Ship vs Ship ratios

[Buba uognarf]

That's a tough one I think. I'm not sure about the drones. Sometimes they are all destroying and sometimes they can't even catch a jumper.

I think if there are enough ships, on the Ancients side, then drones are better as you can use them more effectively. Concentrating on making one drone do more damage, going for critical areas.

In regards to hives vs Ha'taks, I'd say 7 or 8 ha'taks to one hive. The ha'taks are quite manouverable and I think they could circle the hive and keep moving so the wouldn't be caught. Less ha'taks will mean that darts will just close in and hold the ha'taks down.

An O'neil will obliterate the Odyssey. The Odyssey's weapons will be better, but the O'neil will have a better power base. It has 4 neutrino reactors to Odyssey's one ZPM. The odyssey's weapons won't be that far a head for the O'neil.

A ZPM is worth a million neutrino generators. An O'neil wasn't able to make a slight bit of difference against the Ori in 'Camelot'...the Odyssey has been able to destroy multiple Ori motherships. The O'neil would lose in about 3 shots from the beam weapons.

There is no contest. I'm actually shocked anyone thinks a ship bar Atlantis can beat the Odyssesy.

[Zalenka]

A ZPM is worth a million neutrino generators. An O'neil wasn't able to make a slight bit of difference against the Ori in 'Camelot'...the Odyssey has been able to destroy multiple Ori motherships. The O'neil would lose in about 3 shots from the beam weapons.

There is no contest. I'm actually shocked anyone thinks a ship bar Atlantis can beat the Odyssesy.

It wasn't an o'neill in camelot, it wasn't large enough. An asgard ship can get to Ida in a few seconds, it takes odyssey hours. We don't know if the Asgard ship didn't make a difference. We only saw inside the ship Vala was on. We can't say if the other hips had a few internal ruptures.

[stargater1990]

A ZPM is worth a million neutrino generators. An O'neil wasn't able to make a slight bit of difference against the Ori in 'Camelot'...the Odyssey has been able to destroy multiple Ori motherships. The O'neil would lose in about 3 shots from the beam weapons.

There is no contest. I'm actually shocked anyone thinks a ship bar Atlantis can beat the Odyssesy.

the asgard are able to create a wormhole from their galaxy to ours and that takes an enormous amount of energy and to us the only source of power great eneough to do that would be a zpm. so wouldnt it stand to reason that a couple nutrino ion generators, which is presumably their only generator, be capable of generating the amount of power comprable to that of a zpm only possibly without the longjevity of a zpm.

and if that were the case, since an oniell class warship is proboly about 20, if not more, times the size of a 304 that would mean that it could be powered by dozens of nutrino ion generators that could very well generate collectively more power than a zpm can pump out at once just for a shorter time than a zpm can, and by shorter i dont mean they can only do it for a few hours im talking about like a few years,

also since the oniell class warship is so much bigger than a 304, then they could have dozens of beam wepon arrays as opposed to like 4 or 5. and if that were the case, they could hit the oddessy with like 7 or more shots at once and it would proboly only take 7 or 8 shots to take out the oddesy since the asgard beam wepons are about as powerfull as the ori's main weapon and that can do it in 7 to 8 shots.

and just for the record, that wasnt an oniell in camalot. it was too small. my guess is that it was a science vessel. after all, the asgard were proboly too busy rebuilding their society to be building massive warships when they had no war to fight.

[Major V1125]

indeed...but since the ASGARD are gone (except in Atlantis, for now idk XD) we can exceed the Asgard so it would only make sense that the 304s and future flagships would be more advance and besides by fighting the WRAITH size shouldnt really matter that much, maybe a 304 can be someday the equivalent idk it would make sense in the future....XD

[Stewart5]

A ZPM is worth a million neutrino generators. An O'neil wasn't able to make a slight bit of difference against the Ori in 'Camelot'...the Odyssey has been able to destroy multiple Ori motherships. The O'neil would lose in about 3 shots from the beam weapons.

There is no contest. I'm actually shocked anyone thinks a ship bar Atlantis can beat the Odyssesy.

Ehh....the Oneil would have similar shields to the Oddy, would have the same weapons as the oddy and nutrino ion generators. Plus its bigger, with more room for generators and weapons system. Oddy would DDIIIEEEEE

the asgard are able to create a wormhole from their galaxy to ours and that takes an enormous amount of energy and to us the only source of power great eneough to do that would be a zpm. so wouldnt it stand to reason that a couple nutrino ion generators, which is presumably their only generator, be capable of generating the amount of power comprable to that of a zpm only possibly without the longjevity of a zpm.

and if that were the case, since an oniell class warship is proboly about 20, if not more, times the size of a 304 that would mean that it could be powered by dozens of nutrino ion generators that could very well generate collectively more power than a zpm can pump out at once just for a shorter time than a zpm can, and by shorter i dont mean they can only do it for a few hours im talking about like a few years,

also since the oniell class warship is so much bigger than a 304, then they could have dozens of beam wepon arrays as opposed to like 4 or 5. and if that were the case, they could hit the oddessy with like 7 or more shots at once and it would proboly only take 7 or 8 shots to take out the oddesy since the asgard beam wepons are about as powerfull as the ori's main weapon and that can do it in 7 to 8 shots.

and just for the record, that wasnt an oniell in camalot. it was too small. my guess is that it was a science vessel. after all, the asgard were proboly too busy rebuilding their society to be building massive warships when they had no war to fight.

All true. Tho, wiki says it was an O'neil, and you don't see it next to a 304, but behind, in the distance. Perspective could make it look smaller......

[Buba uognarf]

You're all wrong. Sorry.

Ehh....the Oneil would have similar shields to the Oddy, would have the same weapons as the oddy and nutrino ion generators. Plus its bigger, with more room for generators and weapons system. Oddy would DDIIIEEEEE

The Oneill has never had the beam weapons. They've new. It would have neutrino generators, but they're inferior to a ZPM by millions of times.

It wasn't an o'neill in camelot, it wasn't large enough. An asgard ship can get to Ida in a few seconds, it takes odyssey hours. We don't know if the Asgard ship didn't make a difference. We only saw inside the ship Vala was on. We can't say if the other hips had a few internal ruptures.

Yes it was an Oneil. It was the exact same model. The scaling was just screwed up. An Asgard ship takes 4 days to get from Atlantis to Earth ('Misbegotten') hardly seconds. If the Oneill was as powerful as the Odyssey at least one or two Ori ships would have been destroyed. Seeing as they weren't we can conclude the Oneil is not as powerful as the Odyssesy.

the asgard are able to create a wormhole from their galaxy to ours and that takes an enormous amount of energy and to us the only source of power great eneough to do that would be a zpm. so wouldnt it stand to reason that a couple nutrino ion generators, which is presumably their only generator, be capable of generating the amount of power comprable to that of a zpm only possibly without the longjevity of a zpm.

No it doesn't stand to reason. A ZPM can dial another galaxy with ease, Oneil made a power source from a staff weapon able to dial Ida. Clearly it doesn't take as much power as you think to dial Ida. The fact both power sources can do the same job doesn't mean they are equal. One may still be vastly superior. A ZPM was used to dial the Supergate in AOT, it can generate planet shattering levels of energy, possibly solar system shattering levels of energy...you can't imagine far beyond a NIG it is.

and if that were the case, since an oniell class warship is proboly about 20, if not more, times the size of a 304 that would mean that it could be powered by dozens of nutrino ion generators that could very well generate collectively more power than a zpm can pump out at once just for a shorter time than a zpm can, and by shorter i dont mean they can only do it for a few hours im talking about like a few years,

Sorry thats rubbish. A 304 is not powered by neutrino generators. A Beliskner was powered by 4 NIG (Neutrino Ion generators) and they basically stretched across the ship. You'd be lucky to fit one inside of a 304. An Oneil could fit about 4 of those inside it as its roughly the same size as a Beliskner.

also since the oniell class warship is so much bigger than a 304, then they could have dozens of beam wepon arrays as opposed to like 4 or 5. and if that were the case, they could hit the oddessy with like 7 or more shots at once and it would proboly only take 7 or 8 shots to take out the oddesy since the asgard beam wepons are about as powerfull as the ori's main weapon and that can do it in 7 to 8 shots.

But it doesn't have dozens of beam weapons! Thats what you guys don't realize. Oneil's have pulse weapons. Your basically talking about a fanwank ship which doesn't exist. Everything you say on the subject of Oneil's and beam weapons is rubbish because such a ship has never shown to have existed.

and just for the record, that wasnt an oniell in camalot. it was too small. my guess is that it was a science vessel. after all, the asgard were proboly too busy rebuilding their society to be building massive warships when they had no war to fight.

Sorry mate it was an Oneil. It looked like an Oneil, therefore logic dictates it was an Oneil. The scaling was messed up in that battle, the Ha'taks were tiny too. Unless you want to argue those weren't really Ha'taks at Camelot?

A NIG was stated to output 1 trillion joules per second. A number which is many thousands of times lower than even the lowest estimated ZPM figures, when we get into high end ZPM figures NIG's are literly trillions of times weaker by comparison.

You can't win this guys, give up lol. The maths does not lie. A NIG is nothing to a ZPM. Its only benefit is that it can presumably be refueled where as a ZPM can not. However by the time it catches up to the ZPM the NIG itself may have broken down after hundreds of years of use...

Its possible the Asgard have better power sources, infact its highly likely. But a NIG is substantially weaker than a ZPM.

[Zalenka]

You're all wrong. Sorry.

No we're not.

The Oneill has never had the beam weapons. They've new. It would have neutrino generators, but they're inferior to a ZPM by millions of times.

ZPMs cannot be that powerful as if they were they'd never run out.

Yes it was an Oneil. It was the exact same model. The scaling was just screwed up. An Asgard ship takes 4 days to get from Atlantis to Earth ('Misbegotten') hardly seconds. If the Oneill was as powerful as the Odyssey at least one or two Ori ships would have been destroyed. Seeing as they weren't we can conclude the Oneil is not as powerful as the Odyssesy.

If it wasn't the same size as an O'neil, it wasn't an O'neil. It couldn't be as it wouldn't of had the same space for reactors. I didn't say Atlantis, I said Ida.

No it doesn't stand to reason. A ZPM can dial another galaxy with ease, Oneil made a power source from a staff weapon able to dial Ida. Clearly it doesn't take as much power as you think to dial Ida. The fact both power sources can do the same job doesn't mean they are equal. One may still be vastly superior. A ZPM was used to dial the Supergate in AOT, it can generate planet shattering levels of energy, possibly solar system shattering levels of energy...you can't imagine far beyond a NIG it is.

No it wasn't. The super gate was powered by a black hole.

Sorry thats rubbish. A 304 is not powered by neutrino generators. A Beliskner was powered by 4 NIG (Neutrino Ion generators) and they basically stretched across the ship. You'd be lucky to fit one inside of a 304. An Oneil could fit about 4 of those inside it as its roughly the same size as a Beliskner..

But, how many NIGs to an O'neil? The entire ship was Asgard designed, Odyssey's updates are add ons. It can't be that efficient (unless modified by the Replicators)

Sorry mate it was an Oneil. It looked like an Oneil, therefore logic dictates it was an Oneil. The scaling was messed up in that battle, the Ha'taks were tiny too. Unless you want to argue those weren't really Ha'taks at Camelot?

How do you know, the Ha'taks were too small?

A NIG was stated to output 1 trillion joules per second. A number which is many thousands of times lower than even the lowest estimated ZPM figures, when we get into high end ZPM figures NIG's are literly trillions of times weaker by comparison.

The power output of ZPMs changes all the time. It depends on the plot needs.

You can't win this guys, give up lol. The maths does not lie. A NIG is nothing to a ZPM. Its only benefit is that it can presumably be refueled where as a ZPM can not. However by the time it catches up to the ZPM the NIG itself may have broken down after hundreds of years of use.

Its possible the Asgard have better power sources, infact its highly likely. But a NIG is substantially weaker than a ZPM.

The Asgard would of put their best on their O'neils. The pride of their fleet.

No one is doubting that a ZPM is more powerful than a NIG, but ships with ZPMs fail. Atlantis would of failed had it not been sunk. The Ancient ships are superior to the Odyssey. The Ancients' technology was vastly superior to the Asgards. The Asgards could not of traversed such a gap in such a small period of time.

[Buba uognarf]

No we're not.

Yes you are. I've had arguments like these a thousand times on this board. I've seen calculations etc...you're wrong.

ZPMs cannot be that powerful as if they were they'd never run out.

They last many thousands of years. They clearly are that powerful.

If it wasn't the same size as an O'neil, it wasn't an O'neil. It couldn't be as it wouldn't of had the same space for reactors. I didn't say Atlantis, I said Ida.

It was an O'neil, the scaling was off in the episode. Unless the Asgard have a smaller identical ship to an O'neil we've never heard of before?

No it wasn't. The super gate was powered by a black hole.

Watch AOT. They use the ZPM to dial the Supergate.

But, how many NIGs to an O'neil? The entire ship was Asgard designed, Odyssey's updates are add ons. It can't be that efficient (unless modified by the Replicators)

It may not be as efficient as if it was built in from the start but the O'neil never had the beam weapons. Therefore it doesn't matter. The Odyssey's tech is even more up to date than that of the O'neil. The beam weapons which are exclusive to our ships mean that we can best the Asgard ships without them.

How do you know, the Ha'taks were too small?

How do you know the O'neil was too small? In previous episodes and based on scalings 304's have shown to be smaller than Ha'taks...not twice as large. Its pretty obvious. Ask anyone who's not a newbie in the sci and tech part of this forum and they'll tell you that Camelot had poor scaling.

The power output of ZPMs changes all the time. It depends on the plot needs.

And even single instance of ZPM power out put makes a NIG look pitiful. We've heard of ZPM's being able to destroy planets and solar systems and 1/24's of solar systems (based on Arcturus) enough times to know that they're seriously powerful. Better than NIG's.

The Asgard would of put their best on their O'neils. The pride of their fleet.

The beams weren't around when the O'neil was made. What about that don't you get? If they had the beam weapons when they built O'neils they would have used them, seeing as every instance of battle involving the O'neil's had pulse weapons we can conclude they have no beam weapons. An O'neil with the beam weapons is a fan wank ship as it never existed.

No one is doubting that a ZPM is more powerful than a NIG, but ships with ZPMs fail. Atlantis would of failed had it not been sunk. The Ancient ships are superior to the Odyssey. The Ancients' technology was vastly superior to the Asgards. The Asgards could not of traversed such a gap in such a small period of time.

Yes they do fail...but Atlantis lasted years under siege from the Wraith and we've seen ZPMs last millions of years e.g. the first ZPM we got in 'The Lost City'. A ZPM is many orders of magnitude above a NIG.

[Zalenka]

We have the 304s to show the size of the ha'taks. Only the Asgard ship was smaller than it should have been. Unless you think one was right and the other three were wrong.

We know the Asgard didn't put beams on the O'neils, but what we are saying is that the beams can't be exponentially better than the weapons of the o'neil as the Asgard wouldn't be able to update their weapons so quickly.

Watch all the episodes where the ZPMs get used up so easily. the Seige, Lost City (after the battle the ZPM only has enough for one trip to Pegasus), First Strike. (when the beam hits them)

Why does Atlantis need a whole ZPM to make it fly and one to raise its shield. The shield can be engaged by lightening.

If the Odyssey was so brilliant they'd send it to Pegasus, run raids on the Wraith and win the war in a few weeks. You don't have to destroy all of them, just their ships.

[Buba uognarf]

We have the 304s to show the size of the ha'taks. Only the Asgard ship was smaller than it should have been. Unless you think one was right and the other three were wrong.

The Ha'taks were tiny compared to what they should have been. 304's are not bigger than Ha'taks. If you don't trust me, trust the half dozen people who've spent hours scaling them. The 304's were too big, everything else was probably to scale.

We know the Asgard didn't put beams on the O'neils, but what we are saying is that the beams can't be exponentially better than the weapons of the o'neil as the Asgard wouldn't be able to update their weapons so quickly.

Its a new type of weapon. Its a beam instead of pulse, maybe its just a better design which equals far more effect. Either way the beams on the Odyssey mean it would destroy an Oneill fairly easily judging by what it can do to Ori motherships.

Watch all the episodes where the ZPMs get used up so easily. the Seige, Lost City (after the battle the ZPM only has enough for one trip to Pegasus), First Strike. (when the beam hits them)

The Siege? It was under fire from a large armada or Wraith ships! A ship with 4 NIG's was defeated by 2 ha'taks. Get some perspective. The ZPM in Lost City was millions of years old, its actually a testament to its power that it was still able to launch thousands of drones and dial Pegasus. The ZPM in First Strike was under a continuous bombardment from a an Asuran death ray which drains shields faster than any other weapon seen so far.

Why does Atlantis need a whole ZPM to make it fly and one to raise its shield. The shield can be engaged by lightening.

Asgard ships controled by Replicators can raise their shields and enter hyperspace. Atlantis can do both. Its clearly a superior power source.

If the Odyssey was so brilliant they'd send it to Pegasus, run raids on the Wraith and win the war in a few weeks. You don't have to destroy all of them, just their ships.

Its a plot hole. There's loads of things we could do in the story but don't. Have you only just realized that?

[Zalenka]

The Ha'taks were tiny compared to what they should have been. 304's are not bigger than Ha'taks. If you don't trust me, trust the half dozen people who've spent hours scaling them. The 304's were too big, everything else was probably to scale.

They don't look bigger than the ha'taks. They do look larger than Asgard ship.

Its a new type of weapon. Its a beam instead of pulse, maybe its just a better design which equals far more effect. Either way the beams on the Odyssey mean it would destroy an Oneill fairly easily judging by what it can do to Ori motherships.

The O'neil will be far more maneuveable than the Ori. The power source is more efficient, although not more powerful.

The Siege? It was under fire from a large armada or Wraith ships! A ship with 4 NIG's was defeated by 2 ha'taks. Get some perspective. The ZPM in Lost City was millions of years old, its actually a testament to its power that it was still able to launch thousands of drones and dial Pegasus. The ZPM in First Strike was under a continuous bombardment from a an Asuran death ray which drains shields faster than any other weapon seen so far.

2 upgraded ha'taks with ancient inspired shields and weapons. They're all millions of years old. It wasn't used for all that time.

Asgard ships controled by Replicators can raise their shields and enter hyperspace. Atlantis can do both. Its clearly a superior power source.

Or it has superior designed shields. You've already pointed out that a smaller powersource can do remarkable things. Daedalus has super weapons but doesn't have a great power source.

Its a plot hole. There's loads of things we could do in the story but don't. Have you only just realized that?

We've seen it for ages. There are that mant plot holes with ZPMs that they can't be that great. They're just a writer tool used to give the characters a way out when the writers have tied them up.

[stargater1990]

You're all wrong. Sorry.



The Oneill has never had the beam weapons. They've new. It would have neutrino generators, but they're inferior to a ZPM by millions of times.



Yes it was an Oneil. It was the exact same model. The scaling was just screwed up. An Asgard ship takes 4 days to get from Atlantis to Earth ('Misbegotten') hardly seconds. If the Oneill was as powerful as the Odyssey at least one or two Ori ships would have been destroyed. Seeing as they weren't we can conclude the Oneil is not as powerful as the Odyssesy.



No it doesn't stand to reason. A ZPM can dial another galaxy with ease, Oneil made a power source from a staff weapon able to dial Ida. Clearly it doesn't take as much power as you think to dial Ida. The fact both power sources can do the same job doesn't mean they are equal. One may still be vastly superior. A ZPM was used to dial the Supergate in AOT, it can generate planet shattering levels of energy, possibly solar system shattering levels of energy...you can't imagine far beyond a NIG it is.



Sorry thats rubbish. A 304 is not powered by neutrino generators. A Beliskner was powered by 4 NIG (Neutrino Ion generators) and they basically stretched across the ship. You'd be lucky to fit one inside of a 304. An Oneil could fit about 4 of those inside it as its roughly the same size as a Beliskner.



But it doesn't have dozens of beam weapons! Thats what you guys don't realize. Oneil's have pulse weapons. Your basically talking about a fanwank ship which doesn't exist. Everything you say on the subject of Oneil's and beam weapons is rubbish because such a ship has never shown to have existed.



Sorry mate it was an Oneil. It looked like an Oneil, therefore logic dictates it was an Oneil. The scaling was messed up in that battle, the Ha'taks were tiny too. Unless you want to argue those weren't really Ha'taks at Camelot?

A NIG was stated to output 1 trillion joules per second. A number which is many thousands of times lower than even the lowest estimated ZPM figures, when we get into high end ZPM figures NIG's are literly trillions of times weaker by comparison.

You can't win this guys, give up lol. The maths does not lie. A NIG is nothing to a ZPM. Its only benefit is that it can presumably be refueled where as a ZPM can not. However by the time it catches up to the ZPM the NIG itself may have broken down after hundreds of years of use...

Its possible the Asgard have better power sources, infact its highly likely. But a NIG is substantially weaker than a ZPM.

the power source that oniell made just used the liquid naquada in tealcs staff wepon as a componet, not the main source of power. my guess is that it was a mini zpm, capable of outputting eneough power to dial another galaxy. and dialing another galaxy period takes an enormous amount of power.

and a nutrino ion generator has to be capable of generating the kind of power nessiasry to power atlantises shield because in 25 years, we are going to make a naquada generator that is able to do that and since the asgard have been around for way loner than us it reasonable to assume they they did, what were gonna do with naquada, it with nutronium and proboly did it even better. and if that is the case, since a nutrino ion generator would be capable of powering the shield of atlantis, which takes either a zpm or a very very very powerfull generator, a nutrino ion generator has to be able to output the power close to that of a zpm, just for a far less time.

and really, power can only make the shields so much better as long as your working with a shield that is not like atlantises and can be damaged with power left. after about 7 to 8 shots from the beam wepons the oddessys shields will fail and the ship will be destroyed. and the same is true about the oniells shields. i mean our 304s powered by naquada generators can withstand 3 blasts from the ori's wepons, which are roughly comprable to our beam wepons, and if that is the case, an oniell can easilly withstand 6 to 7 shots from the oddessy because nigs have got to be like wayy more powerfull than a naquada generator.



and if you dont want the oniell to have beam weapons then the oddessy cant have any either because if the asgard gave us the wepons and didint kill themselves, then they would obviously added them to their warships. after all its stupid to give another race your most powerfull weapons and not put any on your ships.

unless you believe that they had the beam weapons before the encounter at the supergate but just didint use them and in that case, your wrong. they were their latest weapons proboly designed to battle the ori and if they werent about to kill themselves they would have added them to their oniells.

[Zalenka]

I wish we could see an O'neil against the Odyssey or a different 304. I'm starting to think that the battle with the Odyssey will be a close thing. The O'neil will wipe out a non ZPM powered 304.

The 304s weakness is its power source. Its strength is its efficiency. The best designed, but not powered weapons.

I'd like to see the Asuran satellite take on the Odyssey. I'll go for the Satellite.

To go back to the Odyssey with its ZPM and Asgard weapons.

I think the ori sent three ships after it. It destroyed the first. When the two second ones came after it; it destroyed one, but did nothing to the third. It only however faced two at a time.

It faced four in AOT, but the replicators were modifying the ship. The ship took repeated hits for some period of time from 4 Ori shapes. It didn't fire back, so I think all power was diverted to the shields.

The Wraith have been shown to deplete the shields of Atlantis, the best shields so far, when powered by a ZPM. Therefore, I think it is possible for the Wraith to take out the ZPM powered Odyssey with 4 or 5 ships. 3 ships to take out a normal (upgraded)304.

If all the power of a ZPM goes to the odyssey's shields it will witstand a lot. It won't fire back though.

[stargateolympus]

They don't look bigger than the ha'taks. They do look larger than Asgard ship.

Actually the scaling for Camelot was screwed up, really bad.

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Compared to

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The Ha'taks were tiny even though they should be larger than the 304s, plus the Asgard ship is clearly an O'niell class but it's way too small.

On topic, how many Traveler ships would it take to bring down a 304?

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I've been wondering it since the preview for Lost Tribe

[Commander Thor]

also since the oniell class warship is so much bigger than a 304, then they could have dozens of beam wepon arrays as opposed to like 4 or 5.

2 things

1: a hive is considerably larger than a daedalus class. and baout 5-10 times larger than an o'niell. (will have to check the ship size thread later to confirm.) so imagine the number of power generators the hive could have. and from the omnipedia the wraith's technological advancment rivalled the ancients. so i have no doubt that the wraith could build a far more efficient power source than the asgard.

2: THE ASGARD DIDN'T HAVE THE ENERGY BEAM WEAPONS!!! at least until they gave hem to us. if they did don't you think they would have used them in camelot? and by the way. yes it was an O'Niell in camelot. i checked the omnipedia(i think it says there) and watched a clip on youtube of it. i assure you it was an O'Niell. we know for a fact that the new asgard beam weapons are better than the old asgard volley weapons so i think the Oddessy would be able to decimate an O'Niell.

and i have a question. do the Nox have ANY kind of ship? i have never seen or heard of them having one



this stuff may have been noted but i could not get on since my last post on this thread