Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Luz]

After my third and final failed attempt at giving seasons 4 and 5 a try, I've decided to stop trying. I just can't, without Lizzie it feels so wrong.

The last episode I watched properly was Lifeline. So I'm stopping there and then I have this wonderful fix-it fic (eta: the fic is not mine). It's the perfect plan.

In spite of what Adrift and Lifeline represent I found myself loving the episodes. They're tense and full of angst, I just wish for a different end result. Lifeline's ending breaks my shipper heart every time, poor John.

[Falcon Horus]

At least, Kate's alive in your world.

[Sparky She-Demon]

In spite of what Adrift and Lifeline represent I found myself loving the episodes. They're tense and full of angst, I just wish for a different end result. Lifeline's ending breaks my shipper heart every time, poor John.

So they're really good episodes?

[Luz]

At least, Kate's alive in your world.

Everyone is alive in my world, I've never watched Sunday.

So they're really good episodes?

I thought they were great, yes. I love angst and whump and both those episodes have a lot of aspects that hit all my emotional kinks. It's just the ending I hate.

And it's not really the ending because all that angst would have made for great hurt/comfort if it'd been followed by Elizabeth being found and going back to Atlantis, with a happy ending. That's where fix-it fic comes in handy.

[Sparky She-Demon]

I thought they were great, yes. I love angst and whump and both those episodes have a lot of aspects that hit all my emotional kinks. It's just the ending I hate.

And it's not really the ending because all that angst would have made for great hurt/comfort if it'd been followed by Elizabeth being found and going back to Atlantis, with a happy ending. That's where fix-it fic comes in handy.

I guess my Sparky story could qualify as a "fix-it" fic.

[Brie]

Cheap Vala knock-off.

It’s been a while since I saw the episode but I agree with this one, it seem about right.

After my third and final failed attempt at giving seasons 4 and 5 a try, I've decided to stop trying. I just can't, without Lizzie it feels so wrong.

The last episode I watched properly was Lifeline. So I'm stopping there and then I have this wonderful fix-it fic. It's the perfect plan.

In spite of what Adrift and Lifeline represent I found myself loving the episodes. They're tense and full of angst, I just wish for a different end result. Lifeline's ending breaks my shipper heart every time, poor John.

I’ve seen the last two seasons a few times but they don’t compare to the first three, I mean, yeah there are a few episode in the first three seasons that are not so great but compare to how many there are in the last two season it’s nothing.

I don’t mind some parts of ‘Adrift’ and ‘Lifeline’, for example I thought that Elizabeth looked great going off world and she fit well with the off-world team.

And it's not really the ending because all that angst would have made for great hurt/comfort if it'd been followed by Elizabeth being found and going back to Atlantis, with a happy ending. That's where fix-it fic comes in handy.

It really would, had TPTB taken the time to use the creativity and imagination then they could really have done something great with it but it would have been to much of an effort I guess so they didn’t which is sad.

[Southern Red]

OMG!!! I LOVE THAT PICTURE. I dont know why but i find it really funny. ROFL
What a great idea for a little manip...

oh and WELCOME from me too



true. but i cant remember her beating him bleedy

No, that was Ronon in TMC, but he was a clone and it healed fast, so that probably doesn't count. LOL

After my third and final failed attempt at giving seasons 4 and 5 a try, I've decided to stop trying. I just can't, without Lizzie it feels so wrong.

The last episode I watched properly was Lifeline. So I'm stopping there and then I have this wonderful fix-it fic. It's the perfect plan.

In spite of what Adrift and Lifeline represent I found myself loving the episodes. They're tense and full of angst, I just wish for a different end result. Lifeline's ending breaks my shipper heart every time, poor John.

I must have read that fic back when you published it, but it's worth a second look.

I feel the same way about those 2 eps. They broke my heart, but in a good way because the Sparky just jumps off the screen. After seeing his reactions, there is just no way anyone can still say they weren't friends and he didn't care for her. Maybe it wasn't romantic. That wasn't clear, but it was made perfectly clear that she was closer to him than anyone else.

[Falcon Horus]

Hang on, he was devastated about what happened in Doppelganger after Kate's death... *puts shippy glasses on*... ... ... ... okay, that thought makes me sad.

[Luz]

I must have read that fic back when you published it, but it's worth a second look.

I feel the same way about those 2 eps. They broke my heart, but in a good way because the Sparky just jumps off the screen. After seeing his reactions, there is just no way anyone can still say they weren't friends and he didn't care for her. Maybe it wasn't romantic. That wasn't clear, but it was made perfectly clear that she was closer to him than anyone else.

Oh no, that fic is not mine, I don't write fanfic. Maybe I should edit the post, make it clear I'm not the author.

Yeah, it's everything. He looks so broken when Keller tells him she's brain-dead and so angry when he founds out about what McKay did.

And that scene where they're walking side by side down the corridor, it kills me because they look so - I don't know how to put it - like a unit, a team. And at the end when he's set on finding her.

It just doesn't compute that Sheppard wouldn't keep looking for her until he found her because it's so ooc. And that's one of the reasons seasons 4 and 5 didn't click. Elizabeth was the heart of Atlantis, Sheppard would have never given up. This is the same man who went into a wraith ship to rescue Teyla and Sumner, it just doesn't make sense that he wouldn't have kept looking.

[Sparky She-Demon]

Oh no, that fic is not mine, I don't write fanfic. Maybe I should edit the post, make it clear I'm not the author.

Yeah, it's everything. He looks so broken when Keller tells him she's brain-dead and so angry when he founds out about what McKay did.

And that scene where they're walking side by side down the corridor, it kills me because they look so - I don't know how to put it - like a unit, a team. And at the end when he's set on finding her.

It just doesn't compute that Sheppard wouldn't keep looking for her until he found her because it's so ooc. And that's one of the reasons seasons 4 and 5 didn't click. Elizabeth was the heart of Atlantis, Sheppard would have never given up. This is the same man who went into a wraith ship to rescue Teyla and Sumner, it just doesn't make sense that he wouldn't have kept looking.

Maybe it just was offscreen, then again He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named, screwed the Sparky ship over!

[Luz]

I’ve seen the last two seasons a few times but they don’t compare to the first three, I mean, yeah there are a few episode in the first three seasons that are not so great but compare to how many there are in the last two season it’s nothing.

I don’t mind some parts of ‘Adrift’ and ‘Lifeline’, for example I thought that Elizabeth looked great going off world and she fit well with the off-world team.

It really would, had TPTB taken the time to use the creativity and imagination then they could really have done something great with it but it would have been to much of an effort I guess so they didn’t which is sad.

(IMO) The show was showing signs of getting stale by mid-season 3. But that might be because I'm not an SG1 fan and I hated crossovers, and unfortunately the mid-season cliffhanger was one. And the news of what was about to happen with Elizabeth came right after The Game, so it ruined the rest of the season for me. I absolutely loved seasons 1 and 2 though, season 1 was as close to perfect as it can be.

That scene where they're going on the mission is fantastic, they look strong and brave, my bbs.

Unfortunately, one thing tptb (and this isn't limited to SGA) lack is the patience and forethought it takes to craft overarching storylines. It's sad because in SGA's case there was a lot of wasted potential.

Maybe it just was offscreen, then again He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named, screwed the Sparky ship over!

Yeah, this is my headcanon. He bottled it all up and spent his days consumed by guilt and tirelessly looking for her, until he found her. And they lived happily ever after.

[Sparky She-Demon]

Yeah, this is my headcanon. He bottled it all up and spent his days consumed by guilt and tirelessly looking for her, until he found her. And they lived happily ever after.

That's my headcanon as well. I have a slightly different take on the whole thing!

[Brie]

It just doesn't compute that Sheppard wouldn't keep looking for her until he found her because it's so ooc. And that's one of the reasons seasons 4 and 5 didn't click. Elizabeth was the heart of Atlantis, Sheppard would have never given up. This is the same man who went into a wraith ship to rescue Teyla and Sumner, it just doesn't make sense that he wouldn't have kept looking.

You’re defiantly not wrong about that and we did discuss that scene quite bit when we watched it during the post-a-thon and you can hear when he says “fair enough” that he doesn’t feel that it was fair enough and that even Joe seem to think that it wouldn’t be like Sheppard to give up by the tone in his voice. And when he said “If she’s out there I will find her” makes me both smile and cry at the same time. I do feel that it’s possible that he couldn’t go after her because he felt that he needed to keep Atlantis safe for Elizabeth’s sake, but it still felt weird to see him not even try, I mean this is the guy who not only did that but who flew a jumper with a nuke on it into a hive ship, a guy flew (and crashed) a broken pod not to mentioned who said that he would do anything (including die for) all of them including Elizabeth, now I wouldn’t want him to get hurt or die but at least trying to figure out what had happened wouldn’t have been so wrong.

And it was extra weird also that all of them would leave Elizabeth like that and many not even caring (that we saw) about what had happened to Elizabeth, I mean for the first three season we didn’t see anyone care as much about making sure that everyone made it safe back home as Elizabeth did and not seeing them do the same thing back was hard.

[Sparky She-Demon]

You’re defiantly not wrong about that and we did discuss that scene quite bit when we watched it during the post-a-thon and you can hear when he says “fair enough” that he doesn’t feel that it was fair enough and that even Joe seem to think that it wouldn’t be like Sheppard to give up by the tone in his voice. And when he said “If she’s out there I will find her” makes me both smile and cry at the same time. I do feel that it’s possible that he couldn’t go after her because he felt that he needed to keep Atlantis safe for Elizabeth’s sake, but it still felt weird to see him not even try, I mean this is the guy who not only did that but who flew a jumper with a nuke on it into a hive ship, a guy flew (and crashed) a broken pod not to mentioned who said that he would do anything (including die for) all of them including Elizabeth, now I wouldn’t want him to get hurt or die but at least trying to figure out what had happened wouldn’t have been so wrong.

And it was extra weird also that all of them would leave Elizabeth like that and many not even caring (that we saw) about what had happened to Elizabeth, I mean for the first three season we didn’t see anyone care as much about making sure that everyone made it safe back home as Elizabeth did and not seeing them do the same thing back was hard.

That's He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named for you!

[Brie]

(IMO) The show was showing signs of getting stale by mid-season 3. But that might be because I'm not an SG1 fan and I hated crossovers, and unfortunately the mid-season cliffhanger was one. And the news of what was about to happen with Elizabeth came right after The Game, so it ruined the rest of the season for me. I absolutely loved seasons 1 and 2 though, season 1 was as close to perfect as it can be.

That scene where they're going on the mission is fantastic, they look strong and brave, my bbs.

Unfortunately, one thing tptb (and this isn't limited to SGA) lack is the patience and forethought it takes to craft overarching storylines. It's sad because in SGA's case there was a lot of wasted potential.

Yeah, this is my headcanon. He bottled it all up and spent his days consumed by guilt and tirelessly looking for her, until he found her. And they lived happily ever after.

I did watch the show as it aired here but there wasn’t many news about it and I didn’t wasn’t online a lot at the time so I didn’t know anything about what was going on BTS so for me the loss of first Carson and then Elizabeth so close together came as a complete shock to me and not in a good way.

And I’m not a big SG-1 fan myself even if I have seen the episodes so I do agree, there was few good epsidoes in the second part of season 3 that I enjoyed (Echoes and Submersion for example) but many of them were stale as you said, makes me wish that they would have done that Elizabeth/Ronon centered episode to get something different after all the McKay centered episodes in season 3.

I loved season 1, it was the only season with a real plot and it was during a time when everything was still new and scary and the wraith were still frightening and mysterious, and I do love that they made it so that it the expedition had to struggle to survive and really go out there and try and make allies, once they made contact with earth again they kind lost that.