Ori vs ships from different Sci-Fi series, analasys of their strenght

[Buba uognarf]

So let's resume. A prior is able to cast a shield that will able to entirely cover a planet, protect it from anything, absorb enemy fire and eventually, when necessary, crush a planet into a black hole.
That without any particular power source safe eventually an open stargate with only a limited amount of power transfer allowed, and a staff.

On the other hand, you have a warship, powered by a generator dwarfing a 304 and protected by shields that render any suicidal Ha'tak as effective as an insect splattering against a windshield.

Eventually, logic would follow the idea that if there's something that can take down those ori shields, it's certainly not raw firepower.

i agree non of those ships have what it takes to bring down the ori, even a cube would be smashed to pieces though i'm sure it could adapt eventually

[kharaa]

So let's resume. A prior is able to cast a shield that will able to entirely cover a planet, protect it from anything, absorb enemy fire and eventually, when necessary, crush a planet into a black hole.
That without any particular power source safe eventually an open stargate with only a limited amount of power transfer allowed, and a staff.

This is ship to ship combat, not Prior to ship combat, I think we're referring to the ships themselves, not the people on them, as we could just as easily assume, we have Q on board to help us out.

On the other hand, you have a warship, powered by a generator dwarfing a 304 and protected by shields that render any suicidal Ha'tak as effective as an insect splattering against a windshield.

What? o_o well look what's going against those shields, Hatak blasts and Rail gun shots? Nukes aren't so effective at pwning shields.

Eventually, logic would follow the idea that if there's something that can take down those ori shields, it's certainly not raw firepower.

Well considering that the sovereigns firepower rates in to the HIGH Terawatts, i'm thinking it has a chance.., including firing what are more or less ZPM's as it's standard torpedo, and that's not even the highest yield weapon in ST. There is a torpedo , that's rated at around 200 Isotons, when a quantum is around 45ish?

if a defiant class or sovereign class can surposedly defeat the ori ships than the borg can take on about 10

Uh.. The reasoning be why the Defiant or Soverign would be more then a match for an Ori war ship, is the fact they both incredible reletive agility and speed, and their firepower is pretty impressive. and I agree with your statement before that a Cube could probably take out a number of Ori ships, Lets not forget that if it Came to boarding action, shields do NOT stop the borg, they walk right through them, all it takes is for them to inject nano probes in to something, could you imagine a infected Prior? YIKES.

Edit: and to what i was getting at with the borg, they have omni-directional weaponry, torpedos that rival the power of a quantum, plus beams that slice straight through anything, and if things got desperate, a device that would vaporize a large portion of the solar system.

[An-Alteran]

I would say the sovereign, don't quote me on this, but in one of the various tech manuals for star wars, the lasers are rated around 100 KW or something like that. whereas a phaser for the sovereign is..


Also, Quantum torpedos work by creating a zero point explosion.. basically you're huge ZPM's.

I would say the sovereign would have the best chance of winning against the Ori.

Actually Quantom Torpedoes don't create a ZP-Explosion.
They use a small Zero Point Warhead detonated by the Most powerful Photon Torpedo Warhead to amplify the explossion by a multiple of three.

Quantom Torpedoes have a higher level of kinetic force, and create a powerful sheering force gainst a hull. They are the only known torpedos to literally snap a ship in half on impact.

No doubt in my mind here, the soverign, would by a safe margin win against the ori, while the defiant in my opinion would completely obliterate Ori fleets, my reasoning is this:

I disagree.

1, the defiant is equipped with the most powerful non starbase weapons out of any Alpha quad fleet. The Pulse phasers work on the principle that the initial burst on a phaser is the most powerful, and it is armed with quantum torpedos

Pulse Phasers work on other principles also.
The Defiant is still armed with Phaser banks.
The Sovereign Class type XII phasers are far more powerful than Pulse Phasers.
Pulse Phasers Cannons put the power of a set of Type IX or so phaser banks into a much smaller area without losing the effectiveness.
The pulse Phaser systems are channeled throuhg the Plasma systems to increase energy yield. That is how they are that powerful.
I am sure the Sovereing Class uses a similar system, making the Type XII system far more powerful.
Furthermore, while size per size more powerful, Pulse Phaser Cannons overheat faster.

The Sovereing Class is armed with 10 Rapid Fire Torpedo Launchers and can fire in any direction about 20 torpedoes a second. It rarely needs to, but it could.

The Defiant can fire 4 torpedoes forward a second, or two torpedoes rear a second.

2, It is incrediblely Agile and fast, it could almost spin circles around a Ori battlecruiser.

Anything could spin circles around an Ori ship.

The Sovereign Class is also ezxtremely fast, expecially for its size.

3, It's defensive systems are superb, with shielding near that of a galexy class, and the ablative armor system.

Wrong. The Galaxy Clas has far more resilient shielding.
The Defiant Class has weak shields. They can knocked down pretty quickly whenever they are hit by enemy fire.

If the Ori was lucky enough to even hit the Defiant with it's main cannon Would it even do really any damage vs the shields, and even the ablative armor, which is ment to disperse energy and heat long the surface, like a extra layer of skin.

The pulse weapons on the Ori Ship would kill the Defiant.
The Defiant's shields are relatively weak, because of the size of the ship.
Most of its overpowered Warp-core's energy goes into its Phasers and overloaded engines.

Quantum Torpedoes are able to penetrate shields.

No they can't. They can if they overload the shields with their force of impact, or explossion, but that is unlikely to happen on any advanced and decently armed ship.

Multiphasic Torpedoes can bypass shields altogether though.
A single one can destroy a Borg Cube.
So I think Multiphasic torpedoes would be able to one-shot a Orii Warship.

[Ouroboros]

I'd give the Ori ship the normal Star Destroyer (barely) and the Enterprise but the Executor is going to murder it. The thing is almost 20 KM long and it does have shields, and enough sheer bulk to take multiple ubergun hits.

The Defiant dies to those smaller pulse weapons the toilet seat's got though, don't forget about those.

[Buba uognarf]

ori the only thing the ori ship couldn't handle in the above list is the Super sta rdestroyer, it would kill a sovereign class and would just defeat a star destroyer...

for those who don't know an official firepower figue for star destroyer turbo lasers is 200 gigatons!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Mister Oragahn]

i agree non of those ships have what it takes to bring down the ori, even a cube would be smashed to pieces though i'm sure it could adapt eventually

That was kind of my point, though I was a bit worried I didn't word my thoughts properly.
Point: if a single upgraded man can cast such a powerful shield that can expand, encompass a whole planet, feed from enemy fire and eventually, when needed, literally crush a whole planet, all that from his single staff, then a warship with a Ha'tak sized power core should not have any problem to come with a shield like billion times more powerful than that, and only a trick of technobabble could bring them down.

Thus, if this happened to be true, then there's absolutely no single ship listed here that could ever hope dent an Ori Crusader.

ori the only thing the ori ship couldn't handle in the above list is the Super sta rdestroyer, it would kill a sovereign class and would just defeat a star destroyer...

for those who don't know an official firepower figue for star destroyer turbo lasers is 200 gigatons!!!!!!!!!!!!

It was in fact 50 per cannon, for turrets sporting four cannons each.
And that was for the Acclamators (AOTC).
Numbers had to rise, of course, for ROTS. And thus they became even more absurd, as a consequence, for the classic trilogy.
Numbers which have non canonical evidence to rely on (those same books come with numbers which are directly contradicted by the film, like for example the shield or firepower figures about the geonosian fighters and LAATs seen in AOTC).
Before Saxton's infused his wank into the ICS brand, which were kind of respectable source guides for EU products, fans estimated that the biggest cannons on the back of the Empire's star destroyers were more or less around 2 GT, with medium turbolasers in the mid megaton range.

I mean, it's like if a guy suddenly decided to claim that a single Ori beam could actually dig a China sized crater on the surface of Earth.
In simpler terms, a fine pile of smelly BS.

This is ship to ship combat, not Prior to ship combat, I think we're referring to the ships themselves, not the people on them, as we could just as easily assume, we have Q on board to help us out.

What? o_o well look what's going against those shields, Hatak blasts and Rail gun shots? Nukes aren't so effective at pwning shields.

Read my point above, in the part of my reply adressed to Buba. You'll see what I meant by comparing those two shields.

Well considering that the sovereigns firepower rates in to the HIGH Terawatts, i'm thinking it has a chance...,

High terawatts is only several tens, or eventually hundreds of kilotons of energy per second.
Even old gen Ha'tak shields can easily deal with such levels of energy.
Totally curbstomp in favor of the Ori.

including firing what are more or less ZPM's as it's standard torpedo

I doubt it. I've heard that the method just multiplies the best Federation torpedoe yields from the last century by 3 or 4, and this are supposedly high end figures.
If we go with high end estimations for Ha'taks, then even those upgraded torpedoes would not pose a threat to a Ha'tak.

and that's not even the highest yield weapon in ST. There is a torpedo , that's rated at around 200 Isotons, when a quantum is around 45ish?

Isotons?
Is that several orders of magnitude higher than scriptatons?

[timpanogos]

Wow! I'm going to have to come out of posting limbo to respond to this one.

I'm not a fan of fanwank or cannon wank for that matter, absurdity tends to ruin a story. ICS: 200 gigatons per shot, freek's claim that star wars vessels have no shields, and kharaa's equally ridiculous claims that turbolasers only have power ratings of 100 KW (he might be surprised that the U.S. military has MW range lasers and has had them for decades) are absurd and unsupportable. And what is this crap with invented math ala isotonnes. What the heck does that mean?

Personally I think the Star Wars verse warships could own just about anyone from mainstream Sci-Fi (Ancients, Ori, and Asgaurd excluded in all cases short of the Death Star and possibly a SSD). I think the StarGate verse does own all other franchises due to sheer coolness and wit factor! B5 owns due to nostalgia factor. And in my own heretical opinion Star Trek dies because communists and socialists always loose, and I hate the franchise. (just kidding)

Have fun bickering, I've sure enjoyed my two cents.

[Quezovercoatl]

I think it would be fair to saw that any Culture ship could smack the crap out of an ori ship

[Cameron Mitchel]

Ori vs

... Starwars
Imperial Class Star Destroyer
Type: Capital starship
Weapons: 60 Turbolaser Batteries, 60 Ion Cannon Batteries, 10 Tractor Beam Projectors
Number of Crew: 37,085 individuals
Passenger Capacity: 9,700 Troops



Since none of the starwars ships have known shielding, the Ori weapon would probably simply shoot right trough the ship. As far as we know, Star Destroyers are extremely slow and would therefore be an easy target. Their weapons (Ion cannons, Lasers, Rockets) would no doubt put the Ori shields to a test, however, we have seen that Ha'tak fleets have no effect on these toilet ships, so we can assume that a Star Destroyer would be reduced to a burning heap of rubble within a few minutes.

Super Star Destroyer Executor
Type: Super-class Star Destroyer
Weapons: Turbolaser Batteries, Heavy Turbolaser Batteries, Concussion Missile Tubes, Ion Cannons, Tractor Beam Emplacements
Number of Crew: 280,734
Passenger Capacity: 38,000 troops

Although massive, this ship is extremely slow and does not posses shielding, like the Imperial Star Destroyer. However, its massive size, many squadrons of fighters and the fact that its weapons pack a punch, it might be able to penetrate Ori shielding. Should the Ori however fire a few shots at this collosal beast, it would be as useless as any ship from the Imperial Fleet.


.... Star Trek

Sovereign class

This ship would be more then a match for a lone Ori toilet ship. Since these ships all carry shields that are very powerful it would take the Ori a few shots to penetrate their shielding, and then the ships hull. The biggest benefactor would be its agility and speed, it would circle around the Ori ships firing from all sides with their fases, and quantum torpedoes. It would be safe to assume that StarTrek ships / fleets would be more then a match for the Ori.

Well, the Ori shields are still powerful, we dont really know how strong they are, and we dont know how much damage an unstable wormhole vortex can do to other ships.

Against the first one, i would say that the Ori would win, not by much, but i think they would. The Ori have ALOT more advanced technology, there weapons + defencive sheilds, look at the episode how the Ori defence satalite beam went strait throught the sheilds of the Promo. But if the weapons don't go through the sheilds, i'd say this would probably be equil. But eventually lose.

The second one is a masive very well armored and very well built/strong star ship. I would have no doubt that the Executor would win, all though the Ori weapon would most likely go through the sheilds, it would take so many shots to take the thing down. I'd say probably 9 or 10. Just a guess. But all of the weapons on the ship, would own it so hard. As i said in the other one, if it didn't go through the sheilds, i would say this would absolutly own the Ori ship.

The Star Trek ship, Sovereign class, this ship has very good sheilds, and good weapons, but not many weapons/forms to attack with. It would do good damage to the Ori, but wouldn't really do good if the Ori ship kept firing at it. This ship would get taken down so easy.

Well that is my opinion, i'm probably wrong, but thats what i think. This was a good topic , i can't beleive how good the Executor is, look at the people it can hold, and the size, i mean.. Wow..

Well, sheer bulk could be anything? Sorry, see how much railguns did to a wraith hive ship(big size difference b/w Executor and hive)? And, since the Ori weapons could probably go through the shields, then what if the pulse turrets take out all the weaponry, or a good number? And, what if a prior transports himself into the enemy ship? You still have to take into account the powerful shielding of the Ori ships.

True, but think of how strong the Ori weapons are, wouldn't take that much to take down a Star Wars ship (no offence to SW ). Well atleast i don't think so. Ori are powerfull, they have very good technology.

I agree. Shielding alone shows that.

I would say the sovereign, don't quote me on this, but in one of the various tech manuals for star wars, the lasers are rated around 100 KW or something like that. whereas a phaser for the sovereign is..


Also, Quantum torpedos work by creating a zero point explosion.. basically you're huge ZPM's.

I would say the sovereign would have the best chance of winning against the Ori.

No, it probably wouldnt.

Quantum Torpedoes are able to penetrate shields We dont know much about the accuracy of the Ori weapons since we haven't seen them in action against fast moving ships.

As for starwars ships moving in fleets, I agree. Typically, an Imperial fleet prepped for combat would consist of 4 Imperial Star Destroyers, and one Super Star Destroyer. These would carry many TIE fighters nad TIE bombers, as well as troop transports to invade planets.

HOWEVER, we have seen that starwars ships are relatively weak, half of their shots miss, and when they do hit, they seem to do some pretty hefty damage to their opposing starwars ships. The Ori weapon would need only one or two shots at an ISD, and my guess is about 6 at an SSD. Now, the Ori typically also move in fleets of 3 or 4 ships when going into battle, and their ships also have some pretty awesome / overpowered fighters on board.

StarTrek fleets would totaly waste the Ori, their most advanced fleets consist of lots of anti-borg ships like the Sovereign, Akira and Defiant-class ships.

I haven't bothered listing BSG ships, since we know one or two nukes takes out a Battlestar. so an Ori beam weapon wouldnt have any problems with those at all.

First of all, Ori shields are different technology, so we dont know if the quantom torpedoes can penetrate it. Second, Borg is different technology than Ancient/Ori. So, if there ships are only Anti-Borg, then we already know who is going to win.

So let's resume. A prior is able to cast a shield that will able to entirely cover a planet, protect it from anything, absorb enemy fire and eventually, when necessary, crush a planet into a black hole.
That without any particular power source safe eventually an open stargate with only a limited amount of power transfer allowed, and a staff.

On the other hand, you have a warship, powered by a generator dwarfing a 304 and protected by shields that render any suicidal Ha'tak as effective as an insect splattering against a windshield.

Eventually, logic would follow the idea that if there's something that can take down those ori shields, it's certainly not raw firepower.

Correct.

i agree non of those ships have what it takes to bring down the ori, even a cube would be smashed to pieces though i'm sure it could adapt eventually

I agree to this as well.

This is ship to ship combat, not Prior to ship combat, I think we're referring to the ships themselves, not the people on them, as we could just as easily assume, we have Q on board to help us out.



What? o_o well look what's going against those shields, Hatak blasts and Rail gun shots? Nukes aren't so effective at pwning shields.



Well considering that the sovereigns firepower rates in to the HIGH Terawatts, i'm thinking it has a chance.., including firing what are more or less ZPM's as it's standard torpedo, and that's not even the highest yield weapon in ST. There is a torpedo , that's rated at around 200 Isotons, when a quantum is around 45ish?



Uh.. The reasoning be why the Defiant or Soverign would be more then a match for an Ori war ship, is the fact they both incredible reletive agility and speed, and their firepower is pretty impressive. and I agree with your statement before that a Cube could probably take out a number of Ori ships, Lets not forget that if it Came to boarding action, shields do NOT stop the borg, they walk right through them, all it takes is for them to inject nano probes in to something, could you imagine a infected Prior? YIKES.

Edit: and to what i was getting at with the borg, they have omni-directional weaponry, torpedos that rival the power of a quantum, plus beams that slice straight through anything, and if things got desperate, a device that would vaporize a large portion of the solar system.

The Prior would immediately kill anyone who came aboard the ship. And, the Ori ships would destroy the Borg Cube before it did anything. And, adding to the first sentence I made, the Prior would burn himself if he got infected.

I'd give the Ori ship the normal Star Destroyer (barely) and the Enterprise but the Executor is going to murder it. The thing is almost 20 KM long and it does have shields, and enough sheer bulk to take multiple ubergun hits.

The Defiant dies to those smaller pulse weapons the toilet seat's got though, don't forget about those.

The Executor shields , how strong are they, compared to other star wars ships? I can't remember from the movies. And yes, a was all into starwars for a while. Any way, size doenst matter. Sheer bulk doesnt matter. The weapon could wipe it out in several hits from the Executor. Even if the Ori ships shoot 20-30 times, which by the way, looking from

Spoiler:

Counterstrike, where the Ori uberweapon shot remarkibly fast at the Dakara weapon.

shoot very fast, the Executors weapons probably couldnt do a thing to the Ori ships. Another Executor could wipe out an Executor, but another Ori ship couldnt wipe out another Ori ship. Anyway, Star Wars ships arent that strong. In comparison to other SW ships, yes.

And, to finish off this post. The Ori have advanced shielding, so much, that the Asgard could penetrate it. IMO, the drones can't penetrate it, even though it could do sufficient damage. IMHO, One Ori ships against one Executor, Ori ship would win. ONe Ori ship against the most powerful ST ship, Ori ship would win. That's just my opinion. The fact is, we dont have the same kind of specs for SG that we have for SW and ST.

[Lord of Nightmares]

Honestly speaking, I personally can't really see any single ship in the Star Trek universe short of possibly the Doomsday Machine taking out an Ori battlecruiser one-on-one. The Asgard are considerably more advanced than the Federation in terms of starship technology, and we saw how effective an O'Neill battlecruiser was against an Ori vessel.

Against an ISD, the Ori vessel *should* be able to win, but only if I'm basing it on real-world physics and not the ISD's canon stats which seem to imply that a single turbolaser blast is more powerful than our strongest hydrogen warhead. Seriously, the official technical data for Star Wars ships is just ludicrous, making them far and away more powerful than any other ships I've seen/read in sci-fi.

I won't even consider pitting the Ori ship against the Executor in a straight-up firefight if that were the case, it'd take the former vessel god-knows how long firing its main beam weapon nonstop before the Executor's shields even flagged. Although I guess the Ori cruiser could attempt a suicide run on the Executor's bridge (its shields should be able to survive the crapload of turbolaser turrets dotted around the tower), or send several fighters to attempt the run, especially if they were fighting over a planet with a strong gravitational pull. That being said, if they were able to somehow transport a single Prior on board the Executor, he should be able to take out the ship from within, unless there happened to be another, uh, I mean a Force user onboard to bar his way.

And finally, no one even try and bring the Sun Crusher into this, I don't see any ships in the Stargate universe, even Anubis's mothership or an entire fleet of Ori battlecruisers standing even the remotest chance of winning.

[Dark Falcon]

even a borg cube??? borg cubes are far more powerful than defiant classes and sovereign classes infact they're possible the most power ship in the star trek galaxy!

and it didn't take 1 hit to blow up it took several, and species 8472 can blow up planets

Who here thinks that Species 8472 can stand up to the Ori ships?
IMO, I think that Species 8472 will PWN the Ori ships and the Ori
in general because in "SCORPION PART 1" we learned that Species 8472
are a telepathic race. Plus, they can also poison their enemies.

How about the "shadow aliens" from Babylon 5 vs. Ori ships?

[An-Alteran]

Species 8472 and The Doomsday machine both could certainly destroy the Orii ships.

8472 has displayed firepower easily like that of the Orii if not far greater.

[Buba uognarf]

Who here thinks that Species 8472 can stand up to the Ori ships?
IMO, I think that Species 8472 will PWN the Ori ships and the Ori
in general because in "SCORPION PART 1" we learned that Species 8472
are a telepathic race. Plus, they can also poison their enemies.

How about the "shadow aliens" from Babylon 5 vs. Ori ships?

8472 would crush the ori one on one and also in an all war (as long as the ascended don't intervene) not only can they annilate borg cubes in a few hits, when a small fleet of them combine their firepower they can destroy planets death star style! I hate what voyager did to species 8472 they had so much potential as a villian

but seriously 8472 are maneuverable enough to dodge the Ori main canon and decent amount of pulse canon hits and they have comparable weapons and the only thing we've seen take one out besides nano probe torpedos is a head on collision with a borg cube something many thousands of times bigger and it still took the cube with it...

[Dark Falcon]

8472 would crush the ori one on one and also in an all war (as long as the ascended don't intervene) not only can they annilate borg cubes in a few hits, when a small fleet of them combine their firepower they can destroy planets death star style! I hate what voyager did to species 8472 they had so much potential as a villian

but seriously 8472 are maneuverable enough to dodge the Ori main canon and decent amount of pulse canon hits and they have comparable weapons and the only thing we've seen take one out besides nano probe torpedos is a head on collision with a borg cube something many thousands of times bigger and it still took the cube with it...

Yeah, I'm also sad (and mad) that Species 8472 was killed off after just 2 episodes.

I agree, the bioships are highly maneuverable and capable of dodging the Ori main cannon and taking enemy ships with them.

Will the "shadow" aliens from Babylon 5 stand a chance against the Ori?

[Kingomon]

The Ori would defeat any ship in a ship to ship battle. I don't have desgens but if it can cut through goauld ship in one shot and take asgard ship in two then every ships in trouble.Plus the shields held aginast an assult of tons of goauld ships, one Asgard ship, and two Earth ships then there is no way you can defeat it.