Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Madness reigns]

Dropping by with cookies, nobody wants them in my house today



I've currently got an ill Child to deal with - nasty cold/ear infection thing and a kitten that doesn't want to talk to me because she currently looks like this....

Spoiler:

(Not my fault, the vet is making her wear it because she keeps licking her stitches from being spayed on Wednesday )

Good to have Gateraid and the hilarious captions back - even if some of them do make my little McKay see more clueless than he actually is.... wait.... what...... hmmmm nevermind

[Southern Red]

Dropping by with cookies, nobody wants them in my house today

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I've currently got an ill Child to deal with - nasty cold/ear infection thing and a kitten that doesn't want to talk to me because she currently looks like this....

Spoiler:

http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/...03ABE-orig.jpg (Not my fault, the vet is making her wear it because she keeps licking her stitches from being spayed on Wednesday )

Good to have Gateraid and the hilarious captions back - even if some of them do make my little McKay see more clueless than he actually is.... wait.... what...... hmmmm nevermind

LOL You've got your hands full. I'll take a cookie. Yummy.

[Anuna]

While you guys are doing all those cracktastic captions, I'm working on a ficlet. Also cracky.

[Falcon Horus]

And I just recently rewatched Adrift and Lifeline. Adrift is good with the Sparky, but if you look closely, you notice that for most of it John and Teyla are joined at the hip. Do I need to say that Gero wrote this? Then in Lifeline, written by CB, he leaves her behind to watch the city and it's Sparky all the way. Interesting how different the writers were.

I hate it that Teyla was left behind... absolutely hate it.

[Infinite-Possibilities]

I kind of see both sides of the argument there. Sometimes I try to imagine a story about what would have happened if something had happened the team and the rest of them had to crash and evacuate the city like Shepard feared and Teyla had to step up as the leader of what was left of the expediton.

[Scary Kitty]

Madness reigns: Cookies! I'll never say no to cookies! Hope your munchkin and kitty are feeling better soon.

While you guys are doing all those cracktastic captions, I'm working on a ficlet. Also cracky.

Yay, fic! I'll also never say no to Sparky!crack.

I hate it that Teyla was left behind... absolutely hate it.

Yeah, it's kind of a shame we didn't see Teyla return to Asuras in Lifeline; would've made for a nice bit of symmetry there, with the entire team from Progeny going back. On the other hand, who else really could have remained in charge on Atlantis? Radek seems like the only other reasonable choice, but he would've had his hands full just dealing with the continuing repairs and trying to keep any myriad of technical disasters from bringing down the city before Sheppard & Co. could've returned with the new ZPM. Teyla was in charge on Atlantis when Weir, Sheppard and the others went back to Earth to report to Stargate Command after The Siege, so we know she's had experience in overall city management. It really just wasn't a good situation.

I kind of see both sides of the argument there. Sometimes I try to imagine a story about what would have happened if something had happened the team and the rest of them had to crash and evacuate the city like Shepard feared and Teyla had to step up as the leader of what was left of the expediton.

That has the makings of a really wicked AU fic. I'm kind of surprised that no one's tried writing one. At least, I haven't heard of one with that premise.

[JT-2]

It's not just me on the Grandkids. They have already picked out names. Olivia for a girl, and Daniel Owen for a boy to honor both her dad and my dad. They're not leaving out Mr. SR because they don't like him. His name has been done to death in the family and it's time for a change. LOL

And I just recently rewatched Adrift and Lifeline. Adrift is good with the Sparky, but if you look closely, you notice that for most of it John and Teyla are joined at the hip. Do I need to say that Gero wrote this? Then in Lifeline, written by CB, he leaves her behind to watch the city and it's Sparky all the way. Interesting how different the writers were.

Those are pretty names!

The writers were always pushing their own agendas. Of course, Gero's script probably read "John looks sad." Thank you, Joe Flanigan.

Dropping by with cookies, nobody wants them in my house today

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I've currently got an ill Child to deal with - nasty cold/ear infection thing and a kitten that doesn't want to talk to me because she currently looks like this....

Spoiler:

(Not my fault, the vet is making her wear it because she keeps licking her stitches from being spayed on Wednesday )

Good to have Gateraid and the hilarious captions back - even if some of them do make my little McKay see more clueless than he actually is.... wait.... what...... hmmmm nevermind

Oooh, I'll take a cookie! They look yummy! I hope your girl feels better soon. There's a lot of nasty colds going around right now. And poor kitty too!!

While you guys are doing all those cracktastic captions, I'm working on a ficlet. Also cracky.

Cracky fic is always fun! Looking forward to it!

I kind of see both sides of the argument there. Sometimes I try to imagine a story about what would have happened if something had happened the team and the rest of them had to crash and evacuate the city like Shepard feared and Teyla had to step up as the leader of what was left of the expediton.

I also see both arguments. On one hand, it seems a plot contrivance and on the other hand, it's a valid argument of who else could lead Atlantis if it was stuck on a new world with no back up from Earth.

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

hey here's a question in the vegas AU, without meeting john sheppard, do you think elizabeth weir was still engaged to simon or was she even part of the program or did she suffer the same fate that her counterpart did in our reality?

[Southern Red]

Those are pretty names!

The writers were always pushing their own agendas. Of course, Gero's script probably read "John looks sad." Thank you, Joe Flanigan.

I doubt his script even said that much. It probably just said "close up on Sheppard" or "Sheppard reacts". Gero would never have encouraged him to be sad about it. In fact, Joe said later that he had to go back to them and insist that they put in something about how they were reacting. I think the scene in Lifeline with him and Carter or maybe the one in Reunion when he talks to her about trying to rescue Elizabeth may be a result of that. Reportedly, whoever he talked to said, "oh yeah, I guess we should show that they cared about losing her" or some such. Lame. And once again, thank you Joe.

hey here's a question in the vegas AU, without meeting john sheppard, do you think elizabeth weir was still engaged to simon or was she even part of the program or did she suffer the same fate that her counterpart did in our reality?

Elizabeth was never engaged to Simon in our reality. It's anybody's guess where she was in the Vegas AU. But I'm betting since they had gone to Atlantis, that she was there as the leader or the Replicators had killed her earlier because John wasn't there to save her. Things in Atlantis could have been vastly different without John.

[Anuna]

hey here's a question in the vegas AU, without meeting john sheppard, do you think elizabeth weir was still engaged to simon or was she even part of the program or did she suffer the same fate that her counterpart did in our reality?

It could go either way, I think. My own personal canon was that she was the nurse John was forced to leave behind. Another favorite headcanon is that John survived the shooting and Elizabeth came to hospital to talk him into joining the program, after she took over from Woolsey.

[JT-2]

I doubt his script even said that much. It probably just said "close up on Sheppard" or "Sheppard reacts". Gero would never have encouraged him to be sad about it. In fact, Joe said later that he had to go back to them and insist that they put in something about how they were reacting. I think the scene in Lifeline with him and Carter or maybe the one in Reunion when he talks to her about trying to rescue Elizabeth may be a result of that. Reportedly, whoever he talked to said, "oh yeah, I guess we should show that they cared about losing her" or some such. Lame. And once again, thank you Joe.

Once again showing them bringing their real life feelings for the actors into the show, instead of respecting show canon. Like the treatment of Joe in S5. *Hugs Joe and Torri. Slaps TPTW*

Just thinking of the writers of the episodes, I would imagine the end scene in Lifeline already existed but the Reunion one was added. After all, Mallozzi thought it was hilarious that Rodney was so excited to take over Elizabeth's job. That's not my Rodney, dammit! Also, Joe probably got them to add the Doppleganger mention of her as well.

It could go either way, I think. My own personal canon was that she was the nurse John was forced to leave behind. Another favorite headcanon is that John survived the shooting and Elizabeth came to hospital to talk him into joining the program, after she took over from Woolsey.

YES, and YES!

[Scary Kitty]

Good morning, Sparkies! Happy Lazy Sunday!

I doubt his script even said that much. It probably just said "close up on Sheppard" or "Sheppard reacts". Gero would never have encouraged him to be sad about it. In fact, Joe said later that he had to go back to them and insist that they put in something about how they were reacting. I think the scene in Lifeline with him and Carter or maybe the one in Reunion when he talks to her about trying to rescue Elizabeth may be a result of that. Reportedly, whoever he talked to said, "oh yeah, I guess we should show that they cared about losing her" or some such. Lame. And once again, thank you Joe.

Pretty sure it was the scene in Reunion. As I recall, the scene was originally in the script, then was cut. When Joe rightly complained about there being no mention of Elizabeth and of the others still mourning her at all in the episode, the scene was put back in.

THANK YOU, JOE! The man knows canon better than the writers do.

It could go either way, I think. My own personal canon was that she was the nurse John was forced to leave behind. Another favorite headcanon is that John survived the shooting and Elizabeth came to hospital to talk him into joining the program, after she took over from Woolsey.

Oh, I LIKE that one! And then, of course, when John gets to Atlantis, he finally finds happiness with Lizzeh. Sparky!sexytimez ensue, and all is well with the universe.

Once again showing them bringing their real life feelings for the actors into the show, instead of respecting show canon. Like the treatment of Joe in S5. *Hugs Joe and Torri. Slaps TPTW*

Or certain other... treatments of certain characters in certain spin-offs we shall not name.

Just thinking of the writers of the episodes, I would imagine the end scene in Lifeline already existed but the Reunion one was added. After all, Mallozzi thought it was hilarious that Rodney was so excited to take over Elizabeth's job. That's not my Rodney, dammit! Also, Joe probably got them to add the Doppleganger mention of her as well.

*snorts* And I'm still pissed off about how they never had Carter make even a brief mention of "recent losses," much less mention Elizabeth by name, in her "Hi, I'm your new boss!" speech in Reunion. Grr.

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So in my personal headcanon, I've interpreted this lack of sympathy as Carter still being a bit of a b***h to Lizzeh over the way they tangled back in SG-1's New Order. Hey, if TPTW want to make Carter look bad (why else would they have written her so poorly in Reunion), who am I to argue?

[Southern Red]

Agree on all that, but I did like the way Carter treated John like the grieving husband in that Reunion scene. Having her say Gen Landry sent his sympathies seemed a bit odd. Wouldn't it have made more sense to say that to the whole group, not just John? Unless it was personal sympathies, which would make both Sam and Landry Sparky shippers. To which I say \0/. And then John saying, I'll find her with such conviction, must have given it away. You know there was never any mention of what her loss meant to anyone except John, aside from that little scene with Teyla and Ronon packing her things. It was John who was shown grieving and reacting every time she was mentioned and only John who mentioned still wanting to go find her. And yet, we are expected to believe there was nothing but business between them.

[Scary Kitty]

Agree on all that, but I did like the way Carter treated John like the grieving husband in that Reunion scene. Having her say Gen Landry sent his sympathies seemed a bit odd. Wouldn't it have made more sense to say that to the whole group, not just John? Unless it was personal sympathies, which would make both Sam and Landry Sparky shippers. To which I say \0/. And then John saying, I'll find her with such conviction, must have given it away. You know there was never any mention of what her loss meant to anyone except John, aside from that little scene with Teyla and Ronon packing her things. It was John who was shown grieving and reacting every time she was mentioned and only John who mentioned still wanting to go find her. And yet, we are expected to believe there was nothing but business between them.

I think that was all in Lifeline. But it's so very true. Heck, everyone seemed to be treating John like a grieving husband in Adrift and Lifeline: Carter, Keller, Zelenka... everyone. If John and Elizabeth were just coworkers, not only did the two of them not act like it, everyone else didn't act like it either.

BTW, are we starting the live viewing and post-a-thons today, or are we waiting another week for anyone else to sign up? We haven't had a whole lot of interest, at least, not as much as we did the last time we did post-a-thons. Maybe we need to go poke a few people on Twitter...

[Southern Red]

I think that was all in Lifeline. But it's so very true. Heck, everyone seemed to be treating John like a grieving husband in Adrift and Lifeline: Carter, Keller, Zelenka... everyone. If John and Elizabeth were just coworkers, not only did the two of them not act like it, everyone else didn't act like it either.

BTW, are we starting the live viewing and post-a-thons today, or are we waiting another week for anyone else to sign up? We haven't had a whole lot of interest, at least, not as much as we did the last time we did post-a-thons. Maybe we need to go poke a few people on Twitter...

I don't know. I can probably do it in an hour or so. Who's around?