Ship vs Ship ratios

[Zalenka]

they could easily destroy 2 ori ships and maybe the 3rd if they timed it right. either way, 2 ori ships wouldnt be superior to 1 304 provided they actually fought smartly and had their shields at full strength.

The same can be said about 2 Ori ships. If they were to cover each over and prevent the 304 from getting into a concealed position behind oneof the ships they would win every time. The Ori ships main weapon can far in a range of directions and if 2 were to hit the 304 at the same time the 304 would be done in. As it has been said if the beams go off line the 304 becomes a punch bag.

There seems to be confusion here about the 304 and ori ship to ship ratio. Sometimes we say the odyseey is superior as it has a ZPM but then go on to say that the odyseey was at a disadvantage due to the explosion of the planet. Would the explosion of the planet not have made it an even playing field?

[stargater1990]

True, nut these ships are the upgraded awesome, not regular 304s. As proven in several episodes, don't send a 304 to do the job without the biggest boatload of upgrades, ever!



Assuming that the Ori are sitting still, firing in straight lines. They may be less manoueverable, but there are several of them. Whilst you are firing for 5 seconds on one, whioch is firing back, the others are flanking you and firing too........duh...................

i was talking about how they could have won against the ori in unending. because in the beggining the other ori ships were going for the planet and instead of opening fire on the one ship coming at them they ran, but if they had taken the first one out then they could have delt with the other 2 easily how i described. overall what my point was was that a 304 could proboly destroy 2 ori ships and it would take 3 ori ships to destroy 1 304, and unless the circumstances are right, like they could have been in unending, you might be able to destroy the 3rd ship before it destroyes you but you have to time it right.

[Zalenka]

i was talking about how they could have won against the ori in unending. because in the beggining the other ori ships were going for the planet and instead of opening fire on the one ship coming at them they ran, but if they had taken the first one out then they could have delt with the other 2 easily how i described. overall what my point was was that a 304 could proboly destroy 2 ori ships and it would take 3 ori ships to destroy 1 304, and unless the circumstances are right, like they could have been in unending, you might be able to destroy the 3rd ship before it destroyes you but you have to time it right.

If a 304 were to take on 2 ori ships the fight would be the ori's to lose. The Ori could cover each over and given that they'd now be ready for the 304 they'd not be so careless to simply send in one ship at a time.

The 304s have to get close in to take on the Ori and if the Ori can keep their distance then they'll win.

[stargater1990]

If a 304 were to take on 2 ori ships the fight would be the ori's to lose. The Ori could cover each over and given that they'd now be ready for the 304 they'd not be so careless to simply send in one ship at a time.

The 304s have to get close in to take on the Ori and if the Ori can keep their distance then they'll win.

you dont know that for sure,the range of the asgard beam wepons could be as long if not longer that the oris wepons so we could also attack from a distance. also, since they can only shoot 1 blast like every second it would proboly be easy eneough to dodge them because once they shoot at us from far away it takes like a second to reach us and since it can only travel in a sraight line we could easily move out of the way. also we could proboly equip our ships with maybe more asgard beam wepon arrays so that we could hit them with more fire power much quicker than 5 seconds which could bring the odds further into our favor.

[Stewart5]

i was talking about how they could have won against the ori in unending. because in the beggining the other ori ships were going for the planet and instead of opening fire on the one ship coming at them they ran, but if they had taken the first one out then they could have delt with the other 2 easily how i described. overall what my point was was that a 304 could proboly destroy 2 ori ships and it would take 3 ori ships to destroy 1 304, and unless the circumstances are right, like they could have been in unending, you might be able to destroy the 3rd ship before it destroyes you but you have to time it right.

True, but remember, in an actual space fight, that doens't involve plot shields, the ori ships won't just sit and patiently take their beating. Also, if my post sounded a little rude, that was unmeant.....

you dont know that for sure,the range of the asgard beam wepons could be as long if not longer that the oris wepons so we could also attack from a distance. also, since they can only shoot 1 blast like every second it would proboly be easy eneough to dodge them because once they shoot at us from far away it takes like a second to reach us and since it can only travel in a sraight line we could easily move out of the way. also we could proboly equip our ships with maybe more asgard beam wepon arrays so that we could hit them with more fire power much quicker than 5 seconds which could bring the odds further into our favor.

Remembering that the more asgard tech we have, the easier it is for them to finds us, so we draw and extra 2-3 ships because of the power reading we're giving out......A 304, upgraded or not, is going down. Maybe it'll take a fe wwith it, but remember, Cameron/carter/teal'c isn't always going to be there to plot shield it to safety......

[Zalenka]

you dont know that for sure,the range of the asgard beam wepons could be as long if not longer that the oris wepons so we could also attack from a distance. also, since they can only shoot 1 blast like every second it would proboly be easy eneough to dodge them because once they shoot at us from far away it takes like a second to reach us and since it can only travel in a sraight line we could easily move out of the way. also we could proboly equip our ships with maybe more asgard beam wepon arrays so that we could hit them with more fire power much quicker than 5 seconds which could bring the odds further into our favor.

Putting more beams on our ships means giving them more power, which we don't have (except on Odyssey) In Unending the odyssey was getting really close. It was taking a beating from one while wailing on the other. When it'd finished destroying one ship it didn't get close to the second. Out maneuvering them all the time won't be possible as the Ori ships do have other weapons than their primary beams.

[stargater1990]

Putting more beams on our ships means giving them more power, which we don't have (except on Odyssey) In Unending the odyssey was getting really close. It was taking a beating from one while wailing on the other. When it'd finished destroying one ship it didn't get close to the second. Out maneuvering them all the time won't be possible as the Ori ships do have other weapons than their primary beams.

we could just add more naquada generators, which is proboly whats powering our ships now any way as its really our only good power source.

what other wepons, ive only ever seen them use their primary wepons.

[Zalenka]

what other wepons, ive only ever seen them use their primary wepons.

It mentions them in the Omnipedia. They can take out ha'taks ;like everyting else (except rail guns)

[stargater1990]

It mentions them in the Omnipedia. They can take out ha'taks ;like everyting else (except rail guns)

just because it mentions them in the omnipedia dosnet mean its true. i read that a while back and i know for sure its false because ive seen every battle the ori ships have been involved in like multiple times and not once have they ever used any wepon other than their primary wepons. however if you want to show evidence to the contrary feel free to. im not afraid to admit that i was wrong, although i dont believe thats the case here.

[jonos101]

just because it mentions them in the omnipedia dosnet mean its true. i read that a while back and i know for sure its false because ive seen every battle the ori ships have been involved in like multiple times and not once have they ever used any wepon other than their primary wepons. however if you want to show evidence to the contrary feel free to. im not afraid to admit that i was wrong, although i dont believe thats the case here.

Watch the 'Camalot' battle again, you can see the secondary weapons taking out Ha'taks. They're a rapid fire pulse thing.

[Zalenka]

Watch the 'Camalot' battle again, you can see the secondary weapons taking out Ha'taks. They're a rapid fire pulse thing.

Thanks Jonas101, do you have any idea about how they would do against a 304?

On a side note this thread has become obsessed with 304s again (I'm to blame) and missed out on the power of other ships. Ori vs Hive has been coversed, I think 4 hives could take out an Ori ship.


I base this on 2 Ori to one 304 and then 1 304 to 2 hives. I think the Wraith may have one of the most powerful weapons, as i think they have a powerful shot and they have a rapid fire ability.

[wise one]

Thanks Jonas101, do you have any idea about how they would do against a 304?

On a side note this thread has become obsessed with 304s again (I'm to blame) and missed out on the power of other ships. Ori vs Hive has been coversed, I think 4 hives could take out an Ori ship.


I base this on 2 Ori to one 304 and then 1 304 to 2 hives. I think the Wraith may have one of the most powerful weapons, as i think they have a powerful shot and they have a rapid fire ability.

i think it will take more than 4 wraith hives to take out a single ori ship, the weapons fire taken from camelot was more than 'maybe' the output of 4 hives, and that battle had a asgard ship in it,

im going more like 10 hives+ with darts and maybe cruisers, those secondary pulse weapons would take out the darts and cruisers easily like to a shielded hatak which by size comparison to darts or cruisers are much larger

wraith hives would be down or atleast disabled in one shot whether its to the front side or back or even the top as the force and radiation will break through and cause secondary explosions and hives dont move that well whereas ori ships have been seen going downwards on a hatak over chulak

[Stewart5]

i think it will take more than 4 wraith hives to take out a single ori ship, the weapons fire taken from camelot was more than 'maybe' the output of 4 hives, and that battle had a asgard ship in it,

im going more like 10 hives+ with darts and maybe cruisers, those secondary pulse weapons would take out the darts and cruisers easily like to a shielded hatak which by size comparison to darts or cruisers are much larger

wraith hives would be down or atleast disabled in one shot whether its to the front side or back or even the top as the force and radiation will break through and cause secondary explosions and hives dont move that well whereas ori ships have been seen going downwards on a hatak over chulak

Yeh, hiveships are big and have lots of weapons, but they an't the best thing to place infront of huge energy beams. Not fun. At least 8, I'd say, with attending escorts

[Zalenka]

i think it will take more than 4 wraith hives to take out a single ori ship, the weapons fire taken from camelot was more than 'maybe' the output of 4 hives, and that battle had a asgard ship in it,

im going more like 10 hives+ with darts and maybe cruisers, those secondary pulse weapons would take out the darts and cruisers easily like to a shielded hatak which by size comparison to darts or cruisers are much larger

wraith hives would be down or atleast disabled in one shot whether its to the front side or back or even the top as the force and radiation will break through and cause secondary explosions and hives dont move that well whereas ori ships have been seen going downwards on a hatak over chulak

Hives can take more than one shot from our beam weapons so they should last longer than one shot from an Ori beam. I think that as the Wraith faced the Ancients they will be able to take on the Ori. 10+ hives seems alot to me considering that it 8 hives would have been able to deplete Atlantis's shield in a few days.

I'm guesssing Atlantis's shield is the most powerful by far.

[Stewart5]

Hives can take more than one shot from our beam weapons so they should last longer than one shot from an Ori beam. I think that as the Wraith faced the Ancients they will be able to take on the Ori. 10+ hives seems alot to me considering that it 8 hives would have been able to deplete Atlantis's shield in a few days.

I'm guesssing Atlantis's shield is the most powerful by far.

The point has already been given to me, forcefully, that Atlantis has 3 ZPMs, not one, when the ancients were there. So lots of Hive ships.
And the Wraith beat the Anceitns through sheer numbers. Lots of them.