Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[gateraid]

*snorts*



There's another one! Imagine Elizabeth teaching Teyla the Wraith language in preparation for Teyla's masquerade in "The Queen." That would've been awesome!

I hadn't even considered that, but you're right, it would've been. They don't actually speak Wraith (the Wraith themselves) that much at all, do they?

The importance of the mission is only one part of the equation; you're forgetting about the size of the force. In Season 1, the expedition only numbered about 200, most of whom were scientists, which went up to around 300-400 by the end of the series (probably around 150-200 military). That's on the low end of the size of force a Lt. Colonel or full-bird Colonel would be expected to command. There's a couple of charts that show it better than I can describe it; one on armies (which more or less also applies to the Marines), and one on air forces.

Remembering that the units in the Stargate program may be staffed to a minimum to avoid attracting attention from those who aren't supposed to know they exist, Stargate Command probably is around the size of a USAF Wing (and likely gets a two-star instead of a one-star because of its top secret nature); by comparison, Atlantis's military probably is only about the size of a USAF Squadron.

I agree with you on most of that, it's perfectly logical. I was meaning in terms of, for lack of a better description, institutional knowledge. Sure, it makes sense for a Colonel (Carter), or Lt Col (Shep) to be in charge of that number of people, but given the responsibility involved (protecting Earth), maybe someone a little higher up the pecking order should at least be involved. After all, in theory, Dr Weir or Woolsey have 'discretionary authority' over other vessels, such as the Deadalus or Apollo, which are stacked with military personel. Also, in terms of secrecy, they have five Deadalus class ships (the one that was destroyed?? in EatG, Deadalus, Apollo, Odyssey, Hammond), all with military personal - I imagine it'd be harder to keep that a secret than the existence of Atlantis.
It doesn't really matter anyway, they went with a Colonel and a Major initially, mostly to keep the age and experience down I suspect

[Scary Kitty]

Also, think of this - when people who know John, but haven't met Nancy get to know her, they will inevitably learn something about John too, especially when they see how Nancy is treating John. Perhaps we can draw interesting parallels between John7Nancy and John/Elizabeth dynamic?

It's possible; we're not planning to have Nancy appear in anything beyond the first episode, but who knows, we may find when we get to later in the season that there might come an instance where she could show up on Atlantis.

I hadn't even considered that, but you're right, it would've been. They don't actually speak Wraith (the Wraith themselves) that much at all, do they?

Yeah, for the most part, the Wraith don't seem to speak among themselves all that much. We've seen it a few times in episodes like 'No Man's Land' and 'The Queen.' Perhaps for important discussions, like Queen to Queen or Queen to her second, it happens more often.

I agree with you on most of that, it's perfectly logical. I was meaning in terms of, for lack of a better description, institutional knowledge. Sure, it makes sense for a Colonel (Carter), or Lt Col (Shep) to be in charge of that number of people, but given the responsibility involved (protecting Earth), maybe someone a little higher up the pecking order should at least be involved. After all, in theory, Dr Weir or Woolsey have 'discretionary authority' over other vessels, such as the Deadalus or Apollo, which are stacked with military personel. Also, in terms of secrecy, they have five Deadalus class ships (the one that was destroyed?? in EatG, Deadalus, Apollo, Odyssey, Hammond), all with military personal - I imagine it'd be harder to keep that a secret than the existence of Atlantis.
It doesn't really matter anyway, they went with a Colonel and a Major initially, mostly to keep the age and experience down I suspect

Well, even the institutional knowledge argument is problematic. Again, if the SGC snaps up too many experienced people, those who aren't cleared to know about the program may start asking inconvenient questions about what's going on and getting themselves and the program into trouble. They can't afford to do it the way you suggest. It's all about containment and keeping those who aren't supposed to know about it from finding out. The less who know, the safer everyone is.

[Erin87]

Hey guys - did you already put Kavanaugh into Slytherin? +Cause I can definitely see him there Also, who gets to be Voldemort?

Oh yes, Kavanaugh has definitely been put into Slytherin already.

Michael for Voldemort? Too bad Anubis from SG-1 isn't around anymore, he'd be perfect!

[Lt.Colonel John Sheppard]

Oh yes, Kavanaugh has definitely been put into Slytherin already.

Michael for Voldemort? Too bad Anubis from SG-1 isn't around anymore, he'd be perfect!

They were both over the top cliched bad guys. Yet Anubis had those kull warriors so those could be considered death eaters.

[Scary Kitty]

Hmm, Anubis did have that annoying habit of coming back from the dead to wreak havoc with our heroes, so... yeah, Anubis could work.

[Infinite-Possibilities]

You know I never managed to read past the beginning of the fourth Harry Potter novel but I suspect there is going to come a point when direct comparisons of SGA to Harry Potter might start to break down.

[Scary Kitty]

You know I never managed to read past the beginning of the fourth Harry Potter novel but I suspect there is going to come a point when direct comparisons of SGA to Harry Potter might start to break down.

Join the dark side. You know you want to! LOL!

[ShipperWriter]

Do you mean this hair?

Spoiler:

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:simon: Elizabeth, I've met someone else


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:elizabeth: Ah, I see. Oh well, no hard feelings? What's his name?

:simon: Him? I've met another woman!

:elizabeth: Hahahahaha, that's a good one!! Not with that hair you didn't. Which one are you, the pitcher or the catcher?

:simon: cries, runs away

:elizabeth: Catcher, definitely

OMG.

Haircut, anyone???

BTW, which eppy are those pics from? Seem familiar but can't place them.

And I know it's short, but it's better than nothing:

Of Detectives and Doctors Chapter 8, albeit a short one, is up.

Enjoy!

The plot line will resume next chapter!

[Scary Kitty]

OMG.

Haircut, anyone???

BTW, which eppy are those pics from? Seem familiar but can't place them.

Season 2's "The Intruder." It's from the flashback scenes.

And I know it's short, but it's better than nothing:

Of Detectives and Doctors Chapter 8, albeit a short one, is up.

Enjoy!

The plot line will resume next chapter!

Awwww, Sedge! *squees* I always like seeing Sedge!

Ooooh, Jack is in sooooo much trouble! And so will John, if he doesn't get Jack there in time! Ahahahaha!

[Scary Kitty]

And in case anyone is wondering, no, I am not watching the USC/Oregon State game. I can't stand to watch. *cringes*

[ShipperWriter]

Season 2's "The Intruder." It's from the flashback scenes.

Awwww, Sedge! *squees* I always like seeing Sedge!

Ooooh, Jack is in sooooo much trouble! And so will John, if he doesn't get Jack there in time! Ahahahaha!

Thanks! I went back and read the transcripts so I found that. And I gotta say, I like the alternate scene ALOT better. Elizabeth FTW!!!

[Scary Kitty]

Thanks! I went back and read the transcripts so I found that. And I gotta say, I like the alternate scene ALOT better. Elizabeth FTW!!!

Ohhh yeah! gateraid always comes up with some great snarkage!

[mandogater]

I'd never thought about it until you said that, but are the majority of the expedition Marines? Ford, Lorne, Sumner, Everett, a good chunk of the s1 off-world teams, were all Marines. Shep was chosen for his gene, not his piloting ability or military branch.

Wasn't Lorne wearing an Air Force dress uniform at the end of Sunday?

[Scary Kitty]

Wasn't Lorne wearing an Air Force dress uniform at the end of Sunday?

*goes back to reread gateraid's post and headdesks* How the heck did my eyes skip over that? Good catch, mandogater, and you're absolutely right, Lorne is in the Air Force.

[Anuna]

It's possible; we're not planning to have Nancy appear in anything beyond the first episode, but who knows, we may find when we get to later in the season that there might come an instance where she could show up on Atlantis.

Oooops. I somehow got the idea we're going to have her around in later eps, especially when Eri mentioned Mayel?