Originally posted by Linzi
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In the 2 hours and 14 minutes that Torri Higginson was online, there were 272 posts in the Elizabeth Weir Wow Thread. I was responsible for 2 of them. (Oh yeah and Gateworld crashed, but that's not important)
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Totally on topic but completely off subject (make sense??)... I wandered into the S/T thread and saw a post comparing what we saw in Sateda with what we saw in TLG:
Spoiler:John had the gameboy in his hand, and instead of even sparing Weir a glance, I mean even a worth of his time, he blatantly focuses his entire concentration the game and just gives a few mumbled responses. To me not only is it rude for someone to do that to another person (that would make me livid to the point of ripping it out of his hand and tossing it), it also shows a lack of interest and relative disregard for the other. I do feel John and Elizabeth are good friends, so maybe he's pretty comfortable in doing rude things.
With Teyla, once she asked to speak to him, he took the time out not to only close the game but also put it away.
ETA: I'm not asking for Sparky insights into the TLG scene...I know we've discussed that to death! I was more drawn to the comparison between the eps.
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Originally posted by MarblesTotally on topic but completely off subject (make sense??)... I wandered into the S/T thread and saw a post comparing what we saw in Sateda with what we saw in TLG:
I am not Sheyla bashing!! The argument intrigued me..... Wondering what y'all think.....
ETA: I'm not asking for Sparky insights into the TLG scene...I know we've discussed that to death! I was more drawn to the comparison between the eps.
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My take on those two scenes is that context is everything.
The Long GoodbyeSpoiler:John and Elizabeth had both been terribly compromised and had nearly killed each other. And yeah, the kiss would have been embarrassing because it was forced, and it was used to trick the others. They were both rather mortified about everything that had happened.
SatedaSpoiler:There was awkwardness here, but neither of them had just tried to kill the other or anything. There had been no alien possession and nothing that would cause a lot of drama between them. The fact that there was awkwardness here says a lot more about how very far apart Sheppard and Teyla are than the awkwardness in the above scene.
Apples and oranges, if you ask me. You can compare the end of Conversion with the end of The Long Goodbye, but comparing that scene in Sateda with the end of The Long Goodbye is ignoring a whole lot of context and coming at the scene from entirely the wrong angle.Mirror, Mirror: Melyanna's multi-fandom fic site
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Originally posted by FoolishPleasureI thought Shep was too embarrassed about the kiss to look Weir in the eye, and frankly I don't even remember Teyla being in that scene. I just remember Caldwell making a remark and leaving, but I've only seen that episode once. *shrugs*Spoiler:Her reaction was basically the same when she looked away and slid down in the bed.
In Sateda,Spoiler:though John was hesitant, I don't think it was because he was embarassed, just that he has trouble expressing any sort of emotions. And of course he was looking at Tayla then, they were talking while eating together. And he was responding to her thanks for going after Ronan and how he and Elizabeth made them both feel part of Atlantis.DDC
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I echo everyone's thoughts. It was just an angle I had never thought of before, and I thought it strange that out of all that happened in both those scenes, this person focused on the fact that JohnSpoiler:put away the "Solitare" when Teyla came in but not with Liz.
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Originally posted by LinziSpoilers ahead for Common Ground and Phantoms. Only read if you really don't mind being spoiled!
Spoiler:CG is the episode where Kolya captures Sheppard and imprisons him next door to a Wraith who slowly sucks the life out of Sheppard. I have a scanned piccie from a scifi mag of old Shep if you want me to post it, but it is not nice! There's no backstory in CG, but plently of action as Shep fights the Wraith in hand to hand combat.
Phantoms as Josie has said, is indeed the Sheppard backstory episode, with insights into what happened to Sheppard in Afghanistan. There's also supposed to be some sort of Wraith technology influencing team members, but I don't know how reliable that rumour is.
Spoiler:We get some shots of Liz being concerned and trying to save him
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Originally posted by MelyannaMy take on those two scenes is that context is everything.
The Long GoodbyeSpoiler:John and Elizabeth had both been terribly compromised and had nearly killed each other. And yeah, the kiss would have been embarrassing because it was forced, and it was used to trick the others. They were both rather mortified about everything that had happened.
SatedaSpoiler:There was awkwardness here, but neither of them had just tried to kill the other or anything. There had been no alien possession and nothing that would cause a lot of drama between them. The fact that there was awkwardness here says a lot more about how very far apart Sheppard and Teyla are than the awkwardness in the above scene.
Apples and oranges, if you ask me. You can compare the end of Conversion with the end of The Long Goodbye, but comparing that scene in Sateda with the end of The Long Goodbye is ignoring a whole lot of context and coming at the scene from entirely the wrong angle.
Seriously, there's not much to compare between the two scenes, one's about an awkward alien possession that lead to weird kiss and the other's about friendship.
Originally posted by TrialiaIt really isn't that tight anymore, judging by the numbers. If you check out LJ, Yahoo, forums, fanlistings... Sparky is the #1 followed 'ship for this show and McShep is #2. It makes me chuckle when people say "oh but they're just numbers, those people are twisting them for their own devices!!"... because the simple fact is, that we don't have to.
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On the subject of the comparision of the two scenes by the Sheylas, this is why I avoid their thread. If you are so confident in your ship, and in no way are threatened by Elizabeth, then why make the comparison? Why even bring her into the discussion. I would think after the near marriage proposal they got in Sateda that they would be over the moon and only talking about positive things. I know we would be under similar circumstances.
I agree that it's apples and oranges. Heck it's vegetables and fruit, dogs and screwdrivers. Let's not forget that John knew exactly the second that Elizabeth woke up even though he was supposedly concentrating on his solitaire game. And we don't need shippy glasses at any time for any reason!
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Originally posted by Southern RedOn the subject of the comparision of the two scenes by the Sheylas, this is why I avoid their thread. If you are so confident in your ship, and in no way are threatened by Elizabeth, then why make the comparison?
Let's not forget that John knew exactly the second that Elizabeth woke up even though he was supposedly concentrating on his solitaire game. And we don't need shippy glasses at any time for any reason!sigpic
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