Did I Just See Weir In The Commercial For Season 5?!?!?!

[Reiko]

true but s4 had higher viewers numbers than s3. those are the facts

» It's creative math, and IMO it's rubbish. The ratings for the fourth season include those inane "seven day figures" and the "plus" and whatnot. Utter garbage, I might say. Going by old school, if you didn't watch it on Friday night when it first aired, it doesn't count. And, not to mention that the third season same-day ratings were higher on average, which means the silly "seven day figures" for season three were higher on average as well.

» But, whatever convinces people the cast changes didn't effect viewership.

[Jumper_One]

» It's creative math, and IMO it's rubbish.

um no those are the facts

The ratings for the fourth season include those inane "seven day figures" and the "plus" and whatnot.

I'm talking about viewers live +sd, not live +7

Utter garbage, I might say.

nope

Going by old school, if you didn't watch it on Friday night when it first aired, it doesn't count. And, not to mention that the third season same-day ratings were higher on average, which means the silly "seven day figures" for season three were higher on average as well.

true but I wasn't talking about the live +7 ratings

» But, whatever convinces people the cast changes didn't effect viewership.

you're right cast changes do indeed affect viewership but change can also be positive

[Reiko]

um no those are the facts

» I don't think there are any objective facts in this case.

I'm talking about viewers live +sd, not live +7

» Is this not counting the cheaters who watch twice in the same day? How about ratings in the UK and Canada? How about those without Nielsen boxes?

» Then how about overall ratings:

Spoiler:

you're right cast changes do indeed affect viewership but change can also be positive

» Positive/negative is subjective, as to one something can always be positive.

[IrishPisano]

do all these ratings mean Weir is still part of the show?




lol

[jelgate]

Ratings have and always will be subjective. People have been misleading stats for years why would ratings be any different? The fact is people are always spinning these number in favor and disfavor a show

[IrishPisano]

Ratings have and always will be subjective. People have been misleading stats for years why would ratings be any different? The fact is people are always spinning these number in favor and disfavor a show

so wait... is weir in season 5 or not?

what do the ratings say about her?

[Jumper_One]

» I don't think there are any objective facts in this case.

how so?

» Is this not counting the cheaters who watch twice in the same day? How about ratings in the UK and Canada? How about those without Nielsen boxes?

we're talking about US citizens with Nielsen boxes

» Then how about overall ratings:

Spoiler:

um yeah so? higher ratings don't necessarily mean more viewers

301 NML -> 1.54, 1.9 million viewers (after live +7)
401 Adrift -> 1.41, 2 million viewers (after live +7)

320 FS -> 1.5, just under 2 million viewers (for live +sd)
420 TLM -> 1.5, 2.1 million viewers (for live +sd)

btw if you want to discuss ratings and viewers I suggest should check out the ratings thread

» Positive/negative is subjective, as to one something can always be positive.

true but higher viewer numbers are positive

do all these ratings mean Weir is still part of the show?




lol

so wait... is weir in season 5 or not?

what do the ratings say about her?

Weir (or at least her conscience) is, Torri isn't

[jelgate]

so wait... is weir in season 5 or not?

what do the ratings say about her?

No

The off topic ratings arguement is about if Weir's departure helped or hurt the show My opinion is we will never know due to the subjective nature of ratings

[Jumper_One]

No

The off topic ratings arguement is about if Weir's departure helped or hurt the show My opinion is we will never know due to the subjective nature of ratings

the numbers improved. we'll never know if this was because of Weir or any other character but you can't change the facts

[Briangate78]

» Going by old school, if you didn't watch it on Friday night when it first aired, it doesn't count.

»

Sure tell Nielsen and SCI FI that it doesn't count.

When you compare apples to apples aka Live + 7 to Live + 7, Season 4 averaged more viewers than Season 3. That is a fact and not a spin. Since some people stress that "Live" viewers only count. Season 4.5 averaged more "live" viewers than Season 3.5!

Don't look at the ratings point from 3 years ago. They don't mean the same thing. A 1.5 back when Season 3 aired did not weigh as much as a 1.5 now.

Edit: I'm not trying to be a jerk, but when I have done the research and have actually seen the numbers it makes it a little hard to swallow the accusations.

[Reiko]

» I think I'll just stick to what jelly says. We'll never know for sure, as is the case in this entanglement of numbers.

[jenks]

Even if you completely ignore the ratings, season 4 drew more viewers, that much is fact.

[IrishPisano]

Even if you completely ignore the ratings, season 4 drew more viewers, that much is fact.

so does that mean Weir's in season 5 or not?

[Alipeeps]

so does that mean Weir's in season 5 or not?

This question has been answered several times now - to all intents and purposes, Weir is NOT in Season 5. Torri certainly isn't. TPTB are going to wrap up the storyline and make reference to Weir or Weir's consciousness but we won't SEE Weir at all - or if we do it'll be her "consciousness" inside a different looking replicator. The character of Weir as we know it is gone.

The clips in the promo were from Season 2 and Skiffy included them in the promo because they looked good and dramatic and because their promo monkeys are idiots.

[IrishPisano]

This question has been answered several times now - to all intents and purposes, Weir is NOT in Season 5. Torri certainly isn't. TPTB are going to wrap up the storyline and make reference to Weir or Weir's consciousness but we won't SEE Weir at all - or if we do it'll be her "consciousness" inside a different looking replicator. The character of Weir as we know it is gone.

The clips in the promo were from Season 2 and Skiffy included them in the promo because they looked good and dramatic and because their promo monkeys are idiots.

cool... i was just wondering what the ratings discussion was for... hardly seemed on-topic