I tried posting from my phone earlier at work and it went bonkers on me ... So now I'm sneaking into Starbucks with my iced vanilla coffee. 
That happens to me a lot too. There was a story I had an idea for, and one of the chapters came to me very vividly in a dream, so I went ahead and wrote that one, but after I actually made up an outline for the story, it became the 2nd chapter. Sometimes, outlines are great, and then the fic bunnies return from hibernation and shoot it all to heck. 
Okay, cursing is not really a regular part of my vernacular just subtext of every minute of every day, but what the hell?!?! That blurb makes Elizabeth out to be a villain! I just ... gah.
I almost wonder if, for the first season, they wrote using the Voyager theory. Basically, we're the primary representatives of our agency/planet out here, with no contact with HQ, so let's frak things a little more than we would if we were stil under the careful eye of the IOA and the SGC. Ergo, we get grey insteado f black and white. I would imagine if the IOA had a hand in the whole "Suspicion" thing, they would've been all over them like white on rice and not even have given Elizabeth a chance to do anything before they sequestered her in her office.
But like I said. IMHO.
*sporks fic bunnies ... if I could find them*
The correct blurb would read, "Pressured by Bates, Weir reluctantly agrees to confine the Athosians." Again, why do I not work for these people? Oh yeah. Cause I'd be out of work right now. 
Well, even from what Halling said to Teyla, about the Expedition not being the Ancestors, no matter how much she wanted them to be, we know Teyla had high hopes. They put the Ancients, and by extension, anyone who had the resources to run Atlantis, up on a pedestal. John has the stinkin' gene needed to run Atlantis, for crying out loud! If this is an opportunity that Teyla has been holding out for since she was young, then it only makes sense that she would latch onto them. Even realizing that, 
they're not perfect, she would still feel torn between this ideal that she's been waiting on her whole life. It's tough to admit that you might be wrong about something you've wanted for so long.
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You're tellin' me! I'm using the caffeine, and free refills, to finish up my fic. Which I have a confession about ... I'm actually writing smut for the first time. And the sad thing is? It's rather easy! Give me a few minutes, and I'll have it posted ...
Originally posted by mandogater
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Originally posted by gateraid
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It's interesting (to me) to read the blurb for this ep.
When the Atlantis team is ambushed by the Wraith on an off-world trip, Dr. Weir begins to suspect that one of the Athosians is actually a Wraith spy. Despite the disapproval of Teyla and Sheppard, she confines the Athosians to the south side of Atlantis and interviews them. But when the interviews take on an accusatory tone, growing tensions cause a mass exodus of Athosians from the city.
This ep was intended (remember this is early s1, where Weir was meant to be the lone authority figure, and somewhat more clinical in her approach to things) as Weir vs Sheyla. Teyla and Sheppard should have been brought closer together after this ep, whether that was via his stoic defence of her and the Athosians throughout the ep, or via his comforting of her when they left. So, it failed on those counts, but at five eps in, the relationship misstep shouldn't have been fatal.
Teyla stayed because ultimately she believed in the cause. What a pity this wasn't elaborated on. Imagine the potential gold (relationship, or gen story) of a scene where Teyla tells Shep she doesn't know whether to go with the Athosians, and is torn between what she believes is best for her people and people in general (staying on Atlantis and killing the Wraith) or what is best for her 'position' (going with the Athosians and remaining their leader), with him telling her that that is basically the premise of their entire expediton (the betterment of mankind).
Bates was used as a relatively small sheyla anvil in this ep. It's not the size that counts, it's what you do with it. Not much, as it turned out. The "personal feelings" line is practically a red herring. Feelings over right and wrong (the treatment of Teyla by everyone else), or romantic feelings? You could argue either way here because it was never elaborated on. Bates was out of line (for his borderline bigoted behaviour, his disrespect to his CO, and his lack of contrition when it turned out he was wrong) in his behaviour, but he was right to be suspicious. Still, I appreciated that the writers had attempted to bring in a bit more conflict than they had seemed to be willing to do with SG-1. Here, it isn't a he's right/you're wrong situation, there's a bit more grey.
The Athosian culture seemed at that stage (what happened during s4??) to be based partly on spirituality, and reverence towards the Ancients. I guess it's understandable that they would be aghast when the member of the expedition didn't hold the Ancients, or their customs, in the same regard - even to the point of living in their city as if it were their own. How the Athosians must have laughed when the Ancients came back and booted them out of the city. Even that is another missed opportunity - the Athosians chiding Teyla over her decision to stay with the Terrans, whom the Ancients deemed unworthy to stay in the city upon their return.
I thought they were being deliberately vague as to the leadership of the Athosians after they left the city. For practical purposes, it would have been Halling. I guess Teyla would have just been a figurehead from that point onwards, or more like the Chairman of a corporation - involved in governance but not management. I don't think we were meant to think that deeply about it, we were just meant to accept that they'd gone and would come back sporadically (when the script deemed it neccessary). They never seemed to have a firm grasp of who the Athosians really were - be it culturally or otherwise. There was a scene in Hide & Seek that made me laugh. Teyla lights the candle from the other side of the room, and the VFX looks decidely like a phaser. Huh? How can you make an energy based tool with enough precision to shoot something as small as a wick, yet not think it might make a nifty 'gun'?
Any other comment I make (specifically the tone of the interviews, and the John/Elizabeth/Teyla dynamic) would risk being even more inaccurate than what I've mentioned above
When the Atlantis team is ambushed by the Wraith on an off-world trip, Dr. Weir begins to suspect that one of the Athosians is actually a Wraith spy. Despite the disapproval of Teyla and Sheppard, she confines the Athosians to the south side of Atlantis and interviews them. But when the interviews take on an accusatory tone, growing tensions cause a mass exodus of Athosians from the city.
This ep was intended (remember this is early s1, where Weir was meant to be the lone authority figure, and somewhat more clinical in her approach to things) as Weir vs Sheyla. Teyla and Sheppard should have been brought closer together after this ep, whether that was via his stoic defence of her and the Athosians throughout the ep, or via his comforting of her when they left. So, it failed on those counts, but at five eps in, the relationship misstep shouldn't have been fatal.
Teyla stayed because ultimately she believed in the cause. What a pity this wasn't elaborated on. Imagine the potential gold (relationship, or gen story) of a scene where Teyla tells Shep she doesn't know whether to go with the Athosians, and is torn between what she believes is best for her people and people in general (staying on Atlantis and killing the Wraith) or what is best for her 'position' (going with the Athosians and remaining their leader), with him telling her that that is basically the premise of their entire expediton (the betterment of mankind).
Bates was used as a relatively small sheyla anvil in this ep. It's not the size that counts, it's what you do with it. Not much, as it turned out. The "personal feelings" line is practically a red herring. Feelings over right and wrong (the treatment of Teyla by everyone else), or romantic feelings? You could argue either way here because it was never elaborated on. Bates was out of line (for his borderline bigoted behaviour, his disrespect to his CO, and his lack of contrition when it turned out he was wrong) in his behaviour, but he was right to be suspicious. Still, I appreciated that the writers had attempted to bring in a bit more conflict than they had seemed to be willing to do with SG-1. Here, it isn't a he's right/you're wrong situation, there's a bit more grey.
The Athosian culture seemed at that stage (what happened during s4??) to be based partly on spirituality, and reverence towards the Ancients. I guess it's understandable that they would be aghast when the member of the expedition didn't hold the Ancients, or their customs, in the same regard - even to the point of living in their city as if it were their own. How the Athosians must have laughed when the Ancients came back and booted them out of the city. Even that is another missed opportunity - the Athosians chiding Teyla over her decision to stay with the Terrans, whom the Ancients deemed unworthy to stay in the city upon their return.
I thought they were being deliberately vague as to the leadership of the Athosians after they left the city. For practical purposes, it would have been Halling. I guess Teyla would have just been a figurehead from that point onwards, or more like the Chairman of a corporation - involved in governance but not management. I don't think we were meant to think that deeply about it, we were just meant to accept that they'd gone and would come back sporadically (when the script deemed it neccessary). They never seemed to have a firm grasp of who the Athosians really were - be it culturally or otherwise. There was a scene in Hide & Seek that made me laugh. Teyla lights the candle from the other side of the room, and the VFX looks decidely like a phaser. Huh? How can you make an energy based tool with enough precision to shoot something as small as a wick, yet not think it might make a nifty 'gun'?
Any other comment I make (specifically the tone of the interviews, and the John/Elizabeth/Teyla dynamic) would risk being even more inaccurate than what I've mentioned above
I almost wonder if, for the first season, they wrote using the Voyager theory. Basically, we're the primary representatives of our agency/planet out here, with no contact with HQ, so let's frak things a little more than we would if we were stil under the careful eye of the IOA and the SGC. Ergo, we get grey insteado f black and white. I would imagine if the IOA had a hand in the whole "Suspicion" thing, they would've been all over them like white on rice and not even have given Elizabeth a chance to do anything before they sequestered her in her office.
But like I said. IMHO.
Originally posted by Scary Kitty
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Good morning, Sparkies! Happy Fluffy Thursday! 
On the fic front, the muses have abandoned me again. Argh.
On the fic front, the muses have abandoned me again. Argh.
Curious. Where did this this blurb come from? I didn't look too closely at the summary on the Blu-ray, but I'm pretty sure the inaccurate "disapproval of Teyla and Sheppard" part isn't there. Looks like someone at MGM was paying attention when they made up the new disc menus.
At least we finally started covering those issues in Atlantis Rising. Better late than never, right?
At least we finally started covering those issues in Atlantis Rising. Better late than never, right?
I vaguely recalled there was a bit of a throwaway line about that in The Return Part 1, so I dug around in the transcript and found it in the scene where Teyla and Ronon check on Sheppard while he's packing to leave:
SHEPPARD: How’s that going, by the way? Are the Ancients allowing the Athosians to stay on the mainland?
TEYLA (smiling ruefully): They have found a suitable planet for us to relocate to -- one with our own Stargate.
SHEPPARD: How’d that go down?
TEYLA: It was not the homecoming of the Ancestors my people envisioned.
Ouch. Sounds like there's some hard feelings to be had on that score.
SHEPPARD: How’s that going, by the way? Are the Ancients allowing the Athosians to stay on the mainland?
TEYLA (smiling ruefully): They have found a suitable planet for us to relocate to -- one with our own Stargate.
SHEPPARD: How’d that go down?
TEYLA: It was not the homecoming of the Ancestors my people envisioned.
Ouch. Sounds like there's some hard feelings to be had on that score.
they're not perfect, she would still feel torn between this ideal that she's been waiting on her whole life. It's tough to admit that you might be wrong about something you've wanted for so long.[/rant]
Mmmm, coffee. 
You're tellin' me! I'm using the caffeine, and free refills, to finish up my fic. Which I have a confession about ... I'm actually writing smut for the first time. And the sad thing is? It's rather easy! Give me a few minutes, and I'll have it posted ...
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Did you not say it is played on ice, O'Neill?
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