The Political Discussion Thread

[SoulReaver]

She can fix it once she gets money.

as a congresswoman she must have enough $ to fix it 10x over

[Chaka-Z0]

as a congresswoman she must have enough $ to fix it 10x over

She can contract Trump's Photoshop artists then. Got to admit its a better contrast than the previous candidateSnake that ran for POTUS, no?

[Annoyed]

We are having a problem with stereotypes it seems

Stereotypes?

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/rese...d-region-birth

Mexican and Central American immigrants, who have long histories of migration to the United States, represent 37 percent of the U.S. foreign-born population, yet are disproportionately represented (71 percent) among the total unauthorized immigrant population. Mexico alone accounts for more than half of the estimated 11 million unauthorized immigrants in the United States, with another 15 percent and 14 percent from Central America and Asia, respectively.

Yeah, that's a stereotype.

[Annoyed]

as a congresswoman she must have enough $ to fix it 10x over

She can contract Trump's Photoshop artists then. Got to admit its a better contrast than the previous candidateSnake that ran for POTUS, no?

Why the preoccupation with her appearance? Her appearance has nothing to do with her desire to reform the U.S. into a socialist paradise.

If this is the attitude of youngsters regarding politicians, maybe we ought to raise the voting age to 50; by that time the little head doesn't dominate the thinking quite so much.

[jelgate]

Now you are advocating censorship. You know my rules about censorship. Also your immigration stats are outdated

[Coco Pops]

OMG the wilful blindness on display here. It's freaking amazing.

Trump was the one that held his breath and stomped his feet and still is about his wall, "Waaaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa I want my wall" and if I don't get it I'll hold everyone hostage.

Isn't that the action of a childish person not acting like a grown up?

[SoulReaver]

Why the preoccupation with her appearance?

you tell me - I just made an offhand comment after you brought up the subject

raise the voting age to 50; by that time the little head doesn't dominate the thinking quite so much.

except Donald's mushroom head

ghouliani got re-voted in because of 9/11, and was not a total madman back then.

not a total madman but still a total fascist

funny thing is 9/11 got him re-elected even though he didn't prevent it
the neocons set the bar very low on this one

to paraphrase the Don "I prefer those who didn't get captured let skyscrapers collapse killing thousands during their watch"

[Chaka-Z0]

Nice bait, but you got busted Annoyed

[aretood2]

And this is one of the areas where a wall shines the brightest. The wall blocks entry. They don't get in. Therefore, no deportation, judges, facilities or anything else needed. Mexico can do with them as they see fit.

...no it doesn't...

We're not talking about the same thing. By "First Generation", I'm referring to the folks that sneak in or overstay. Their subsequent generations may do better than they did, though.

It's not may, it is an established fact. Hispanics as a group are the largest founders of new small businesses in the US. As far as hispanics go, children of immigrants outperform their parents in just about every aspect. Education, jobs, living standard, financial security. You name it. Are there a lot of immigrants on some form of government assistance? Sure, but do their kids grow up to be on said assistance? No. That's the biggest thing people miss.

Sanders wasn't even half the looney that Ocasio-Cortez is.

Sanders is too socialist for me...what does that tell you?

I dunno about SGalisia, but I'm bashing Occasio-Cortez because she wants to turn this country into a socialist paradise, and is apparently not even aware that she cannot legally do some of the things she's going on about. They are against the Constitution. And we've discussed how hard (impossible these days) it is to change that.

I'm confused again...it looks like you are talking about Trump here....

And, maybe she does something for lizards and maybe human younglings, but she does nothing for me. Like that would make a difference in my reaction to her political views anyway.

If that's how we are to behave, then your life is of little use to me and your vote, therefore, is in the way of my prosperity and that of the generation after me. So just die and do us all a favor. I don't mean it, because I'm not like you. Unlike you, moral imperatives are just as important as receiving direct benefits.

Even though I'm agnostic, I've always said that the Ten Commandments are a good set of rules for living, regardless of their source.

So what's so valuable to you about worshiping only Jehovah and no other god? Or not doing any work during the Sabbath? In what way does it benefit you that we not make images of what's in the heavens nor worship the gods of the gentiles?

You say this but you don't understand the ten commandments. You don't understand them because you are incapable of seeing your life as secondary to that of others. If something doesn't benefit you directly you either oppose it or don't care if it is opposed.

The Ten commandments are merely a categorical starting point for the some 613 commandments that God gave Israel. And each of those commandments have multiple principles or manners of fulfilling them throughout every facet of human life for the duration of a lifetime. It is best simplified by loving others, even those who have no benefit to you. If you truly believed what I quoted, you would not say what you said above.

I resent that accusation. I am not a racist. Yes, absolutely, I am very strongly against illegal immigration, but that is because I am against illegal immigration. I wouldn't care where they are coming from.

But that's a lie. You are against immigration in general.

The only reason it appears to be racial in nature as that we aren't having a problem with Canadians, Europeans, Asians or other people sneaking into the country. The only racial aspect is where the illegals are coming from.

First: Can we stop treating hispanics as a race? Like seriously, it's utterly ridiculous and ignorant (as in stupid and a thing of idiots).

Second: Over 1 million Asians are illegally here in the US. Hundreds of thousands of Illegal Europeans, Hundreds of thousands of illegal Africans. These don't matter?

Stereotypes?

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/rese...d-region-birth

Here's a problem, you fail to analyze the information they are giving you. Currently in the country does not mean entering the country. The majority of illegal entries are Central American. East Asian and Indian Sub Continent illegal entries (or visa overstays) are outpacing Latin American entries (or visa overstays). Net migration from Mexico is in the negative. So to continue focusing on Mexicans is rather dumb and outdated by at least a decade. You can read that in the report itself. And I have seen similar data so I did add a bit more in my comment here, but what I added supports and supplements your source.

The fact is, still thinking of Mexicans when it comes to illegal entries is a stereotype that has little bases in reality. You should be thinking of Central Americans, Asians, and Africans.

[Gatefan1976]

I resent that accusation. I am not a racist. Yes, absolutely, I am very strongly against illegal immigration, but that is because I am against illegal immigration. I wouldn't care where they are coming from.

The only reason it appears to be racial in nature as that we aren't having a problem with Canadians, Europeans, Asians or other people sneaking into the country. The only racial aspect is where the illegals are coming from.

Actually, you are but because it's not weaponized like rapist Mexicans you are ignorant of it.
So, you are either a racist, or ignorant, take your pick.

[Annoyed]

And, maybe she does something for lizards and maybe human younglings, but she does nothing for me. Like that would make a difference in my reaction to her political views anyway.

If that's how we are to behave, then your life is of little use to me and your vote, therefore, is in the way of my prosperity and that of the generation after me. So just die and do us all a favor. I don't mean it, because I'm not like you. Unlike you, moral imperatives are just as important as receiving direct benefits.

This was a discussion regarding the kindergartner's apparent physical attractiveness to some people. I'm simply saying that I don't find her attractive; "she does nothing for me"

So what's so valuable to you about worshiping only Jehovah and no other god? Or not doing any work during the Sabbath? In what way does it benefit you that we not make images of what's in the heavens nor worship the gods of the gentiles?

I don't worship Jehovah or any other God. I have no idea if there even is one, and if there is, it's quite likely that it is so far beyond human comprehension there wouldn't be a point.

But that's a lie. You are against immigration in general.

I am fine with legal immigration. But the quantities of immigrants granted entry and who is granted legal status should be for the benefit of the U.S., not the immigrant or his multinational corporate employer who just wants cheap labor.

First: Can we stop treating hispanics as a race? Like seriously, it's utterly ridiculous and ignorant (as in stupid and a thing of idiots).

Does that also apply when racial minorities such as Hispanics and Blafrican-Americans ("Last Man Standing" joke reference) are granted preferential treatment in college admission, some government jobs and such?

Second: Over 1 million Asians are illegally here in the US. Hundreds of thousands of Illegal Europeans, Hundreds of thousands of illegal Africans. These don't matter?


Here's a problem, you fail to analyze the information they are giving you. Currently in the country does not mean entering the country. The majority of illegal entries are Central American. East Asian and Indian Sub Continent illegal entries (or visa overstays) are outpacing Latin American entries (or visa overstays). Net migration from Mexico is in the negative. So to continue focusing on Mexicans is rather dumb and outdated by at least a decade. You can read that in the report itself. And I have seen similar data so I did add a bit more in my comment here, but what I added supports and supplements your source.

The fact is, still thinking of Mexicans when it comes to illegal entries is a stereotype that has little bases in reality. You should be thinking of Central Americans, Asians, and Africans.

From the link I posted above:

Mexican and Central American immigrants, who have long histories of migration to the United States, represent 37 percent of the U.S. foreign-born population, yet are disproportionately represented (71 percent) among the total unauthorized immigrant population. Mexico alone accounts for more than half of the estimated 11 million unauthorized immigrants in the United States, with another 15 percent and 14 percent from Central America and Asia, respectively.

Doesn't seem to be just a stereotype to me. Clearly, in recent history there has been a dominant source of illegal immigrants. You deny this?

[Annoyed]

And here we have a nice little piece about the liberals kindergarten darling. Oh, and it also points out media bias rather nicely.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.1389ca80d093

Among the many gems:

But facts are crucial, especially when you are proposing the largest increase in government spending in human history. Vox recently added up the cost of all her proposals — from Medicare-for-all, to free college, guaranteed jobs and the “Green New Deal.” The price tag was $42.5 trillion over the next decade — more than twice the current national debt. Sorry, you can’t pay for that through Pentagon accounting errors.

I wonder if she could even pass the entrance exam for kindergarten.

[Chaka-Z0]

Remember the W Bush election? I clearly recall the pro-Reps repeating that Bush fixed the economy with his ''identity policies'' yet he completely messed up the country's finances.

Unless you haven't noticed, Facts don't matter for Trump supporters.Cool slogans, the ''harsh'' comments and tweets, flashy apparel such as the MAGA hats. They ride, breathe and live on emotions. They love simple stuff, stuff that don't require them to think about the implications, it's ''cool'', they enjoy having a POTUS that trolls the international community on a daily basis.

Trump could legit invade Canada tomorrow, kill thousands of American soldiers in the process, and Trump supporters would praise him for it. He could make the US dollar worth 25 cents and they would say he raised the currency.

Question is, how many are too dumb to realize it? Sheeps will be sheeps.

[Annoyed]

And another leftie doesn't get it.

Warren on Wealth Tax: Assets Worldwide Will Be Taxed With A "Very High Rate of Monitoring, Auditing"

Ok, so they get this through Congress. And their wealthy targets move out of the country. The U.S. does not have taxing jurisdiction in other nations.

She talks about it, but she doesn't "get it". The very fact that the targets of these tax bill are wealthy by nature gives them the ability to move or otherwise shield their assets from the excessive zeal of tax collectors. This has always been the case, and always will be the case. That can't be changed.

So who does get the bill for all these pipe dreams? The poor guy who can't afford to shield their assets and income.

[aretood2]

This was a discussion regarding the kindergartner's apparent physical attractiveness to some people. I'm simply saying that I don't find her attractive; "she does nothing for me"

Why are you discussing that at all?

I don't worship Jehovah or any other God. I have no idea if there even is one, and if there is, it's quite likely that it is so far beyond human comprehension there wouldn't be a point.

You like the idea of the ten commandments, not the ten commandments themselves. That was my point. If you liked them, if you understood them, then you wouldn't be as you are.

I am fine with legal immigration. But the quantities of immigrants granted entry and who is granted legal status should be for the benefit of the U.S., not the immigrant or his multinational corporate employer who just wants cheap labor.

\The fact is you'd rather believe immigrants in general are a drain than anything else. In effect, you simply end up being against immigration and only allow it under circumstances that would have kept Andrew Carnegie out of the country as well as other poor immigrants who contributed greatly to the US or had children who did so.

Does that also apply when racial minorities such as Hispanics and Blafrican-Americans ("Last Man Standing" joke reference) are granted preferential treatment in college admission, some government jobs and such?

What? What does that have anything to do with what I said?

Doesn't seem to be just a stereotype to me. Clearly, in recent history there has been a dominant source of illegal immigrants. You deny this?

Did you not read my post? I specifically said that Mexicans don't constitute the majority of illegal entries in the past decade, and the study you posted says as much. The Mexicans who are here came hear beyond a decade ago. You are using current illegal residents who came here anywhere from yesterday to 50 years ago to justify a stereotype of a modern current flood of specifically Mexicans all the while ignoring the nearly 3 million non-Hispanic illegals in the country including over 200,000 illegal Canadians. Basically, if ICE acted according to your idea of who is coming here illegally, that number of illegal Canadians would be much much higher because you'd focus on a subtype of Hispanic illegals allowing the hundreds of thousands that poor in from the north, east, and west to do so with no deportations to keep that population from growing beyond 3 million.

And another leftie doesn't get it.

Warren on Wealth Tax: Assets Worldwide Will Be Taxed With A "Very High Rate of Monitoring, Auditing"

Ok, so they get this through Congress. And their wealthy targets move out of the country. The U.S. does not have taxing jurisdiction in other nations.

She talks about it, but she doesn't "get it". The very fact that the targets of these tax bill are wealthy by nature gives them the ability to move or otherwise shield their assets from the excessive zeal of tax collectors. This has always been the case, and always will be the case. That can't be changed.

So who does get the bill for all these pipe dreams? The poor guy who can't afford to shield their assets and income.

That's a nice theory. But there is little in the way of examples of that actually happening to the scale of which you imply. From what I have seen, it's basically a myth.