AAARGH SG1 game + ethics

[Andy867]

My belief is that people are so engulfed by FPS and action games that require destruction because the games very nature allows people to do something that they normally wouldnt/couldnt do in real life. Now considering that most people who play games like Quake and Delta Force, etc are people with a good grip on reality and know their limits and realize that its just a game. And Parents blaming a kids behavior is just a scapegoating excuse for the parent's lack of judgement and involvement in the kid's upbringing. I play all kinds of games: Rainbow Six, Quake, Doom 3, Call of Duty, NHL series, Madden, SimCity) and I leave the "reality" from the game in the game and once that power goes off, I am no different sanity wise nor would I have the urge to go on a shooting rampage.

A Game like Stargate SG-1: The Alliance can have MANY genres aspects incorporated into it. Obviously it cannot just be FPS because the game designers would not send a player to a planet with a thousand Jaffa and expect the player to just shoot their way through (hell, SG-1 has trouble just dealing with a dozen Jaffa in their minds, though their skills and track record say otherwise). The game designers will definitely work to implement a kind of military strategy mode in which you need to plan your mission much the same way as your would Rainbow Six in which you look at the Intel and decide your course of action, which could mean retrieval of some artifact WITHOUT a single shot being fired off.

I have plenty of confidence in both JoWood and Perception PTY to make a caliber quality Stargate game that goes well with the series and the fans of the show and video game crowd.

[neith4]

Ah hum I was writing about the sort of games in which there's a shooter / stalker hunting another human being NOT games like Knights of the Old Republic - I am aware not all gamers are the same !

It frightens me that the average gamer in my local netcafe prefers stalker games and that I think I've only seen one of two people playing Knights of the Old Republic or games of similar complexity.

[Major Fischer]

It frightens me that the average gamer in my local netcafe prefers stalker games and that I think I've only seen one of two people playing Knights of the Old Republic or games of similar complexity.

I'm a little loathe to get involved in this thread...

... but what makes you think the SG1 game will lack complexity?

[neith4]

REAL History is not just reading about wars - its about learning about the past in all its fascinating aspects - art music philosophy - REAL history enhances your appreciation of life by deepening your awareness!

Learn to find the beauty in a variety of things and you'll learn that non violent activities are not necessarily "boring" !?

[Major Fischer]

REAL History is not just reading about wars - its about learning about the past in all its fascinating aspects - art music philosophy - REAL history enhances your appreciation of life by deepening your awareness!

Learn to find the beauty in a variety of things and you'll learn that non violent activities are not necessarily "boring" !?

Ponders pointing out that I'm a military historian by trade....

... I had a professor who once told me that history was a river of blood that civilization's achievements were built on the banks of.

I don't know if you intend it, but you are coming off pretty darn preachy, and not helping your argument I don't think.

[AlphaBlu]

Actually it's Sepphiroth from Final Fantasy VII: Advent Children.

Really... wow. He looks nothing like I remember. Oh, and "Advent Children" is still the dumbest title ever.

And anyway, I put a nice big "" in my post. I wasn't totally serious.

BYE

[AlphaBlu]

It frightens me that the average gamer in my local netcafe prefers stalker games

Tell me, what the heck is a "Stalker" game. I know there is a yet-to-be-released game, published by THQ, called "Stalker", that has you going into Chernobyl (SP??) and finding lots of evil mutated stuff there, but I've never heard of a "stalker" game or even a "stalker" genre.

BYE

[neith4]

Re:
killing isn't always unethical - it's too bad we can't drop YOU into the middle of a modern day SS or Gestapo group or Cecesco (sp?) or Stalin interrogation group or Saddam prison interrogation group et cet.

since I've read real history and read about interrogation methods there's a definite risk to the interrogator I know enuff psychology to bore them stupid

re:
the only compassion and wisdom that should be shown to enemies is execution. They'd do it to you. patience, determination and resourcefulnees to defeat and destroy your enemies is what should be applauded.

what religion are you rejecting?

did you never learn the biblical verse about being kind to your enemies for by doing so you pour burning coals upon their heads



Re:
and here I thought WWI eliminated many aristocracies and kings and WWII dramatically changed the world for the better

er lets see the destruction of the austrohungarian empire and the defeat of germany lead to a power vacuum filled by various fascist regimes thru-out germany and eastern europe and after ww2 there was the rise of communism


a shift in the balance of power is not always a change for the better?

sadly peace is sometimes just the lull before the next storm of chaos

[neith4]

Ponders pointing out that I'm a military historian by trade....

... I had a professor who once told me that history was a river of blood that civilization's achievements were built on the banks of.

I don't know if you intend it, but you are coming off pretty darn preachy, and not helping your argument I don't think.

mmm what area did this professor specialize in ???

I'm not a military historian myself I'm a classicist who reads broadly -
archaeology social history art etc

if your professor only saw a river of blood and used that as a metaphor ...ugh

history is not a river of blood its more like a tapestry for me!

[neith4]

Tell me, what the heck is a "Stalker" game. I know there is a yet-to-be-released game, published by THQ, called "Stalker", that has you going into Chernobyl (SP??) and finding lots of evil mutated stuff there, but I've never heard of a "stalker" game or even a "stalker" genre.

BYE

If hunting down your opponent using the same methods you would to stalk an animal isnt stalking what is ?

Have you never seen a cat or dog stalking prey?

[neith4]

Recyt all

hello ? if there are any other concerned ethicists or history students lurking would they please decloak?

cos I have to leave now and go do food shopping and I'll not be back online until late tomorrow or day after due to a medical appointment

[Major Fischer]

mmm what area did this professor specialize in ???

I'm not a military historian myself I'm a classicist who reads broadly -
archaeology social history art etc

if your professor only saw a river of blood and used that as a metaphor ...ugh

history is not a river of blood its more like a tapestry for me!

The professor was a Holocaust specialist. I'm a specialist in Post-War Germany. There is always a danger, I think, of taking our ideals and applying them to broadly. There really isn't enough information out yet to condemn the SG1 game, but it's a little nieve to believe that it wouldn't contain any violence.

SG1 is a show about a military unit, and they do regularly mow down Jaffa by the hundreds it seems.

[gatelover12]

Dear all (mostly neith ) speaking from the point of view of a 13 year old male I MUST say you generalize too broadly. We are not all "hormonaly imblanced", ok we are but still we don't all act on it. First of all don't you think it's better to dive off a platform that's WAAAYYYY too high into a computer bank just to see yourself get electrocuted in a video game, than it is to try it? Or letting the borg assimilate you just to see the cool costume is better than getting perminent implants to achieve the same goal? In video games I can test my (feeble) skills against a person without hurting them. Besides in real life I can't watch a space parsite disintigrate from a phaser blast, or kick a 18 year olds butt at ANYTHING! Don't I derserve to feel the thrill of victory? But I would like to see a space-based RTS game for stargate, along the lines of the (great) ST armada II. With the asgard and the goa'uld and the replicators colonising and defending planets and mining resourses like naquaduh and trinium and researching new tech! But I regress just know that testosterone is meant to make males fight for dominence and that in a society that disapproves of men punching each other out (most of the time) to prove they are more geneticly sound and then hoping that a female will pick him and well you know (by the way the female makes the finale choice by accepting or blowing off a man) we men need an outlet... at least I do. P.s. i'm a republican and proud of it!

[Capt. Rivet]

I'm of the opinion that if you don't like the way the game is set up, don't buy it. If you don't wan't your kids playing it, then don't let them... and if you can't control your kids well enough to keep them from playing the game, then you shouldn't have had kids in the first place. I personally don't like people telling me that I'm not capable of distinguishing reality from fantasy solely because I happen to enjoy violent video games... I don't know about the rest of you, but I find it insulting to both my intelligence and my judgement when people assume that I can't think for myself. I'd also like to add that I'm most certainly not an overly aggressive teenage male (not male at all, in fact )...

[gatelover12]

Why must people blame teenage males for EVERYTHING what about those english girls who where arrested in england for bullying? Plus crimes among teenage girls are skyrocketing. So I think that even though teenage males are more likley to bullie and commit crime than girls of the same age, don't ALWAYS blame us. It's sexist! You always think of girls as nicer. But how is that not sexist huh? Perpetuating a female stareotype even if its positive is SEXIST. But no activists are assembeled to fight this grave injustice because no one beleaves a MALE least of all a WHITE MALE can be oppressed. Well we can and we are.