What if it wasnt an Intrepid in the delta quadrant

[Annoyed]

What the? - Sorry, but Janeway (who had inconsistent writing, for example it's ok to bend or break the Prime Directive if SHE DOES IT, but it's not ok if Tuvok or Paris do it!) is NOT the best captain!

Frankly all of the on screen captains have tons of flaws!

Janeway wasn't the only captain to play fast & loose with the Prime Directive. Kirk did so on numerous occasions. It was ignored often enough where I think the real purpose of the PD was to force a captain to think twice before doing something.

[Gatefan1976]

Y'all remember that the Intrepid was tasked with hunting down the Marquis based on the fact that they hid in the Badlands where the plasma storms would rip these larger, less manuverable ships apart, right?
.............Right???

[mad_gater]

What the? - Sorry, but Janeway (who had inconsistent writing, for example it's ok to bend or break the Prime Directive if SHE DOES IT, but it's not ok if Tuvok or Paris do it!) is NOT the best captain!

Frankly all of the on screen captains have tons of flaws!

Picard is too rigid with his principals, Janeway is too used to Starfleet regulations that she clings to them in situations they were NOT writen for, Sisko is to prone to lashing out if something doesn't go his way (remember that Eddington guy he chased and those poisoned planets? Damned war-criminal!), Archer doesn't have the experience (his ship would be blown to pieces by the Kazon even without calling in their big dreadnought that nearly annihilated both Voyager and the Valjean!) and is arrogant (same for Picard who often sits on his high horse of moral superiority, same goes for Sisko, too (till "In a pale Moonlight")) etc. etc.

Hell, if I had to select a captain I would probably either send Edward Jellico (he's a military man who will negotiate, but isn't afraid to get his hands dirty!) or Riker (well: Thomas Riker, the tansporter clone who joined the Maquis!)

As for the ship?

I would love a Galaxy-Class (if we really have to do this by production date, meaning that only one Sovereign-Class ship could end up in the Delta Quadrant: The USS Sovereign itself!) or a Sovereign-Class...but if we disregard the date? Give me the USS Prometheus multi-vector-attack-ship

Why a Galaxy or Sovereign?

- Size (more room to store anti-matter and grow food!)
- Weaponry (more phasers and more power (better sustained fire!) and more torpedos - hopefully some quantum torpedos!)
- Defensive Systems (better shields - if Prometheus-Class: Regenerative Shields, meaning you have to continuously pound them to break through because they regenerate between hits!)
- More crew (and no Families if it's during the Dominion War!)
- Better sustained speed (yes: Voyager is faster, but not for long because they have to re-fuel more often, so even if the ship is slower it has a better sustained speed!)
- More and better shuttles (Runabouts - no need for a Delta Flyer, hell maybe even some attack fighters because the Galaxy-Class probably carried them into fights (can't have the crew on them long-term, they'd go crazy!))
- Enemies would be less likely to attack (the Kazon would be afraid for example!)
- Better replicators (a Galaxy-Class carries industrial replicators - does Voyager?)
- More Holodecs (can use one to train your security force better, while still having the others for the crew!)
- Better creature comforts
- Space for upgrades
- etc. etc.

Also: If I had a larger ship and most of the crew survived? I'd get some more ships (make a small fleet, for better survival!)...hell, I have this idea stuck in my head of taking over or stealing one of those super-large Kazon ships (like the one from the pilot-episode!) and upgrading it to Federation technology...or building two Defiant-Class ships as escorts for my Galaxy or Sovereign

greetings LAX
ps: A Steamrunner (torpedo barrages would annihilate almost everything ) or Akira (Fighters and better weapons than an Intrepid and a larger crew, too!) would be interesting, too - as would an upgraded (Lakota-Refit!) Excelsior-Class

of course Archer's ship was getting shot up all the time....as one of the first few starfleet vessels out there his rattletrap NX-class was encountering enemies fielding technology at least a century ahead of their own....about the only thin the NX-class ever fought effectively were Nausicaan (sp?) pirates

[mad_gater]

Y'all remember that the Intrepid was tasked with hunting down the Marquis based on the fact that they hid in the Badlands where the plasma storms would rip these larger, less manuverable ships apart, right?
.............Right???

I think the writing was inconsistent for the Intrepid-class....it's supposed to be able to root around in the badlands yet seemed to have trouble battling an old D7-class (or possibly K't'inga-class) that still thought the war was going on (granted the old Klingon cruiser they encountered was employing the "cloak-open fire-recloak before the enemy can get a bead on us" tactic, necessitating an anti-proton scan to penetrate the antiquated cloaking tech they were using). And also didn't seem to be able to defend itself very well against mere pirates and yet were able go toe-to-toe with the Borg.

[SoulReaver]

in terms of fighting prowess the Voyager was one of the most inconsistent it could almost match a borg ship (except in episode One where the borg were briefly restored to their former badassness) yet had trouble with cardassian ships (like that giant warhead-ship)

and big loss of respect for Janeway after her negotiations with 8472 (that episode where the aliens masquerade as humans) Kirk Picard or Sisko would've fared much better

[LtColCarter]

and big loss of respect for Janeway after her negotiations with 8472 (that episode where the aliens masquerade as humans) Kirk Picard or Sisko would've fared much better

Explain please!

[SoulReaver]

Explain please!

the 8472 leader demanded that Janeway give them the blueprints for those nanoprobes & in return she asks them for their genetic alteration tech

so basically the aliens get Starfleet weapons tech (the only thing that's effective against them at that which leaves a gaping plothole) and Janeway gets...alien medical tech? dumbest business deal ever
why didn't she ask them for their own weaponry instead (like those super powerful "yellow-lightning" weapons on their bioships)

[mad_gater]

the 8472 leader demanded that Janeway give them the blueprints for those nanoprobes & in return she asks them for their genetic alteration tech

so basically the aliens get Starfleet weapons tech (the only thing that's effective against them at that which leaves a gaping plothole) and Janeway gets...alien medical tech? dumbest business deal ever
why didn't she ask them for their own weaponry instead (like those super powerful "yellow-lightning" weapons on their bioships)

Inclined to agree with you on this score (watches Satan shiver as the temp in Hell drops)

Janeway should've just sat back and let Species 8472 clobber the Borg or even attempted to make an alliance with 8472 then

[mad_gater]

in terms of fighting prowess the Voyager was one of the most inconsistent it could almost match a borg ship (except in episode One where the borg were briefly restored to their former badassness) yet had trouble with cardassian ships (like that giant warhead-ship)

and big loss of respect for Janeway after her negotiations with 8472 (that episode where the aliens masquerade as humans) Kirk Picard or Sisko would've fared much better

Well the Cardassians did have their moments of engineering brilliance. Those weapons platforms of theirs, when active, were tearing up the allied fleet like crazy (including tearing some sizable chunks out of Galaxy-class starships which means that those platforms were packing probably at least twice, if not 3 or 4 times the firepower of a Galor-class warship) when they were trying to take the Chintoka (sp?) system. Stands to reason that ANY Federation starship probably would've had trouble with that giant warhead too. As I recall its armor was pretty heavily resistant against phaser fire and its return fire packed quite a wallop.

[SoulReaver]

actually the alliance with the borg was one of Janeway's good ideas (although virtual Leo Da Vinci helped her get this idea) if they'd done it Chakotay's way & sat back 8472 would've destroyed the borg & then the rest of the galaxy would've been defenceless

and an alliance with 8472 instead was clearly out of the question (as in not possible) after what they did to Kim

Well the Cardassians did have their moments of engineering brilliance. Those weapons platforms of theirs

and that's another plothole - how the hell did they acquire those turrets? in TnG the first time the cardassians are shown they're no match for Starfleet warships (USS Phoenix) then all of a sudden in DS9 they get almost borg-level weaponry?

[mad_gater]

actually the alliance with the borg was one of Janeway's good ideas (although virtual Leo Da Vinci helped her get this idea) if they'd done it Chakotay's way & sat back 8472 would've destroyed the borg & then the rest of the galaxy would've been defenceless

and an alliance with 8472 instead was clearly out of the question (as in not possible) after what they did to Kim

and that's another plothole - how the hell did they acquire those turrets? in TnG the first time the cardassians are shown they're no match for Starfleet warships (USS Phoenix) then all of a sudden in DS9 they get almost borg-level weaponry?

The weapons platforms were clearly of Cardassian design and manufacture....so like I said....they had some moments of brilliance but were otherwise stagnant

[Gatefan1976]

actually the alliance with the borg was one of Janeway's good ideas (although virtual Leo Da Vinci helped her get this idea) if they'd done it Chakotay's way & sat back 8472 would've destroyed the borg & then the rest of the galaxy would've been defenceless

and an alliance with 8472 instead was clearly out of the question (as in not possible) after what they did to Kim

and that's another plothole - how the hell did they acquire those turrets? in TnG the first time the cardassians are shown they're no match for Starfleet warships (USS Phoenix) then all of a sudden in DS9 they get almost borg-level weaponry?

Time, and the central command has taken over the Detpa council as the rulers of the Cardassian union.

[LtColCarter]

the 8472 leader demanded that Janeway give them the blueprints for those nanoprobes & in return she asks them for their genetic alteration tech

so basically the aliens get Starfleet weapons tech (the only thing that's effective against them at that which leaves a gaping plothole) and Janeway gets...alien medical tech? dumbest business deal ever
why didn't she ask them for their own weaponry instead (like those super powerful "yellow-lightning" weapons on their bioships)

I can see that. I just don't usually over analyze shows. I mainly watch for entertainment purposes.

[SoulReaver]

the central command has taken over the Detpa council as the rulers of the Cardassian union.

been a while since ds9 but how does it explain how the cardassians made such a huge leap forward?

I can see that. I just don't usually over analyze shows. I mainly watch for entertainment purposes.

hey those were borg busting weapons in fact I remember when I watched that ep saying "no you dumb #$%$ get their weapons instead"
that would've been entertaining to see Voyager in action with those weapons (though I guess would've made them the most powerful ship in the galaxy)

[Gatefan1976]

been a while since ds9 but how does it explain how the cardassians made such a huge leap forward?

The entire Union went from civilian control to military control, so military R&D would accelerate exponentially.