What if it wasnt an Intrepid in the delta quadrant

[Stewart5]

The warp factor scale is non-linear, so yeah, there could be a really big difference between 9.2 and 9.7

Go me. i thought I knew something.....

[Ncc-72452]

If I remeber my theory correctly, the differenc ebetween warp 9.2 and 9.7 is actually really big. I know it sounds like they should be really close, but there is a difference.



I got that Star Trek files things a few years ago....you know, one of them weekly fan magazine things. It said the Akira class was a carrier/cruiser (could fulfil both) I think. I'll check on that. But c the flat bit in the bow, like on the NX enterprise, well, unlike the NX, on the akira its a large hangar bay equipped with federation fighters. That's were they whipped them all out of during the Dominion war. The Akira and Thunderchild, I believe, came along with all the guns ever AND fighter craft! Kinda like the Daeddy of the Trek universe

Yup, you are correct in that,

Warp 9.2 = 1,649c
Warp 9.6 = 1,909c
Warp 9.7 = ~2149c (based on my own calculations)
Warp 9.9 = 3,053c

There is a big difference between warp 9.2 and 9.7. However, the max cruising speed of a std. Galaxy is 9.2 and the max speed is 9.6. The Galaxy class was scheduled for refit every 20 years. The USS Galaxy was launched in 2356, so by 2376, her first refit would have occurred, and the DS9 tech manual provides the new top speed of 9.9. However, it does not provide the new max cruising speed, i.e. the equivalent 9.2 factor. So the 9.2 cruising speed is old news. Since the Galaxy and the Sovereign appear to have the same top speed, it's not unreasonable to assume that they have the same max cruising speed. The Galaxy class is no slug post refit.

However, the point is mute to this thread because Voyager was lost in 2371, five years before the Galaxy was refitted.

You could be right with the Akira, but you could be wrong. She was designed (In real life) as Starfleet's first carrier, well, that we've seen. However, that concept was kinda lost in the shuffle, and its been classified on different occasions as both a Heavy cruiser and a torpedo cruiser. However, in the fleet scenes of DS9, we see lots of Fed fighters. It's not unreasonable to assume that these are from the Akiras in the fleet. As there is evidence for all three, the safest assumption is that there are two or three variants of the Akira -class, a light carrier, a heavy cruiser, and a torpedo cruiser, or maybe a heavy cruiser/torpedo cruiser. I probably just really confused things, huh?

[Integrabyte]

I don't think it was the ship 100%. It was the crew. Janeway was simply, in my opinion, the best Fleet captain out there. Chakotay an amazing first officer, Paris a very good pilot, B'Elanna the best engineer, Kim exemplary and Seven the smartest cookie .

[Stewart5]

Yup, you are correct in that,

Warp 9.2 = 1,649c
Warp 9.6 = 1,909c
Warp 9.7 = ~2149c (based on my own calculations)
Warp 9.9 = 3,053c

There is a big difference between warp 9.2 and 9.7. However, the max cruising speed of a std. Galaxy is 9.2 and the max speed is 9.6. The Galaxy class was scheduled for refit every 20 years. The USS Galaxy was launched in 2356, so by 2376, her first refit would have occurred, and the DS9 tech manual provides the new top speed of 9.9. However, it does not provide the new max cruising speed, i.e. the equivalent 9.2 factor. So the 9.2 cruising speed is old news. Since the Galaxy and the Sovereign appear to have the same top speed, it's not unreasonable to assume that they have the same max cruising speed. The Galaxy class is no slug post refit.

However, the point is mute to this thread because Voyager was lost in 2371, five years before the Galaxy was refitted.

You could be right with the Akira, but you could be wrong. She was designed (In real life) as Starfleet's first carrier, well, that we've seen. However, that concept was kinda lost in the shuffle, and its been classified on different occasions as both a Heavy cruiser and a torpedo cruiser. However, in the fleet scenes of DS9, we see lots of Fed fighters. It's not unreasonable to assume that these are from the Akiras in the fleet. As there is evidence for all three, the safest assumption is that there are two or three variants of the Akira -class, a light carrier, a heavy cruiser, and a torpedo cruiser, or maybe a heavy cruiser/torpedo cruiser. I probably just really confused things, huh?

Well, in the future it is possible that a carrier isn't a dedicated carrier, if that makes sense. Just because it carriers all the fighters ever doesn't make it a slouch in a fight. (eg, Glactica, Daedelus). i think ur porbs rright, that it can perform a multitude of roles.

I don't think it was the ship 100%. It was the crew. Janeway was simply, in my opinion, the best Fleet captain out there. Chakotay an amazing first officer, Paris a very good pilot, B'Elanna the best engineer, Kim exemplary and Seven the smartest cookie .

Well........Janeway was to emotional on occasion, Belanna was crazy and Seven was simply eye candy. I'd go with Picard as Captain, Chakotay as Number 1, Travis mayweather as pilot, Scotty in the engine room and Data as 'smartest cookie'.

also, the Soveign class has quantum torpedoes. Voyager, not so. I believe in later stages of stroyline, the Akira was also given quantums. (could be wrong)
I'd have to pick the AKira as my ship to get stuck in. Those fighter wings would come in handy for scouting and gather resources. Those hundreds of torp would be handy in combat and it just looks cool!

[Hong3103]

Any ship would've been better thanan Intrepid class ship.

[Stewart5]

Emm...Intrpeid had fastest crusing speed, tho.......

[Integrabyte]

Emm...Intrpeid had fastest crusing speed, tho.......

...also in flight films and meals .

[nx01a]

Holodecks and replicators... Not the SG-1 ones.

[Hong3103]

The downside to using one of the mentioned ships in place of an Intrepid class one is that you make it easier for writers... assuming all you did was just swap ships and keep the present story. Voyager would have a much easier time using diplomacy (thanks to a bigger ship) or the battles would be much more spectacular because the enemy would need more ships to take down an Akira or Sovereign class ship.

[P-90_177]

Any ship would've been better thanan Intrepid class ship.

Not so. The Nova class wasn't........show me an oberth that can get through the delta quadrent in one piece too and it'd have to have a godlike crew......I mean those things can't even last 5 minutes in the alpha quadrent.

[nx01a]

The Kazon could have actually taken down an Oberth, no Seska necessary. Not that the technology would do them much good. I loved how, in the DS9 pilot, no mention was made of the Oberth that just left the station as being able to help defend against the Cardassians.

[Hong3103]

Not so. The Nova class wasn't........show me an oberth that can get through the delta quadrent in one piece too and it'd have to have a godlike crew......I mean those things can't even last 5 minutes in the alpha quadrent.

I'm talking about the larger more well armed ships... obviously not one that is smaller or armed with fewer weapons.

[P-90_177]

I'm talking about the larger more well armed ships... obviously not one that is smaller or armed with fewer weapons.

Well you did say 'any'....

[Stewart5]

...also in flight films and meals .

Hahaha. All the true, ever!!
Give me an Akira any day and I'll die a slighlty more happy trekkie.

[Laxian of Earth]

I don't think it was the ship 100%. It was the crew. Janeway was simply, in my opinion, the best Fleet captain out there. Chakotay an amazing first officer, Paris a very good pilot, B'Elanna the best engineer, Kim exemplary and Seven the smartest cookie .

What the? - Sorry, but Janeway (who had inconsistent writing, for example it's ok to bend or break the Prime Directive if SHE DOES IT, but it's not ok if Tuvok or Paris do it!) is NOT the best captain!

Frankly all of the on screen captains have tons of flaws!

Picard is too rigid with his principals, Janeway is too used to Starfleet regulations that she clings to them in situations they were NOT writen for, Sisko is to prone to lashing out if something doesn't go his way (remember that Eddington guy he chased and those poisoned planets? Damned war-criminal!), Archer doesn't have the experience (his ship would be blown to pieces by the Kazon even without calling in their big dreadnought that nearly annihilated both Voyager and the Valjean!) and is arrogant (same for Picard who often sits on his high horse of moral superiority, same goes for Sisko, too (till "In a pale Moonlight")) etc. etc.

Hell, if I had to select a captain I would probably either send Edward Jellico (he's a military man who will negotiate, but isn't afraid to get his hands dirty!) or Riker (well: Thomas Riker, the tansporter clone who joined the Maquis!)

As for the ship?

I would love a Galaxy-Class (if we really have to do this by production date, meaning that only one Sovereign-Class ship could end up in the Delta Quadrant: The USS Sovereign itself!) or a Sovereign-Class...but if we disregard the date? Give me the USS Prometheus multi-vector-attack-ship

Why a Galaxy or Sovereign?

- Size (more room to store anti-matter and grow food!)
- Weaponry (more phasers and more power (better sustained fire!) and more torpedos - hopefully some quantum torpedos!)
- Defensive Systems (better shields - if Prometheus-Class: Regenerative Shields, meaning you have to continuously pound them to break through because they regenerate between hits!)
- More crew (and no Families if it's during the Dominion War!)
- Better sustained speed (yes: Voyager is faster, but not for long because they have to re-fuel more often, so even if the ship is slower it has a better sustained speed!)
- More and better shuttles (Runabouts - no need for a Delta Flyer, hell maybe even some attack fighters because the Galaxy-Class probably carried them into fights (can't have the crew on them long-term, they'd go crazy!))
- Enemies would be less likely to attack (the Kazon would be afraid for example!)
- Better replicators (a Galaxy-Class carries industrial replicators - does Voyager?)
- More Holodecs (can use one to train your security force better, while still having the others for the crew!)
- Better creature comforts
- Space for upgrades
- etc. etc.

Also: If I had a larger ship and most of the crew survived? I'd get some more ships (make a small fleet, for better survival!)...hell, I have this idea stuck in my head of taking over or stealing one of those super-large Kazon ships (like the one from the pilot-episode!) and upgrading it to Federation technology...or building two Defiant-Class ships as escorts for my Galaxy or Sovereign

greetings LAX
ps: A Steamrunner (torpedo barrages would annihilate almost everything ) or Akira (Fighters and better weapons than an Intrepid and a larger crew, too!) would be interesting, too - as would an upgraded (Lakota-Refit!) Excelsior-Class