Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Regularamanda]

Hey, that could work! Elizabeth does come before John in the alphabet, after all.

There ya go! And John should be the gentleman that he is and let Elizabeth be first

[Erin87]

Our beloved Anuna inspired me to write a small fic.
It's written quite quickly and still unbeta'd, so don't expect too much
Here it is, enjoy and lemme know what you think:

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Title: No one is flawless
Author: Kris Russel
Rating: PG
Category: Drama, Angst, Romance
Pairing: John/Elizabeth
Spoilers: none
Summary: Elizabeth makes a mistake.
Author’s Note: *huggles Anuna* I wrote this for you girl, hope it’ll make you feel better.
Disclaimer: Not mine and will never be mine. Otherwise Elizabeth and Carson would still be among the main cast and Sparky would be RST.

It was a clear night above the city of Atlantis and the bright moonlight shone brilliantly over the many spires as the reflection of the ocean played on the metallic surface that covered the city. Normally it was a sight that took Elizabeth’s breath away and that made her stare in awe at the amazing city she lived in. But not today. Today wasn’t a day as any other. Today she merely stood on the small balcony outside of her quarters while she stared at the amazing sight but none of it really made it through to her.
The far away knock on the door of her quarters didn’t register either, nor did the fact that a few seconds later the door opened and one of the best friends she had ever had walked through the door.
“Elizabeth?” John asked carefully as he joined her on the balcony, a clear trace of worry visible on his face.
She didn’t respond or acknowledge him and he knew better than to push her. Instead he simply stood next to her and stared at the amazing view.
It seemed hours later when she finally let out a breath.
“I nearly killed him.” She whispered barely audible.
He kept silent, knowing it wasn’t up to him to deny or confirm anything. Not yet anyway.
“I didn’t pull the trigger but I might as well have.”
“Don’t do this to yourself, Elizabeth.”
She finally turned to him, anger written all over her face. “I made the decision and it was the wrong one.” Her voice rose with nearly every word she said. “Because of me a good and innocent man nearly died!”
“I know.” He simply replied. “But no one blames you.”
“Oh come on. I don’t trust myself anymore, why would anyone else trust me?”
“Because you’re human and humans are not flawless. No one is flawless for that matter. Not even the bloody Asurans are flawless and they’re robots.”
Elizabeth sighed again.
“You can’t tell me you never made a mistake before.” John continued. “If you do, then I have to sincerely doubt if you really are human.”
She gave him a half hearted glare. “I have made mistakes before. Some… severe.”
“Tell me.”
Her glare grew.
“Come on, ‘Liz’beth. It’ll make you feel better.”
Another sigh escaped her. “Fine. It was in my first year as a diplomat. I was one of the delegates to try and talk two African tribes into peace. They had been waging war for generations and neither even knew why the war had begun in the first place. It should have been easy. It should have been a walk in the park. That’s the reason they send me along: an easy case for a newbie negotiator. But I screwed up. Both tribes were very fond of their rituals and habits. I made the wrong move and they saw that as a bad omen. So instead of turning on each other, they teamed up and turned on our small diplomatic party. Two of the soldiers that accompanied us were killed and the rest of us barely made it out alive.”
“And what about the tribes?”
“They’ve lived in an uneasy peace ever since.”
“So something good did come out of it.”
“Besides the fact that I got two soldiers killed. I visited their families you know… told them the truth. The accusing look on their faces will haunt me forever.”
“But you continued as a diplomat.”
“Yes. My… dad. He convinced me to continue. He had faith in me.”
“I have faith in you, Elizabeth.”
She looked up at him and saw something in his eyes that told her more than his words ever could.
“Everyone in this city has faith in you. No one ever doubted a single decision you made because we all trust you implicitly and what happened today won’t change that. What happened all those years ago won’t change that. Look how much happened since then. You changed from a fumbling geeky negotiator into a strong, breathtakingly beautiful leader of an intergalactic expedition. You seem to effortlessly combine your negotiating skills, diplomatic skills and leadership skills. Every single person in this city respects you for that. They look up to you. Trust you…”
He couldn’t help but brush a stray lock of curly hair behind her ear.
She closed her eyes at the feeling of his fingers barely touching her cheek and resting on her ear.
“Everyone screws up now and then.” He whispered. “It’s what makes us human. In the worst screw ups, people die. In the best, they don’t. But we all screw something up at times.”
His hand fell back down and she slowly opened her eyes again.
“The problem is that if I make the wrong decision… that when I screw up, the chance that people die is very big.”
He nodded. “We all know that. But that never stopped us from following your orders. And besides… in the three years you’ve been leading this expedition, you screwed up once. I’d say that’s far below the average. Most people screw up at least once a month.”
Her eyebrow rose in amusement. “Once a month? You’re talking from experience, Colonel?”
He gave her a crooked grin. “Hey, I warned you that I’d be nothing but trouble.”
“True.” She smiled.
John was glad to finally see her smile. He knew she’d be alright now. It had been a though day… hell, it had been a though week. No, make that a though month. Hell… even a though year. They were all under a lot of stress and even someone as strong as Doctor Elizabeth Weir was due to crack under the pressure. Today had been that day and he knew it would take a long time for her to truly forgive herself. But he silently promised himself he’d be there for her and help her trough this.
“You could at least pretend to deny it.” He said as his grin grew.
The playful banter between them took her mind of off the horrors of the last few months and she was immensely glad that he had the ability to make her forget… if only for a few minutes.
“Why would I do that? Especially since you just referred to me as a fumbling geek.”
“Ah, but I also called you breathtakingly beautiful.”
“Yes… there is that.”
John could have sworn she was blushing right now and it made her look adorably cute. He knew they were walking on the fine line of close deep friendship and something more again but he also knew they couldn’t cross it. Not yet. Not now that the IOA would go after her again.
“Let’s watch the stars.” He whispered and she nodded.
The stood side by side on her small balcony, staring up at the stars cluttering the night sky. His arm slowly rose and gently wrapped around her shoulder. She leaned into his embrace and let her arm circle around his lower back. John turned his face to her and smelled her unique scent. He tenderly kissed her temple and pulled her closer. She gladly melted in his embrace and she forgot for just a few minutes longer.

The End

Oh, that was lovely Kris! Wonderful quiet moment for the two of them.

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

ha im just watching 38 minutes i was always curious to know what john was going to say but elizabeth cut him off and im sure it wasnt "take care of each other".

[Scary Kitty]

There ya go! And John should be the gentleman that he is and let Elizabeth be first

You betcha!

[Scary Kitty]

Got a fic rec for you!

Give Me Hope, by fex_84. John won't give up on finding Elizabeth. And he won't give up once he's found her, either. Angsty with a happy ending.

Happy Sparky reading!

[Killdeer]

ha im just watching 38 minutes i was always curious to know what john was going to say but elizabeth cut him off and im sure it wasnt "take care of each other".

That episode....you know, the writers may say all they want that they didn't write Sparky into the show. But what the heck was this if not Sparky hints? There was a LOT of Sparky hints in this episode. Did the writers seriously not understand how this looked?

[Irish Eyes]

That episode....you know, the writers may say all they want that they didn't write Sparky into the show. But what the heck was this if not Sparky hints? There was a LOT of Sparky hints in this episode. Did the writers seriously not understand how this looked?

Heck yes, they did! And the rumor was that the end scene was added later to take advantage of the Sparky chemistry. Pardon me while I at the writers who later denied writing Sparky...

*waves to the Sparky lovers*

[Anuna]

That episode....you know, the writers may say all they want that they didn't write Sparky into the show. But what the heck was this if not Sparky hints? There was a LOT of Sparky hints in this episode. Did the writers seriously not understand how this looked?

Are we talking about the guys who said (well at least one of them) they don't tend to watch how the final product came out? O_o

*goes to read kris!fic*

[Scary Kitty]

That episode....you know, the writers may say all they want that they didn't write Sparky into the show. But what the heck was this if not Sparky hints? There was a LOT of Sparky hints in this episode. Did the writers seriously not understand how this looked?

Heck yes, they did! And the rumor was that the end scene was added later to take advantage of the Sparky chemistry. Pardon me while I at the writers who later denied writing Sparky...

*waves to the Sparky lovers*

Yup, what Irish Eyes said. TPTW knew they were writing Sparky, and based on their performances, I'd say Joe and Torri had to have been knowingly playing Sparky.

It's like I keep saying... *points at sig* Sparky is canon.

Are we talking about the guys who said (well at least one of them) they don't tend to watch how the final product came out? O_o

*goes to read kris!fic*

Apparently so. But hey, we all know what they say about denial being a river in Egypt...

[Anuna]

anyone wondered why in lifeline teyla is the one packing up weir's office and not John?

Hm, I'll try to answer this without bringing any non topic relationships into the mix, but I'm afraid I can't escape the friendship that never got explored properly. I mean Teyla and Elizabeth friendship.

I think at that point John was feeling too upset, too guilty, too much of everything to face the task of putting Elizabeth's life into a box. The process would be both mechanic and symbolic and like Scary Kitty said, it would be too much like saying goodbye in a moment when John desperately needed hope. In my personal canon, Teyla didn't ask anyone to do it, she did it because she knew both of her friends would appreciate that. (that's something I love about Teyla)

[Scary Kitty]

Hm, I'll try to answer this without bringing any non topic relationships into the mix, but I'm afraid I can't escape the friendship that never got explored properly. I mean Teyla and Elizabeth friendship.

I think at that point John was feeling too upset, too guilty, too much of everything to face the task of putting Elizabeth's life into a box. The process would be both mechanic and symbolic and like Scary Kitty said, it would be too much like saying goodbye in a moment when John desperately needed hope. In my personal canon, Teyla didn't ask anyone to do it, she did it because she knew both of her friends would appreciate that. (that's something I love about Teyla)

Teyla is a Sparky shipper.

[Scary Kitty]

Before I head off to bed, one last fic rec to leave you with:

The Unbroken Heart, by Bil. Elizabeth reflects on her breakup with Simon and the meaning of her reaction to the news.

Happy Sparky reading!

[KrisRussel]

KrisRussel, your fic was so quiet and sad, but it had such a sweet ending. I could just hear John's "Elizabeth voice" when he was talking to her. *sighs and melts*

Oh, that was lovely Kris! Wonderful quiet moment for the two of them.

Thank you, guys!

ha im just watching 38 minutes i was always curious to know what john was going to say but elizabeth cut him off and im sure it wasnt "take care of each other".

This is part of an ongoing fic I'm writing (not sure if I'll ever post the entire thing though), but this part is about 38 minutes and it says what he wanted to say:

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She watched him from the darkness as he lay on the infirmary bed. He looked quite peaceful now, so different from when Carson was trying to resurrect him. In that instant she had prayed to every God she could think off to spare his life and now she thanked them again for doing just that.
“I know you’re there.” He said, his eyes still closed. “I won’t bite... hard.”
She laughed softly and stepped away from the shadows, moving next to his bed.
“How are you?” She asked and he opened his eyes.
“Good, considering I died today.”
She slightly flinched and turned her gaze away from him.
“Sorry.” He quickly apologized at her reaction.
“Don’t be. I’m glad you survived this.”
“You and me both.”
“I was wondering... Now that it’s just the two of us... what is it that you really wanted to tell me?”
He looked at her for a few silent moments, clearly torn between telling her the truth and telling her a little white lie. Letting out a quiet sigh, he decided that it was better to be honest with her.
“I wanted to thank you.”
“Thank me?” She asked surprised and he nodded.
“For giving me a chance at a time nearly everyone else had given up on me. For trusting me to lead the military here and for giving me the chance to proof that I could be more than just ‘gene-boy’.”
She smiled gently at him. “You’re welcome, John.”
Giving her a short nod, he closed his eyes and pushed himself deeper into his pillow.
“Go to sleep, Elizabeth.” He murmured.
Her smile grew. “Goodnight, major.” And she walked out of the infirmary.

I think at that point John was feeling too upset, too guilty, too much of everything to face the task of putting Elizabeth's life into a box. The process would be both mechanic and symbolic and like Scary Kitty said, it would be too much like saying goodbye in a moment when John desperately needed hope. In my personal canon, Teyla didn't ask anyone to do it, she did it because she knew both of her friends would appreciate that. (that's something I love about Teyla)

SK and Anuna, you're both so right. If John would have done it, to him it would have been like he was giving up on her and I don't think he ever could do that. I'm pretty sure he still thinks Ford is out there somewhere too.
I don't think I ever would have accepted it if John did it, especially not while he constantly chants 'we don't leave our people behind' to everyone. Teyla on the other hand was a good friend with Elizabeth and although it must have hurt her too on some level to clear her quarters and even though I'm sure she'll never truly give up on Elizabeth either, it's different.
It's hard to explain or put into words, but it just feels different.

[KrisRussel]

Hello everyone *waves* darn I need to post in here more...thought I'd throw some picspam around

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You all might not like picspam and if you don't let me know!

*loves picspam* No worries, I think everyone here loves picspam.

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

love the walk and talk in This mortal coil. though if the clone elizabeth really did come back to atlantis season 4 and season 5 would've taken a very different turn.