Originally posted by Skydiver
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Just don't mistake fanatics for people who really follow a religion (or otherwise) as their are fanatics on all sides...all beliefs and non-beliefs. Doesn't mean they speak (or even ARE) for their belief system.It feels good to be alive.
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very true. to me, being religious has less to do with where you pray than it does what you do.
I have first hand experience with a priest who has a girlfriend, i know of a girl who's 21, who's on her third child and says she cannot prevent the pregnancies because her religion doesn't permit birth control...yeah, well it sure as hades doesnt' permit premarital sex either but that doesn't seem to stop her
In other words, to me, religion isn't in the words you speak perse, but in your actions and attitudes
but this doesn't apply to the ori. the ori demand blind devotion and, as such, are fueled by people that do not think for themselves - or are too afraid to.
my personal beliefs lead me to be very skeptical of religions and very cynical, and that does color how i see the Ori storyline. It's nothing near what i call entertainment and i don't find the futility of fighting the fanatic to be appealing at all
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You stay on your side of the universe and we'll stay on ours.Originally posted by Skydiververy true. to me, being religious has less to do with where you pray than it does what you do.
I have first hand experience with a priest who has a girlfriend, i know of a girl who's 21, who's on her third child and says she cannot prevent the pregnancies because her religion doesn't permit birth control...yeah, well it sure as hades doesnt' permit premarital sex either but that doesn't seem to stop her
In other words, to me, religion isn't in the words you speak perse, but in your actions and attitudes
but this doesn't apply to the ori. the ori demand blind devotion and, as such, are fueled by people that do not think for themselves - or are too afraid to.
my personal beliefs lead me to be very skeptical of religions and very cynical, and that does color how i see the Ori storyline. It's nothing near what i call entertainment and i don't find the futility of fighting the fanatic to be appealing at all
you can't win. the best that can be hoped for is a stalemate
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yeah, but the ori won't do that. they won't respect others becaue they have this drive and need to 'convert' as many as possibleComment
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But at least the Ori aren't homophobic (yet), when they'll turn phelps then sci fi becomes your daily international and local reality.Originally posted by SkydiverSchool is overrated.
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intolerant fanaticism is still intolerant fanaticism
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Sad, but true...Originally posted by SkydiverComment
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that's why i don't find the Ori that interesting.
when shows get into this 'bigger villian, bigger villian, bigger villian' arms race, they keep getting more and more and more OTT until they reach a silliness level that beomes mockable.
I acknowledge the temptation to keep going for the bigger flash in the pan, but it creates an unsustainable situation. the bigger and more unbeatable the villian, the bigger and more unbelievable the 'fix' and things get more and more farcical
instead of making them bigger and badder, how about making the vilians more interesting? how about giving them more depth and more cause for what they do?
the ori and priors are just like the kull warriors...just without the armor
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I suppose we'll get some more explanations and perhaps more "human" face of the Ori in season 10. Let's wait and see...Originally posted by Skydiverthat's why i don't find the Ori that interesting.
when shows get into this 'bigger villian, bigger villian, bigger villian' arms race, they keep getting more and more and more OTT until they reach a silliness level that beomes mockable.
I acknowledge the temptation to keep going for the bigger flash in the pan, but it creates an unsustainable situation. the bigger and more unbeatable the villian, the bigger and more unbelievable the 'fix' and things get more and more farcical
instead of making them bigger and badder, how about making the vilians more interesting? how about giving them more depth and more cause for what they do?
the ori and priors are just like the kull warriors...just without the armor
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The Ori are new. They were introduced in season 9, as the Wraith were in season 1 Atlantis. No time for depth, and yet we saw Condemned, Instinct, Michael and Allies. Who says we won't seem deph of the Ori, after all it's pretty much the same TPTB.Originally posted by FormerhostSchool is overrated.
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The problem is that the Ori are that powerfull that there is NO way to logical win, except by a deus ex machina -> arthus ascended killer device, weapon, thingy, whatever.
That is bad story telling, especialy if you actually want to continue the story after the ultimate evil has been defeated.
What will you do then? pull out a new ultimate evil, that needs to be defeated by yet another plot device?
Season 6, the eye of ra
Season 7, the lost city
Season 8, the dakara device
Season 9+ merlins thingy
See a pattern there? it is bad writing, just topping one ueber evil with another and inventing another super weapon of doom to counter it.
After the Ori there will be no more enemy that can be bought in logicialy.
The end of the Ori plot is the end of at least sg1
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Agreed, TPTB should focus less on making more and more uberpowerful bad guys and focus more on giving enemies depth and character
That's what we want right: interesting enemies with complex relationships with the protagonists. Some of the best enemies are ones that you can relate to or have believable motives (rather than "mwahahaha we're so evil we want to enslave the universe")
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