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**Nolamom** · 31 July 2006, 10:04 AM

Welcome yugisgal!
Glad to have another member added to the shipper family

**natalia** · 31 July 2006, 10:40 AM

yeah i know this is from awhile back...but i just got home from my cottage...i have a week's worth of thread to catch up on!!

Originally posted by L.A. Doyle

I'm so gonna pre-order that book! It's not available here yet. I have a Barnes and Noble gift card...I'll get that, and Sally Malcom's book(s) as well. SQUEE!!!!

Stargate books! it never even occured to me! so what's the lowdown? what are some good shippy ones that i can look for? recomendations anyone?

thanks so much!

natalia

PS can't believe i missed ship day! I read the thread though and i have to say thanks for all the vids and fics and wallpapers! you guys are amazing! i can only wish i was so talented!

**RepliCartertje** · 31 July 2006, 10:42 AM

ooh work day is finally over...pff what a day
and what is it quiet here...is everyone fallen asleep?

**Sasusc** · 31 July 2006, 10:49 AM

Originally posted by Rachel500

Hmmm. This is one that I personally can't quite decide on in terms of the characters and likely reactions. For me, I think it comes down to the practicalities of it.

Both characters seem to come to the realisation in Threads that they are still in love with the other; Jack's 'always' gives Sam everything she needs to know about his feelings for her and she calls off her engagement because she has already come to the conclusion that Pete isn't who she wants to be; it also openly declares Jack's feelings as much as is possible given the situation.

And for me, Threads actually demonstrates nicely that actually Pete was Sam's rebound guy trying to move on from Jack. Personally, I've always believed that while Jack was hurt by the existence of Pete that he never blamed Sam for trying to move on - I think Jack was fully aware that he had given her no reason not to try to move on, that given their positions he couldn't offer her one and ultimately he simply wanted her to be happy. I think in Threads he suddenly gets that she isn't happy and that's why he tells her 'always' whereas up to that point he'd always tried to not to complicate things for her with Pete by expressing how he felt about her or her relationship. So I don't think past relationships would factor into how fast/slow their relationship would progress beyond Threads and in Threads I think they finally come to the conclusion that they have to do something about what's between them.

I agree in theory that there would be a period of adjustment; they love each other but aren't used to being in a romantic relationship together and they have so many years of hopes and expectations built around being together that they would need to work through. The reality may be better than they dreamed or different. However, whether this adjustment happens in a period of 'courting' or a 'marriage' I think comes down to the regulations.

For me this is the thing on which their relationship hinges: I can't see them together as a couple properly until the regs were resolved - why throw away everything after so much time? That for me is why Daniel and Teal'c are at the cabin in the fishing scene too - to make sure there isn't any hint of impropriety about Jack and Sam fishing together to the rest of the world given the regs are not resolved at that point.

If the situation with the regs since the end of S8 has been that they don't apply anymore then I can see them making the adjustment without the complication of marriage, although there may have been a 'promise' made for their future. But I can't see them 'wasting' too much time if it was going well, given the time they've already spent waiting to be with one another and the nature of their jobs especially since Sam's return to SG1.

On the other hand, I think if the regs had the potential to become a threat to their relationship again or they only had a short window of opportunity where they didn't apply, then I can see them getting married and making the adjustment with the complication that they are also a married couple.

From the hints we've had, it would seem unlikely that our Sam and Jack are married yet and if they are in a relationship are taking it slow

Spoiler:

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Nicely put. I couldn't say it better. I don't think Jack would have been mad at Sam for trying to move on with her life and try to find happiness. He always wanted her to be happy, and if he thought she was finding happiness with someone else, then he'd be happy for her. Who knows how long the war will be, and how long they would have to fight it.

And thanks to everyone for welcoming me!

**Nolamom** · 31 July 2006, 11:03 AM

Welcome sasusc!
Sorry I missed you earlier - I had to run out to school to check on rooms for my department staff. Glad to have you aboard!

**Sasusc** · 31 July 2006, 11:31 AM

Here's a thank you gift for everyone who welcomed me.

**Gate gal** · 31 July 2006, 12:06 PM

Originally posted by Sasusc

I truly wish this could be! I also wish TPTB would mention Sam and Jack in the same sentence . . .

Anyway, this is my first time posting in this thread. I tried to say away because I don't need much to feed my ship addiction. But what can I say? I'm weak. I eat a crumb and then I have to eat the whole cake.

And I also had to say I squeeled when I saw the slow motion kiss from Grace. Just what I needed.

WELCOME TO THE FAMILY!

We're all addicted too, so you're in good company!

**Gate gal** · 31 July 2006, 12:13 PM

Originally posted by RoryJ

Agreed. I seriously do not believe that the S/J ship will have any final resolution, at all, until the final episode. But I can still enjoy the crumbs!

It really makes sense to draw this out until the last possible moment. We shippers are such faithful viewers that most of us will stick it out in hope that love will conquer all, and they really enjoy playing with us. If they wait until the end to give us what we want then they won't anger the nonshippers as much (at least that's probably what they are thinking), and I'm not sure the nonshippers would stay as loyal as we have been. Hopeless (or should I say hopeful) romantics are loyal to a fault.

Edit: Let me say that "makes sense" does not mean it is what I personally want to see. I want ship, real ship, in season 10.

**Gate gal** · 31 July 2006, 12:29 PM

Originally posted by Rachel500

Hmmm. This is one that I personally can't quite decide on in terms of the characters and likely reactions. For me, I think it comes down to the practicalities of it.

Both characters seem to come to the realisation in Threads that they are still in love with the other; Jack's 'always' gives Sam everything she needs to know about his feelings for her and she calls off her engagement because she has already come to the conclusion that Pete isn't who she wants to be; it also openly declares Jack's feelings as much as is possible given the situation.

And for me, Threads actually demonstrates nicely that actually Pete was Sam's rebound guy trying to move on from Jack. Personally, I've always believed that while Jack was hurt by the existence of Pete that he never blamed Sam for trying to move on - I think Jack was fully aware that he had given her no reason not to try to move on, that given their positions he couldn't offer her one and ultimately he simply wanted her to be happy. I think in Threads he suddenly gets that she isn't happy and that's why he tells her 'always' whereas up to that point he'd always tried to not to complicate things for her with Pete by expressing how he felt about her or her relationship. So I don't think past relationships would factor into how fast/slow their relationship would progress beyond Threads and in Threads I think they finally come to the conclusion that they have to do something about what's between them.

I agree in theory that there would be a period of adjustment; they love each other but aren't used to being in a romantic relationship together and they have so many years of hopes and expectations built around being together that they would need to work through. The reality may be better than they dreamed or different. However, whether this adjustment happens in a period of 'courting' or a 'marriage' I think comes down to the regulations.

For me this is the thing on which their relationship hinges: I can't see them together as a couple properly until the regs were resolved - why throw away everything after so much time? That for me is why Daniel and Teal'c are at the cabin in the fishing scene too - to make sure there isn't any hint of impropriety about Jack and Sam fishing together to the rest of the world given the regs are not resolved at that point.

If the situation with the regs since the end of S8 has been that they don't apply anymore then I can see them making the adjustment without the complication of marriage, although there may have been a 'promise' made for their future. But I can't see them 'wasting' too much time if it was going well, given the time they've already spent waiting to be with one another and the nature of their jobs especially since Sam's return to SG1.

On the other hand, I think if the regs had the potential to become a threat to their relationship again or they only had a short window of opportunity where they didn't apply, then I can see them getting married and making the adjustment with the complication that they are also a married couple.

From the hints we've had, it would seem unlikely that our Sam and Jack are married yet and if they are in a relationship are taking it slow

Spoiler:

.

I have to agree with you about Pete. His arrival so quickly after Grace and her reactions in Threads prove he was the rebound, not Jack. I don't think they are married yet, and, honestly, I'm not sure they are in a "relationship" so to speak. I think they have talked, shared their feelings, and promised to wait for each other.

Spoiler:

If they are together already then I want flashbacks. I don't want to be cheated out of their relationship. I guess I'd get over not seeing them get together,because all that really matters is that they are happy and together.

**Gate gal** · 31 July 2006, 12:40 PM

Originally posted by Nolamom

Welcome Krystina!
Yes, we are all hoping for something nice in 200.

Yes, and welcome yougisgal and any newbies that I've missed! Wow, this is a lot of new people! Did ship day draw you out or was it the Delurk project?

**Sam_o_Neill** · 31 July 2006, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Nolamom

Brad snuck a spoiler into his off-topic thread about 200...

Spoiler:

Now, he's a very bad boy, and probably should be spanked. muahahaha

oooh I'm not really sure what to make of that its pretty confusing but I can't wait for 200 now!!!!!

I hope they finally show us some real ship!!!

When does 200 air again??? i keep forgetting..

**Nolamom** · 31 July 2006, 12:49 PM

August 18th...hard to wait

**Sam_o_Neill** · 31 July 2006, 12:50 PM

ooh the day after my exam results... it better be good! i'll need cheering up!

**Gatetrixer** · 31 July 2006, 01:11 PM

Originally posted by Rachel500

Hmmm. This is one that I personally can't quite decide on in terms of the characters and likely reactions. For me, I think it comes down to the practicalities of it.

Both characters seem to come to the realisation in Threads that they are still in love with the other; Jack's 'always' gives Sam everything she needs to know about his feelings for her and she calls off her engagement because she has already come to the conclusion that Pete isn't who she wants to be; it also openly declares Jack's feelings as much as is possible given the situation.

And for me, Threads actually demonstrates nicely that actually Pete was Sam's rebound guy trying to move on from Jack. Personally, I've always believed that while Jack was hurt by the existence of Pete that he never blamed Sam for trying to move on - I think Jack was fully aware that he had given her no reason not to try to move on, that given their positions he couldn't offer her one and ultimately he simply wanted her to be happy. I think in Threads he suddenly gets that she isn't happy and that's why he tells her 'always' whereas up to that point he'd always tried to not to complicate things for her with Pete by expressing how he felt about her or her relationship. So I don't think past relationships would factor into how fast/slow their relationship would progress beyond Threads and in Threads I think they finally come to the conclusion that they have to do something about what's between them.

I agree in theory that there would be a period of adjustment; they love each other but aren't used to being in a romantic relationship together and they have so many years of hopes and expectations built around being together that they would need to work through. The reality may be better than they dreamed or different. However, whether this adjustment happens in a period of 'courting' or a 'marriage' I think comes down to the regulations.

For me this is the thing on which their relationship hinges: I can't see them together as a couple properly until the regs were resolved - why throw away everything after so much time? That for me is why Daniel and Teal'c are at the cabin in the fishing scene too - to make sure there isn't any hint of impropriety about Jack and Sam fishing together to the rest of the world given the regs are not resolved at that point.

If the situation with the regs since the end of S8 has been that they don't apply anymore then I can see them making the adjustment without the complication of marriage, although there may have been a 'promise' made for their future. But I can't see them 'wasting' too much time if it was going well, given the time they've already spent waiting to be with one another and the nature of their jobs especially since Sam's return to SG1.

On the other hand, I think if the regs had the potential to become a threat to their relationship again or they only had a short window of opportunity where they didn't apply, then I can see them getting married and making the adjustment with the complication that they are also a married couple.

From the hints we've had, it would seem unlikely that our Sam and Jack are married yet and if they are in a relationship are taking it slow

Spoiler:

.

Of course we have to go by what's on screen, which would be canon, but

Spoiler:

. I also have to smile everytime I read "Ripple Effect." Ripple was (or is) a term for a cheap wine or cheap wine mixed with something stronger. I remember Fred Sanford mentioning Ripple. So a "Ripple Effect" makes me think "stinking drunk." Just an aside.

Another excellent analytical post by you. BTW, in your list of shippy moments, IIRC, the look between Sam and Jack near the beginning of Gemini was not in there. The one where Jack leans over from Sam's side and she suddenly looks at him and their eyes lock. Like I said, IIRC.

Jus

**Gatetrixer** · 31 July 2006, 01:26 PM

The regs. Well, everyone has a right to believe that they still apply (not not) but if something isn't done soon to remove that impediment to a relationship between Sam and Jack, by the time they are free to have one, Sam will be spiking Jack's beer with Viagra.

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