Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Falcon Horus]

Hmm, I wonder if we need to come up with a list of SGA/Sparky rules, like Gibbs' rules on NCIS?

Would we have to memorize them?

Bless me for I have sinned against the Sparky commandments... I confess to:

1) Thou shall respect the Sparky and know its the most epic pairing in SGA

Breaking commandment number 1 by declaring Kate/Teyla is the most epic pairing in SGA.

4) Thou shall love Elizabeth Weir

Breaking commandment number 4 by declaring my love for Kate Heightmeyer.

5) Thou Shall Worship John Sheppard's Unruly hair

Breaking commendment number 5 by worshipping at the feet (as a Lemming I'm really not that much higher than somewhere around the ankles) of my owner Kate.

6) Thou Shall go to Chipolte at least once a month.

Breaking commendment number 6 but this one is beyond my power - there's no such thing on our end of the planet.

7) Thou Shall know that the Storage and the Balcony are the sacred place of Sparky

Breaking commendment number 7 by locking Kate and Teyla up in closets and having them make out on the sacred Sparky balcony.

Looks like I'm going to burn in Sparky hell...

[TheLadyMore]

Wrong set of rules to model on. We're talking NCIS, not the Bible.

Hey at least I tried? Speaking of NCIS is it safe to say Elizabeth's eyebrow of doom is the Gibbs Slap of SGA?

Breaking commendment number 7 by locking Kate and Teyla up in closets and having them make out on the sacred Sparky balcony.

Looks like I'm going to burn in Sparky hell...

BLASPHEMY!!! JK

We love you too much to burn in Sparky hell! I'll make sure you don't go there.

[JT-2]

Wrong set of rules to model on. We're talking NCIS, not the Bible.

There will be no "can't date your co-workers" rule!

[Falcon Horus]

Wrong set of rules to model on. We're talking NCIS, not the Bible.

So more like guidelines than actual rules...

There will be no "can't date your co-workers" rule!

That would be problematic in the case of Sparky - out with it.

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

Rule Number 1: Never get fed on a hungry wraith that is being held captive by a genii commander?

[Falcon Horus]

Rule Number 1: Never get fed on a hungry wraith that is being held captive by a genii commander?

Good first rule.

[TheLadyMore]

Rule Number 1: Never get fed on a hungry wraith that is being held captive by a genii commander?

I dont think Shep had any say in the matter if you know what I mean....

[Scary Kitty]

So more like guidelines than actual rules...

Parlay?

Hey at least I tried? Speaking of NCIS is it safe to say Elizabeth's eyebrow of doom is the Gibbs Slap of SGA?

I'd say so. Though I do think John has done a Gibbs head slap on Rodney at least once.

There will be no "can't date your co-workers" rule!

And it's all the easier since Elizabeth isn't even the boss on Atlantis anymore.

[JT-2]

And it's all the easier since Elizabeth isn't even the boss on Atlantis anymore.

Yes, but they will be co-workers. Eventually.

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

Parlay?



I'd say so. Though I do think John has done a Gibbs head slap on Rodney at least once.

i know he gibbs slapped rodney in instinct but i'm sure he did it one more time in season two.

[JT-2]

i know he gibbs slapped rodney in instinct but i'm sure he did it one more time in season two.

He did it in Return 2 also.

[TheLadyMore]

Yes, but they will be co-workers. Eventually.

Screw the rules this is science fiction not some crazed monstrosity like Glee

[Anuna]

Screw the rules this is science fiction not some crazed monstrosity like Glee

Well I beg to disagree - Glee isn't crazed monstrosity, but a very good show. Some of us watch it and enjoy it. Some of us like to see people singing, others like different stuff.

[Anuna]

I don't think you're being too specific at all. I think, for maybe the first time, someone has put it all in perspective. Amazing that after all these years, we can still find new ways of looking at this ship.

I do think it was an Epiphany for John. He finally got past his abandonment issues and knew, as illustrated in CG, that his friends would never forget him. He took that out on her in Epiphany because he thought she was the last one who would leave him behind. And in CG, he knew he would have to use his command authority in that situation to order her to not meet Kolya's demands. Now that is two people who get each other.

I don't see them as ever having sat down and spelled all this out either. From the progression you presented above, it was clear that it came about through experience and working close together every day. Too bad we never got the "off the clock" conversations that would explain all this for those who didn't notice it, but I'm not sure how anyone could still deny they are at the very least very close friends. You know what a canon fanatic I am. I can't delude myself into thinking anything happened off camera or in subtext that spells all this out. That's what fanfic is for.

It just all makes me wonder again about TPTB. If they were not writing this ship, they had a funny way of showing it. It reminds me of shows like Castle and Bones, where the ship of choice is just so very very clear. How could anyone doubt it?

And you know what else, after the Marseilles con, the whole fandom will see that Joe/Torri chemistry and wish we could go back and do it right. Oh wait....there's SGARising. \o/

Wow - I love this. And I read all this yesterday but my head hurt too much to respond properly to this wonderful insight.

I can't but agree with you here and i have to wonder is this some kind of miracle. Because it feels too much like continuity, and good writing and yes, in fact, ship - while PTB were swearing left and right they weren't writing it. Maybe this is just Universe being on our side? let me laugh in honor to that because we deserve it.

The thing is, within incredibily episodic SGA we had John and Elizabeth and a continuous progression of their relationship - in the beginning he seemed like he tried to oppose her more than it was strictly necessary, and she was patiently teaching him that they were on the same side, until, by the end of S1 John accepted that and in Siege we saw that he was "behind" her 100%. This change happened somewhere between Hot Zone and Siege. My own theory is that he realized she was giving him another chance even afterw hat he did in HZ - any of his previosu commanders would have demoted him to toilet cleaning function after that. However Elizabeth didn't, and after season 1 we know she fought for John remaining in position of military commander - and John realized this too.

I think I'm going to rewatch Epiphany - won't be a hard task after all. I love the episode. I think John has gotten over part of his issues and embarced Atlantis and people who were/are close to him on Atlantis as his chosen family. I think taht's when it settled in his head that he found a home where he belonged. He was at his best through rest of S2 and S3. After Carson died and after they all/he lost Elizabeth his balance shifted again, and that's something he could regain through SGA Rising season. (and it's a big pressure because "Gravity" should be a crucial episode for him, regaining this balance. oooh.)

[Anuna]

The Ten Commandments of Sparky


2) Thous Shall know Acastus Kolya is not only the biggest Sheppard Whumper, but the biggest Sparky Shipper

LOL I think Rodney is far better Sparky shipper. Kolya may be good for ship on general terms, but let's not forget he is a) a bad guy, b) a sociopat, and c) there's nothing redeeming or good about him. He's cruel, ruthless and doesn't hesitate inflicting serious pain and harm to people in order to assure his interests are met - in fact I think a "terrorist" would be a good definition of him and his actions. Let's not romanticize his role much. I admire Robert Daavi and his amazing acting skills, I do. I think Kolya is far best bad guy in SGA, but he's a bad guy. Let's not forget that.