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Originally posted by Eri13 View PostAs far as what I have to do--I've been on vacation and hiatus and allergy inspired headache recovery for the last few days--what all is it I have to tweak?
Spoiler:Just make a mention of the Lucian alliance attack on the Pentagon and that their attack on Atlantis is not the first time they've tried something sneaky, and then mention McKay and Woolsey helping out with the Destiny?
Sorry for my lack of adeptness.
As for tweaks, yeah, what you've stated pretty much sums it up.Spoiler:I might make the Lucian Alliance attacks on the Pentagon and Atlantis near simultaneous; in a way, I see the situation being very sudden and people not knowing what's going on, rather like what happened in the early hours on 9/11. Say, the attack on the Pentagon happens first, and with communications with them cut off (since they're all trying to evacuate), Atlantis gets a message from Stargate Command at Cheyenne Mountain (in addition to still having the gate there for security reasons, they'd probably serve as a backup if anything happened in Washington) that ZOMG, the LA is attacking! Then before Atlantis really has much of a chance to do anything in response, Atlantis gets hit. Like I said, very sudden.
As for McKay and Woolsey, like I suggested earlier, their involvement with the events of "Seizure" could take place while repairs from the LA attack on Atlantis are still going on. It'd be a week to possibly two weeks at the most between the end of "Alliances" and the beginning of "Seizure," so it'd be easy to assume repairs could still be happening.
If anyone's got any more questions, send 'em my way, I'm happy to help.(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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Originally posted by Scary Kitty View PostOw, allergy-inspired headaches are not fun. Blasted sinuses. *sends aspirin*
As for tweaks, yeah, what you've stated pretty much sums it up.Spoiler:I might make the Lucian Alliance attacks on the Pentagon and Atlantis near simultaneous; in a way, I see the situation being very sudden and people not knowing what's going on, rather like what happened in the early hours on 9/11. Say, the attack on the Pentagon happens first, and with communications with them cut off (since they're all trying to evacuate), Atlantis gets a message from Stargate Command at Cheyenne Mountain (in addition to still having the gate there for security reasons, they'd probably serve as a backup if anything happened in Washington) that ZOMG, the LA is attacking! Then before Atlantis really has much of a chance to do anything in response, Atlantis gets hit. Like I said, very sudden.
As for McKay and Woolsey, like I suggested earlier, their involvement with the events of "Seizure" could take place while repairs from the LA attack on Atlantis are still going on. It'd be a week to possibly two weeks at the most between the end of "Alliances" and the beginning of "Seizure," so it'd be easy to assume repairs could still be happening.
If anyone's got any more questions, send 'em my way, I'm happy to help.
Spoiler:We're using the Atlantis gate as primary--have we seen the Cheyenne mountain gate used in SGU, or are we okay to break that part of canon? Or should we shut Atlantis down and have everyone on Earth beamed/flown there?Visit SGArising.com to read our virtual continuation of the Atlantis series!
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Originally posted by Eri13 View PostCoolio. BTW...
Spoiler:We're using the Atlantis gate as primary--have we seen the Cheyenne mountain gate used in SGU, or are we okay to break that part of canon? Or should we shut Atlantis down and have everyone on Earth beamed/flown there?Spoiler:We have not seen the Cheyenne Mountain gate in SGU, and it was established in SGA that a Pegasus gate overrides a Milky Way gate if they're in close proximity. (something to do with the fact that the Pegasus gates are a more advanced version) So we can stay on course with the Atlantis gate as Earth's primary.(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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Originally posted by Scary Kitty View PostHmm, good point.Spoiler:We have not seen the Cheyenne Mountain gate in SGU, and it was established in SGA that a Pegasus gate overrides a Milky Way gate if they're in close proximity. (something to do with the fact that the Pegasus gates are a more advanced version) So we can stay on course with the Atlantis gate as Earth's primary.Visit SGArising.com to read our virtual continuation of the Atlantis series!
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Wow the house still smells. Anyway.....
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostI just saw it and friended you back. LJ has been very slow to load today, naturally.
Sorry about the mom situation. I went through the same thing a few years ago. ((hugs))
Originally posted by Scary Kitty View Post*hugs JT-2* Sorry to hear about your mom. I understand what that's like; we went through the same thing with my maternal grandmother several years ago. There's really no easy answer to any of it. *more hugs*
Originally posted by gateraid View PostI've only read one, I think. It was (sort of) a fix-it fic, set in s1. Teyla and John had gotten together, which had isolated Weir from the rest of the expedition because she didn't have John to talk to (JG would've had a field day reading that). I liked them as a pairing on the show, and wouldn't have objected to them getting together, but I didn't ship them. I do remember thinking during their scenes together that Teyla and Ford seemed younger (not immature, just more youthful) compared to when Sheppard was there.
Originally posted by gateraid View PostSpoiler:Sorry to hear about that. My grandma has dimentia, but it's the funny kind. You can have the same convo with her multiple times - it can get amusing when you forget that she doesn't know the end and jump ahead. She comes and goes with it though - on occassion it isn't noticable. She's not competent enough to care for herself, so is in a home (it's near to family, so she probably gets more visitors than she did before).
You're doing a good thing by looking after her - hopefully tomorrow will be better (((hugs)))Spoiler:Thanks for the hugs. My mom's can be funny most of the time, like asking questions completely out of left field ("is my father still alive?" "well, mom, he'd be 120 if he were, so that's a no")
Originally posted by Rosemary Weir22 View Post@ JT-2.. HEY! What about me?!
And thanks folks! Still trying to get used to the forum and everything!
Hi!
Originally posted by gateraid View PostI guess now should be the time that a certain fandom should start eating crow regarding comments made about a certain other character being too old for John.
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Originally posted by JT-2 View PostWow the house still smells. Anyway.....
Hey I'm still not seeing you listed as a friend. I'm dying to read that report. And thanks for the ((hugs)). I like hugs about as much as John does, but virtual ones are nice.
Thanks
That's the fic I was thinking about yesterday. I found it. It's written by Jo R. It's called Rainbows.
Spoiler:Thanks for the hugs. My mom's can be funny most of the time, like asking questions completely out of left field ("is my father still alive?" "well, mom, he'd be 120 if he were, so that's a no")
Huh? Sorry, I was a tad befuddled yesterday.
Hi!
*snorts*!!
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Originally posted by Eri13 View PostAwesomesauce--just occurred to me that they might have brought it up in SGU, so if they haven't then the PG-trumps-MW remains good and we're good. Thanks.
Originally posted by TheLadyMore View PostThe Kitty has uncovered the origin on why WEIRd is John Sheppard's favorite word(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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Originally posted by Eri13 View PostHello all...
I thought it was established in Hide and Seek that Jinto was Halling's son? Or was it never explicitly stated?
MMkay, I'm going to read SR's journal right now.
As far as what I have to do--I've been on vacation and hiatus and allergy inspired headache recovery for the last few days--what all is it I have to tweak?
Spoiler:Just make a mention of the Lucian alliance attack on the Pentagon and that their attack on Atlantis is not the first time they've tried something sneaky, and then mention McKay and Woolsey helping out with the Destiny?
Sorry for my lack of adeptness.Originally posted by Southern Red View PostIt was made clear first in The Rising and later in H&S that Jinto is Halling's son. That, in my mind, made the Athosians a traditional society. Maybe everyone helps raise the kids, but the family units are intact. I think they just dropped him in Kindred which doesn't surprise me with these writers. Maybe he was "there" but not obvious, like Kanaan all of Teyla's life. LOL Just because we don't see a character, doesn't mean they are not there.But he's just a boy! I am Jinto!Cool. It was such a popular idea in fandom that it was really starting to bug me.
Halling made the Athosians seem religious/spiritual in my mind. He was the one that kept bringing up the prayers and rituals back in s1. Sometimes Teyla did too, but we didn't see it as much because she wasaway being rescued by Johnon missions at the time.
It was a pity that they dumped the Athosians so early, as it would've made Kanaan much easier to accept as having been there all along if we'd at least seen him in the background over the years.
Originally posted by Scary Kitty View PostGood morning, Sparkies! Happy Smutty Tuesday!
Quick correction on last night's SGU report (which I've added to my main post, but I'll restate here): There was a very obvious timeline check that totally slipped past me in the excitement.Spoiler:Greer had donated a kidney to Volker in the previous episode, and in "Seizure," we see that Greer is still recovering from the surgery (and pushing himself too hard). So at most, it's probably been perhaps a couple of days since "Hope," and a little over a week since "Alliances." Gah, my bad.
Now, on to new stuff!
*snorts*
Spoiler:Definitely agree that the LA seems to have been better fleshed out in SGU. Frankly, there are a few details about SGU that I do like. They finally have proper name tapes and rank insignia on the military uniforms, ZOMG, they're wearing dog tags regularly, and just some of the little bits of everyday life, like Young darning a hole in his socks, we get to see the cook working in the mess! and even Rush clipping his beard last night. Hey, the devil is in the details.
As far as the Eli thing went, well, Young has gotten to know Eli well and knows what he's capable of. I guess it was supposed to be just another example of how people just want their own people to check things out first before they agree to do something.
Poor Jonas.Spoiler:Yay, sock darning! I can see why the ratings for Universe have been so fantastic
Re Eli, I guess it's just a conceit of tv that you want your own people to look stuff over as a way to incorporate them into the story.
Re Jonas, I wonder what show Corin was talking about during that con a while back? Unless it was fan misinterpretation rearing it's head again.
See, that was my hope all along, that all we'd really need to do is make a few minor alterations to our timeline for Atlantis Rising to work it around SGU. Looks like TPTW decided to be gracious and give us our wish. I'd almost suggest sending them a fruit basket, but they've basically shut down at the studio, so I don't think there'd be anyone there to receive the delivery.
Originally posted by Scary Kitty View PostHmm, good point.Spoiler:We have not seen the Cheyenne Mountain gate in SGU, and it was established in SGA that a Pegasus gate overrides a Milky Way gate if they're in close proximity. (something to do with the fact that the Pegasus gates are a more advanced version) So we can stay on course with the Atlantis gate as Earth's primary.Spoiler:So the SGC gate is still at Cheyenne Mountain? Cool. Presumably if they wanted to keep running operations from there all they would have to do is cut power to the Atlantis gate, then call them if it needed to be reactivated. But only if they wanted to.
Originally posted by JT-2 View PostWow the house still smells. Anyway.....
Hey I'm still not seeing you listed as a friend. I'm dying to read that report. And thanks for the ((hugs)). I like hugs about as much as John does, but virtual ones are nice.
Thanks
That's the fic I was thinking about yesterday. I found it. It's written by Jo R. It's called Rainbows.
Spoiler:Thanks for the hugs. My mom's can be funny most of the time, like asking questions completely out of left field ("is my father still alive?" "well, mom, he'd be 120 if he were, so that's a no")
Huh? Sorry, I was a tad befuddled yesterday.
Hi!
*snorts*!!Spoiler:I find that's the hardest thing, when she asks about dead people.I couldn't imagine living with someone in that condition full time, you deserve a medal
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostLJ was being a real butthead yesterday. I went back and added you again. Try it now. Anyone else who got left out, let me know.sigpic
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Originally posted by gateraid View PostBut he's just a boy! I am Jinto!Cool. It was such a popular idea in fandom that it was really starting to bug me.
Halling made the Athosians seem religious/spiritual in my mind. He was the one that kept bringing up the prayers and rituals back in s1. Sometimes Teyla did too, but we didn't see it as much because she wasaway being rescued by Johnon missions at the time.
It was a pity that they dumped the Athosians so early, as it would've made Kanaan much easier to accept as having been there all along if we'd at least seen him in the background over the years.
Spoiler:
And here's one of the publicity still of PS as Kanaan in "The Kindred, Part 1" (it's REALLY big)
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Originally posted by gateraid View PostSpoiler:Yay, sock darning! I can see why the ratings for Universe have been so fantastic
Re Eli, I guess it's just a conceit of tv that you want your own people to look stuff over as a way to incorporate them into the story.
Re Jonas, I wonder what show Corin was talking about during that con a while back? Unless it was fan misinterpretation rearing it's head again.
Originally posted by gateraid View PostSpoiler:So the SGC gate is still at Cheyenne Mountain? Cool. Presumably if they wanted to keep running operations from there all they would have to do is cut power to the Atlantis gate, then call them if it needed to be reactivated. But only if they wanted to.(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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Originally posted by Rosemary Weir22 View PostThat's always true! They could always remove the gate crystals from the DHD and puddlejumpers. Mind the Earth gate address would still be different to the Atlantis gate address anyway.(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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Originally posted by gateraid View PostSpoiler:I find that's the hardest thing, when she asks about dead people.I couldn't imagine living with someone in that condition full time, you deserve a medal
So, question for the SGARising staff. I'm thinking I need to do a S4/S5 rewatch in preparation for this as I only have vague memories of most of those seasons. What episodes should I watch, or conversely, what episodes can I skipTrio & Brainstorm for the love of all things holy?
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Originally posted by JT-2 View PostOr a lobotomy....
So, question for the SGARising staff. I'm thinking I need to do a S4/S5 rewatch in preparation for this as I only have vague memories of most of those seasons. What episodes should I watch, or conversely, what episodes can I skipTrio & Brainstorm for the love of all things holy?
So, for Season 4:
Adrift
Lifeline
Reunion
- might want to add Travelers so you know who they are
Missing
- possibly The Seer
This Mortal Coil
Be All My Sins Remember'd
Spoils of War
- possibly Outcast for new background on John
Midway
The Kindred, Parts 1 & 2
The Last Man
And Season 5:
Search and Rescue
Ghost in the Machine
The Queen
- possibly First Contact and The Lost Tribe
Outsiders
Inquisition
The Prodigal
Remnants (for the Sheppard storyline if nothing else. KOLYA!)
Infection
Vegas (it's AU, but hey, it's a Sheppard fest!)
Enemy at the Gate
SR, Eri, do either of you have any additional suggestions?(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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