Ship vs Ship ratios

[Zalenka]

The point has already been given to me, forcefully, that Atlantis has 3 ZPMs, not one, when the ancients were there. So lots of Hive ships.
And the Wraith beat the Anceitns through sheer numbers. Lots of them.

I accept that. My point/question is how many hives would it take to destroy a ZPM powered orion cruiser? We can also surmise that the Ancients didn't equip all their ships with ZPMs and only started to do it when the tide of war changed. (Ironic it actually led to their downfall).

The best way, I think, to look at the ratio of Ancient ships to Hives would be look at the battle in No Man's Land. One, severely damaged, Orion takes on 2 hives with a non asgard hyped up 304. I destroys one easily but is ruined (pulverized) by the second as it can't have weapons and shields at the same time.

So how many Hives would it take to take out a fully powered non damaged ship? What were the shields operating at? If they were at 50% we could say it'd take 4, possibly 6 as the drones would be there as well. if 25% 8. With more needed to take the pounding from the drones.

[Stewart5]

I accept that. My point/question is how many hives would it take to destroy a ZPM powered orion cruiser? We can also surmise that the Ancients didn't equip all their ships with ZPMs and only started to do it when the tide of war changed. (Ironic it actually led to their downfall).

The best way, I think, to look at the ratio of Ancient ships to Hives would be look at the battle in No Man's Land. One, severely damaged, Orion takes on 2 hives with a non asgard hyped up 304. I destroys one easily but is ruined (pulverized) by the second as it can't have weapons and shields at the same time.

So how many Hives would it take to take out a fully powered non damaged ship? What were the shields operating at? If they were at 50% we could say it'd take 4, possibly 6 as the drones would be there as well. if 25% 8. With more needed to take the pounding from the drones.

That's true, actually. Then again, a hiveship would have affiliated cruisers to run interference (soak the drones) as it moved in on the aurora class. So, I'm guessin 3 hiveships with assorted escorts could do it, but would lose at least half their number of cruisers and at least one hive. (Damn, we need some ancient animes....)

[Buba uognarf]

How many Hives an Aurora can take on depends on one thing...how many drones it carries. I think fully powered minus a ZPM it could take on 3-4 seeing as 3 Hives seem to do a number on a upgraded 304 in a few seconds. With a ZPM I have no idea, I think it could take on Hives till the sun goes down.

[Zalenka]

I think fully powered minus a ZPM it could take on 3-4 seeing as 3 Hives seem to do a number on a upgraded 304 in a few seconds.

That seems reasonable

With a ZPM I have no idea, I think it could take on Hives till the sun goes down.

I can't be that many as the Hives began taking ZPMs from the Auroras.

[Buba uognarf]

That seems reasonable




I can't be that many as the Hives began taking ZPMs from the Auroras.

After several months the Wraith took down 3 ZPM Aurora's. I was exaggerating but I expect a ZPM Aurora to be able to survive long enough to deplete its drones stocks and hammer several more Hives after that with its energy weapons.

[Zalenka]

After several months the Wraith took down 3 ZPM Aurora's. I was exaggerating but I expect a ZPM Aurora to be able to survive long enough to deplete its drones stocks and hammer several more Hives after that with its energy weapons.

That seems ok.

The number of Hives to take out an Aurora is interesting and difficult to work out.

We've seen several drones take out an Ha'tak and one drone severely damage a Wraith cruiser. (it did take qite a few / not a massive amount but quite a few take out a Hive) So we've seen their effectiveness.

The problem is if the Hives completely surround a Hive to the numbers we expect then the hives will damage each other as well.

ZPM powered shields on an Aurora won't be too fantastic though as even with its Asgard shields, supported by ZPM power, the Deadalus still took damage to its hull.

[Stewart5]

How many Hives an Aurora can take on depends on one thing...how many drones it carries. I think fully powered minus a ZPM it could take on 3-4 seeing as 3 Hives seem to do a number on a upgraded 304 in a few seconds. With a ZPM I have no idea, I think it could take on Hives till the sun goes down.

Which is why Hives have cruiser support. The cruiser take the drones in the face (ouch) so hives can survive

[Major V1125]

sighs...if only we can UP the arms on our 304s and maybe even build SUPPORT SHIPS like a battle group that you see with WRAITH and JAFFA groups like has anyone noticed that 302s can JUMP?! so maybe if headed to a battle zone like have like a squadron or two wait outside the battle zone within JUMPING range and when the battle begins the back up squadron can JUMP in as additional SUPPORT and cant 302s latch onto a 304's hull? we've all seen that before and so maybe add some more 302s onto the hull and like since they have limited air etc stationed at a nearby planet. so just sayin a 304 is very versitile making a 304 a variable attackship. ARMS on a 304 can be upgrade DRAMATICLY upgrade those MISSILES FOR GOODNESS SAKE! along with THOSE RAILGUNS! asgard beams are great but why not improve shielding?! why not do what HALO did, overshield with recharge-like? like keep a seperate shielding moldule as backup etc etc so with all this you can make a 304 every formidable! YEEAH!!!

[Zalenka]

Which is why Hives have cruiser support. The cruiser take the drones in the face (ouch) so hives can survive

How many cruisers does each Hive have? It can obviously change, so how many in the siege?

The Hives could use darts to do that as well. I do think that drones are capable of working their way around obstructions though.

Then again, the longer it takes to get a shot on target the more the others can fire at you.

[Stewart5]

How many cruisers does each Hive have? It can obviously change, so how many in the siege?

The Hives could use darts to do that as well. I do think that drones are capable of working their way around obstructions though.

Then again, the longer it takes to get a shot on target the more the others can fire at you.

True. But I think drones can survive taking out fighters, can't they (???)
They might not always have cruisers, but surely when in a proper combat action, they would have attending vessels. And the drones can dodge, but you're talking one ship at a time. The others won't be sitting waiting for the drones to reach them (throw darts at them...literally)

[Zalenka]

True. But I think drones can survive taking out fighters, can't they (???)
They might not always have cruisers, but surely when in a proper combat action, they would have attending vessels. And the drones can dodge, but you're talking one ship at a time. The others won't be sitting waiting for the drones to reach them (throw darts at them...literally)

How many drones will it take to destroy a hive?

I think one drone can do a lot of damage but, that would require ab lot of concentration from the man in the chair. It'll probably be easier to just send in loads of drones.

Taking on lots of ships will be tough too. A few hives will take a lot of drones and then there'll be their darts too.

I don't know about how many drones it'll take to destroy a hive but I think it'll be enough so that eventually a ship will run out. 3 or 4 hives will provide an all round bombardment and the darts will provide cover.

[Commander Thor]

in be all my sins remeber'd todd's hive (i think it was anyway) was almost destroyed by energy weapons (they didn't look like drones to me) it would have been if it wasn't for.... i think it was the daedalus? anyway. ZPM powered i think an Aurora could take out about 4 hives before being destroyed. non ZPM powered i'd say about 2/3 pushing it. this may have been said as i am new to the thread but what about

hive vs. ha'tak?
or O'Niell vs. Odessy?

[Major V1125]

indeed....but i think Asgard beam weapons perform better than drones since it cant be shot down or blocked by other projectiles but a HIVE...whats better to destroy it tho? Energy weapons or Drones???? i think its the combination of the 304's ordnance...railguns to take out those pesky darts and missiles to take out other structures and beams to finish them off! XD

[Stewart5]

How many drones will it take to destroy a hive?

I think one drone can do a lot of damage but, that would require ab lot of concentration from the man in the chair. It'll probably be easier to just send in loads of drones.

Taking on lots of ships will be tough too. A few hives will take a lot of drones and then there'll be their darts too.

I don't know about how many drones it'll take to destroy a hive but I think it'll be enough so that eventually a ship will run out. 3 or 4 hives will provide an all round bombardment and the darts will provide cover.

yup. That's what I've been thinking too. Cos the Auroura has a limited number of drones, eventually it would run out. And weren't aurora's pretty slow, too?

in be all my sins remeber'd todd's hive (i think it was anyway) was almost destroyed by energy weapons (they didn't look like drones to me) it would have been if it wasn't for.... i think it was the daedalus? anyway. ZPM powered i think an Aurora could take out about 4 hives before being destroyed. non ZPM powered i'd say about 2/3 pushing it. this may have been said as i am new to the thread but what about

hive vs. ha'tak?
or O'Niell vs. Odessy?

Even with a ZPM, you don't have unlimited drones. I'm sure 3-4 hives have enough darts to run pass interference AND still have enough to straiff a 304.

Hive vs Ha'tak? Gotta be the hive. More fighters, larger ship with better weapons.

O'neil vs Odessy? That's obvious. Asgard everytime. The O'neil is over a kilometre long (according to SG wiki) and has awe the asgard tech, ever! Even upgraded 304s would struggle, because am sure the asgard would be able to defend against thier own weapons!

[Zalenka]

but a HIVE...whats better to destroy it tho? Energy weapons or Drones????

That's a tough one I think. I'm not sure about the drones. Sometimes they are all destroying and sometimes they can't even catch a jumper.

I think if there are enough ships, on the Ancients side, then drones are better as you can use them more effectively. Concentrating on making one drone do more damage, going for critical areas.

In regards to hives vs Ha'taks, I'd say 7 or 8 ha'taks to one hive. The ha'taks are quite manouverable and I think they could circle the hive and keep moving so the wouldn't be caught. Less ha'taks will mean that darts will just close in and hold the ha'taks down.

An O'neil will obliterate the Odyssey. The Odyssey's weapons will be better, but the O'neil will have a better power base. It has 4 neutrino reactors to Odyssey's one ZPM. The odyssey's weapons won't be that far a head for the O'neil.