in a character. So looking realistically at the Wraith, the Ancients and finally the humans in Atlantis they are all as bad or as good as each other. All have good redeeming features and bad ass- features and attitude.

MCH

P.S.
WK, One thing I do notice is that if you look through this thread there are not many arguments that get out of hand here, but that what you get with extremely thoughtful people who like their Wraith.

Well completely, you're absolutely right. I think everyone who posts here regularly is extremely thoughtful. It is a good thing to have your values, point of view, perspective challenged. When what you believe is challenged, you either shout louder in your own mind to drown out the doubts (but this only works for so long), or you address them and you may possibly have to change your perspective, but not always. Often, when you take a realistic account of what you believe, your convictions deepen and you can answer people confidently, because there isn't a "criticism" others can volley at you that you haven't considered yourself.

When I think about it, I think power or the perceived lack there of that attracts people to other people/person. What I mean is, no one likes a bully, but especially a bully that does not offer up any vulnerabilities. Some ....

My husband keeps calling me from the living room to go watch the hockey game. I'll have to pick this up, when I can sneak away on a break *hee hee*!!

I'll be back

WK

[Sparrow_hawk]

For me, I've always had the impression the shows are too short for the intended story. As a writer yourself, is it not the case that stories take on a personality of their own? Some are longer because that story needs to be told in a longer fashion. Some are shorter, because this is how they unfold. Some lend themselves best to a script, others to a novel etc.

There are an awful lot of tantalizing unresolved issues in some of the stories. Vegas leaves out details about how the Wraith adapted to Earth, but I don't think that was really a defect. I like it when they leave some things to my imagination.

So, when I look at an episode such as Vegas I see fragmented pieces of information, such as parachuting the motives behind John's inanity into the plot, or Keller doing an autopsy in the dark--don't you usually need to have a GREAT DEAL of light for an autopsy? Perhaps we would know why she is nodding so often and performing an autopsy in the dark, if the show had more time to explain.

They clearly need better medical advisers on their consulting staff. The whole autopsy scene was just wrong (I'm a pathologist and I've done autopsies so I speak from experience). When she took her mask off to talk to Sheppard, chatted a while and put it back on her face with her contaminated gloves I just cringed. No doctor would ever do that. But, as I've said before, it's not a medical show, it's sci-fi. So I try to cut them a little slack.

Finally, that bit about the wraith sitting in his trailer thinking on the initial battle with Earth--why did they insert that piece? I think there is a clear reason, but I'm not clearly sure what that reason is.
He's sitting, leaning forward with half the prosthetic hanging down. Is it to imply "he really is a wraith, and wishes he could come clean--"step out of the closet?" Does it imply he is sick of Earth? Does it imply that he is getting sicker from the radiation, or that he wants to get the information about Earth to another hive. I really don't know what they were trying to say about this guy --maybe morning sickness, who knows? I'm glad they inserted that piece, but again I truly think the show needed to be longer to clearly explain, or hint or imply what they were trying to do.

I liked that scene. I think it gave some insight into the plight of the stranded Wraith. It showed us how he had ended up on Earth and that the Stargate forces had managed to destroy his hiveship and all of his fellow Wraith.

Finally, I think that many of their episodes need to have an overall story arc for the entire show to work, and not present so many inconsistencies. Babylon Five, for instance, had a five year story arc and it was immensely successful because of it. Therefore, when it comes to having to stick to a time limit, this is already factored into the telling of the story before hand.

I agree that the writing for SGA has been too fragmented to be really satisfactory. Maybe it is because they have so many different authors and each of them has a different style and different favorite characters that they like to feature in their particular stories, but whatever the reason it did lack an overall arc to hold the season together. At least in the last 2 seasons.

For the most part, the writers are shooting from the hip with each episode and/or season. This has been directly implied, and it is obvious in the writing. Many of us here deal with the written word as a hobby or for a living and the one thing I think we can all attest to, is that once words are committed to a page, the work cannot lie. In other words, it always reveals its own discrepancies. This is especially true when words are committed to sound and paper. I often say this to my students when I warn about plagiarism--I can hear your voice in your writing. When I cannot hear your distinct style in your writing I get curious. The last thing you want, as student, is for your teacher to get "curious" about your work. This also applies to reporters getting curious--no one wants that.

I also think this is why so many of us are frustrated with the lack of continuity in the story line.
WK

I agree. Once again, I think part of the problem is with the different writers each having their own agenda. Like you, I do enjoy a story arc that comes to a conclusion. However, I enjoy stories that leave me with some unresolved elements that I can continue to think about long after I have finished reading or viewing the tale.

[MCH]

Originally Posted by leksa
Yes you're right. It was cardboard like. Sheppard suppose to be strong and resilient person. The one who would not, likely, ended up as a looser.
I'm, sometimes, getting really frustrated with those writers. (The more I think about the show.) It seems to me that they simply do not wish even to use their own brain.
If Sheppard is suppose to have same personality in both realities, then he would never, ever ended up as that looser.

I liked the episode too. I loved the scenes with Spike, and if the authors did plan to show some more "humanity" within the Wraith, they succeeded (there might be director involved in that too, not only writers...). I loved the music they connected with the Wraith, and finally they indicated that the Wraith has an ART! Those tattoos, the poetry, there is an art there. I loved that.

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Spoiler for Vegas and for lenght of reply.
From WK

Spoiler:

For me, I've always had the impression the shows are too short for the intended story. As a writer yourself, is it not the case that stories take on a personality of their own? Some are longer because that story needs to be told in a longer fashion. Some are shorter, because this is how they unfold. Some lend themselves best to a script, others to a novel etc.

Words written or spoken have great power to tell a story, to giving information, to slander or to praise, to excite or to shame, to take you away from the reality of your life. To make you think and feel. When I write sometime I can make it short and that’s it. On other occasions the words run away from me….. Explanations become too wordy to long winded to the reader.

So, when I look at an episode such as Vegas I see fragmented pieces of information, such as parachuting the motives behind John's inanity into the plot, or Keller doing an autopsy in the dark--don't you usually need to have a GREAT DEAL of light for an autopsy? Perhaps we would know why she is nodding so often and performing an autopsy in the dark, if the show had more time to explain.

Lots of fragments of information which we all look at and examine according to our life experiences. Some pieces of information have more meaning to one person than to somebody else.

Finally, that bit about the wraith sitting in his trailer thinking on the initial battle with Earth--why did they insert that piece? I think there is a clear reason, but I'm not clearly sure what that reason is.
He's sitting, leaning forward with half the prosthetic hanging down. Is it to imply "he really is a wraith, and wishes he could come clean--"step out of the closet?" Does it imply he is sick of Earth? Does it imply that he is getting sicker from the radiation, or that he wants to get the information about Earth to another hive. I really don't know what they were trying to say about this guy --maybe morning sickness, who knows? I'm glad they inserted that piece, but again I truly think the show needed to be longer to clearly explain, or hint or imply what they were trying to do.

I wondered about this why on earth did they did they do this? CSI will on occasions gives you flashbacks of what happened before and why this event - a murder happened. So I got the impression that as this is a homage to CSI series showing the how, the why. Also maybe to show along with the transformation scene from Wraith to human, how successful in this epsiode a Wraith can be to live undetectived in human society if he was determined enough. Wanting to be back with your hive brothers is powerful motivation. Plus he was one sick Wraith with radiation sickness..

Finally, I think that many of their episodes need to have an overall story arch for the entire show to work, and not present so many inconsistencies. Babylon Five, for instance, had a five year story arch and it was immensely successful because of it. Therefore, when it comes to having to stick to a time limit, this is already factored into the telling of the story before hand.

Babylon Five is back on again, I’m enjoying it as much, as I did the first time around. An overall story arc is much better even the stand alone episodes usually added something to the overall story. While there was some inconsistencies to the story and characters I felt that the story arc kept the story on track and that the characters had been theought out a lot more carefully then some characters in SGA

For the most part, the writers are shooting from the hip with each episode and/or season. This has been directly implied, and it is obvious in the writing. Many of us here deal with the written word as a hobby or for a living and the one thing I think we can all attest to, is that once words are committed to a page, the work cannot lie. In other words, it always reveals its own discrepancies. This is especially true when words are committed to sound and paper. I often say this to my students when I warn about plagiarism--I can hear your voice in your writing. When I cannot hear your distinct style in your writing I get curious. The last thing you want, as student, is for your teacher to get "curious" about your work. This also applies to reporters getting curious--no one wants that.

Definitely the writers have been shooting from the hip, part of the problems is that different writers have their own style of story telling. One writer can write a character piece exploring a person’s motivation or a personal problem better that an all action shoot em up story with space battles ect. You can here a writer voice in the story.

I also think this is why so many of us are frustrated with the lack of continuity in the story line.
WK

The lack of continuity to me the only way I can explain it is to say I can hear the original writer voice in the story, but in the background I hear the whispers of other voices-the other writers, MGM, and the director and actors who have contributed what you see on the screen. As WK said “, when I look at an episode such as Vegas I see fragmented pieces of information”

Phew hope this make sense. Need my bed sweet wraithy dreams everyone.

MCH

PS looks like me and Sparrow hawk answers the same questions, but our own different ways

[Sparrow_hawk]

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Spoiler for Vegas and for length of reply.
From WK

Spoiler:

Words written or spoken have great power to tell a story, to giving information, to slander or to praise, to excite or to shame, to take you away from the reality of your life. To make you think and feel. When I write sometime I can make it short and that’s it. On other occasions the words run away from me….. Explanations become too wordy to long winded to the reader.



Lots of fragments of information which we all look at and examine according to our life experiences. Some pieces of information have more meaning to one person than to somebody else.



I wondered about this why on earth did they did they do this? CSI will on occasions gives you flashbacks of what happened before and why this event - a murder happened. So I got the impression that as this is a homage to CSI series showing the how, the why. Also maybe to show along with the transformation scene from Wraith to human, how successful in this epsiode a Wraith can be to live undetectived in human society if he was determined enough. Wanting to be back with your hive brothers is powerful motivation. Plus he was one sick Wraith with radiation sickness..




Babylon Five is back on again, I’m enjoying it as much, as I did the first time around. An overall story arc is much better even the stand alone episodes usually added something to the overall story. While there was some inconsistencies to the story and characters I felt that the story arc kept the story on track and that the characters had been theought out a lot more carefully then some characters in SGA



Definitely the writers have been shooting from the hip, part of the problems is that different writers have their own style of story telling. One writer can write a character piece exploring a person’s motivation or a personal problem better that an all action shoot em up story with space battles ect. You can here a writer voice in the story.



The lack of continuity to me the only way I can explain it is to say I can hear the original writer voice in the story, but in the background I hear the whispers of other voices-the other writers, MGM, and the director and actors who have contributed what you see on the screen. As WK said “, when I look at an episode such as Vegas I see fragmented pieces of information”

Phew hope this make sense. Need my bed sweet wraithy dreams everyone.

MCH

PS looks like me and Sparrow hawk answers the same questions, but our own different ways

And it looks like we had a lot of similar thoughts! Sleep well, MCH.

[Sparrow_hawk]

WK, you have a good point about how polite people are on this thread. I think we are pretty tolerant of differing points of view and that is one reason why I visit here regularly. I was trying to branch out a little and visit some other threads. Since I enjoyed Vegas so much, I thought I would stop by the Compliments and Praise thread -- and found that the current discussion was very negative. When I mentioned it, the people posting there made me feel like I was intruding on their private discussion. So I think I'll just stay here instead.