instantaneous travel through a wormhole?

[briguy213]

Thanks, Im gonna go check it out

[briguy213]

How would artificial gravity work on say a goa'uld cargo ship?

[jaden10]

Oh side note.

I just dug this back up from a DVD I made last year.

During my last year at CalTech I wrote a paper on Teleportation Physics.

Being none of this is classified, I am willing to share it with anyone who may be interested in the finer details of "transporter technology" and what would need to be done and so forth.

If you are interested PM me with your email addy.

[hooly]

I understand the stuff about subspace (as it exists in the show), but I thought I've heard it mentioned that the stargate sends you instantaneously through space. I didn't realise the massive amounts of power involved in doing this (I'm sure the writers or whoever wouldn't have really cared though). Maybe I'm getting confused with other sci-fi or maybe they stopped saying it in the later seasons? If this goes on I'll try dig up some quotes.

[briguy213]

Thank you very much for the information jaden

[_Owen_]

I think I know what you where confused with. In Stargate "instantaneous" is a word used more than commonly, they reffer to the speed matter is de and re materialized as instantaneous, they reffer to the time the gate takes to activate, and for the event horizon, instantaneous. It is very probable that the way they stated something made it sound like the gate worked instantaneously.

Owen Macri

[Chevron_nine]

As someone who has a PhD in Quantum Mechanics I can explain in detail.
The reason that the matter doesn't automaticly reintegrate is because of one special reason. SUBSPACE. Just because subspace is VASTLY and EXTREMELY faster then normal space, there still is travel time. no matter where you gate to. Subspace certainly DOES has a speed limit, but because we haven't advanced far enough to utilize it we do not know the maximum speed is.

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First of all let me state that it's late and I have nothing better to do. Another thing you should know about me is I can't stand people who BS.

A PhD in Quantum Mechanics? I'm no PhD in Quantum mechanics or anything, but I'm pretty sure subspace is a concept of scifi and not reality."Subspace certainly DOES has a speed limit". For someone with a PhD I sure hope you used better grammar to write your Thesis.

Now what your thinking of is folding space which would allow matter to appear instantaniously from one gate to the next, but folding space required a massive amount of power, that on the likes of 2 of our suns. Not even a ZPM can supply that even thought it has enough explosive power to wipe a solar system out.
Not to mention one thing that has been discovered, Folding space also obviously generate a massive gravity well, so much so it has been theorised that is can obliterate matter by crushing it and distorting the DNA of matter, as to where the artifical wormhole that the stargate creates doesn't creat a gravity field, it doesn't warp space, it just send the object/person into subspace to the other gate.

There's just too much BS in here that I don't want to go into too much detail since there's more I want to rant about in your following posts.

It does get very complicated. So much so I don't think many people would have the patience to go through all the theoretical calculations.

An excellent excuse

I am a consultant for JPL, I am one of the people who is helping design the ship that will carry the explorers to Mars.

You're a consultant for JPL which is based in California, yet you say you're from Largo, Florida? must be a long commute to work.

To be honest when I was a wee lad all I wanted to do it be a minister (talk about a complete 180). But it is cool, especially when you see the end results. But also there is a flip side, Long night up trying to figure out problems (like tonight ) and making plans that WILL work (in theory at least). The one rather large pain in the arse, since September 11th security has gotten very very tight (for obvious reason, we don't want a potential terrorist getting plans on a orbiter or a space craft and build one that can be used for offensive reasons). And because of the tight security it becomes a bit annoying to literally have someone up your arse checking you and your family our for questionable associates. But I feel it is worth it.

I can understand increased security, but do you honestly think terrorists are going to build an offensive orbiter or space craft? There are much more efficient, and a hell of a lot easier ways to terrorise people.

Let me tell you something about being lucky, you make your own luck if you follow your passions with a vengence.

So you're saying you want to have revenge on your passions?

Here is the list of schools I went to.
MIT
UCLA
CalTech.

I got my PhD from MIT in Quantum Physics/Mechanics
I got my Associate in Computer science from UCLA
And I got my second PhD in Theoretical Quantum Physics

Yes, it is true that there actually IS a class in Theoretical QP.

But also I needed to talk classes in other subjects which got me Certificates in Computer Repair (MSCP, A+) and I also got a AA in Business Mangement (nothing else struck my fancy)

Are you sure you got your PhD in Quantum Physics from MIT, because last time I checked MIT was specialised in Information Technology, and Mechanical Engineering and only offered an Introductory course in Quantum Mechanics, although I could be wrong.


So now you don't only have one but two PhD's? I wouldn't have posted this reply if it wasn't for this specific post of yours. I could have let the first post slip, some people like to pretend to be someone they're not, but to go as so far as to say you have two PhD's and have people on the board believe you I think is taking it too far. There are people who go through hard work and stay in school for years to get a PhD and claiming to be a expert in Quantum Mechanics when you're clearly not is like spitting in the faces of those people who've actually gotten a PhD. I don't have a PhD, but I know people who do.

For obvious reasons I can't get into alot of detail because of Security reasons. Some of the things I am working on will also be used in Military Tech, so I have to tip toe.

In general, I am working with a team on the propulsion and artifical gravity technologies (propulsion for a speedy trip and artifical gravity so there is less of a chance that the crew doesn't loose bone and muscle mass in Zero G)
Also some of the computer hardware for the ship. But that is all I can say.
Actually no, what I can say is when all this stuff does come to the publics attention, it WILL revolutionize the computer and the travel industries.
But that is all I can get into.

So, they have you working on multiple unrelated projects, Military tech, propulsion and artificial gravity. Last time I checked most industries have workers who specialise in one specific field and don't go running all over working on unrelated projects. In fact most of the time they have multiple people working on each project, especially at the JPL. To me it seems like your TWO PhD's in Quantum Mechanics are going to waste at the jobs you're doing. They don't seem to be related to Quantum Mechanics at all.

I can tell you right now, and it is pretty common knowledge, the stage that we are at with Artifical Gravity is this.
we put a big cylinder on the ship somewhere, in the middle sounds about right and we spin it up to about 80-110 feet per minute and you have gravity. But I won't lie, that is expensive and bulky as hell to build, it would have to be done in space.

as for finding stuff out, goto google and put in "Artifical Gravity" and it will come up with some good choices.

And yes for the wondering people out there, alot of the tech that we have going is Startrek inspired. And it is very true, if it wasn't for Trek, about 60-70% of the people in this field would not be in it. HAIL GENE RODDENBERRY

Well it looks like you finally decided to cite your source of information


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[_Owen_]

Well, it looks like you have some evidence here, but I personally don't know so, I can't argue for jaden.

Personally, I don't care if he has PHds, I don't care if every word that comes out of his mouth is a lie, I don't care why he would want to lie, I don't care if he lied or not. Jaden is a really nice guy, he knows his stuff, whether he has phds or not.

Personally, if you have a problem, you should have taken it up with him in private, there is a private message system that gateworld uses, there is no reason to pull the thread off topic because you decided to attack him because of some things he posted, personally, I don't know why you had to attack him, who does he hurt by saying he has phds, whether it is the truth or not. If everyone in the world let things go, our world would be a lot better.

Owen Macri

[hooly]

I think I know what you where confused with. In Stargate "instantaneous" is a word used more than commonly, they reffer to the speed matter is de and re materialized as instantaneous, they reffer to the time the gate takes to activate, and for the event horizon, instantaneous. It is very probable that the way they stated something made it sound like the gate worked instantaneously.

Owen Macri

That's a very good point, Owen. I think that's cleared it up for me but I'll be listening like a hawk if they say anything. cheers.

BTW, don't you like it when you think you've finished your cup of tea, but when you look in there is still a good amount left?

[jaden10]

Before I begin I am going to apologize to anyone who takes offense to what i am to say. First though, Thank you Owen.

Chevron nine, you say BS, now while you didn't out and out call me a liar, I am going to assume your talking to me.

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First of all let me state that it's late and I have nothing better to do. Another thing you should know about me is I can't stand people who BS.

A PhD in Quantum Mechanics? I'm no PhD in Quantum mechanics or anything, but I'm pretty sure subspace is a concept of scifi and not reality."Subspace certainly DOES has a speed limit". For someone with a PhD I sure hope you used better grammar to write your Thesis.
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I don't bull****, I can't afford to. As for my grammar, I don't care what you think, if you look carefully at the time of posting it is late at night, and unless you are cranked up on energy pills, one would belive that one would be tired.
As for subspace, you saying that from your limited understanding of not only space, but science. We honestly do not have any proof of such a dimention, IT HAS ONLY BE THEORISED (I know my spelling sucks, it's 430 in the am)

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The comment of folding space, read up on that subject, be it Sci-fi or even books on physics.

excellent excuse? Apparently you didn't read my paper of teleportation. So unless you feel the need to match brain power, I suggest you stop before you get behind the 8 ball with your mouth

As for JPL being based in California, your correct, but there are 2 JPL "offices" here in Florida, One in the cape, and one here in Clearwater florida.
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I can understand increased security, but do you honestly think terrorists are going to build an offensive orbiter or space craft? There are much more efficient, and a hell of a lot easier ways to terrorise people.

Personally I don't think they would, but look at the US government, if they had it there way we would all have transmitters rammed up our ass.
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So you're saying you want to have revenge on your passions?
Well I can see that someone didn't pay attention in english class.

In the sense I was saying it, Vengence means to go after it and let nothing get in your way.
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Are you sure you got your PhD in Quantum Physics from MIT, because last time I checked MIT was specialised in Information Technology, and Mechanical Engineering and only offered an Introductory course in Quantum Mechanics, although I could be wrong.

Look deeper in there website, and one of the courses I had to take was Mechanical Engineering.
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So now you don't only have one but two PhD's? I wouldn't have posted this reply if it wasn't for this specific post of yours. I could have let the first post slip, some people like to pretend to be someone they're not, but to go as so far as to say you have two PhD's and have people on the board believe you I think is taking it too far. There are people who go through hard work and stay in school for years to get a PhD and claiming to be a expert in Quantum Mechanics when you're clearly not is like spitting in the faces of those people who've actually gotten a PhD. I don't have a PhD, but I know people who do.

Yeah I have 2 PhD's, it isn't unheard of, there are people out there with 5 PhD's. and yes it took me years to work on them, and if your wondering I am 31, I was done HS at 16. That gave me some time to study.
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So, they have you working on multiple unrelated projects, Military tech, propulsion and artificial gravity. Last time I checked most industries have workers who specialise in one specific field and don't go running all over working on unrelated projects. In fact most of the time they have multiple people working on each project, especially at the JPL. To me it seems like your TWO PhD's in Quantum Mechanics are going to waste at the jobs you're doing. They don't seem to be related to Quantum Mechanics at all.


Apparently someone doesn't understand technology.
THEY ALL GO HAND IN HAND, If you remember correctly from the news or evene reading it, The US is aiming to put people back on the moon and mars.
Don't you think that they are trying to cut down on the travel time it will take to get to Mars? And something else you apparently don't know, Lack of gravity will reduce the strength of the bones. The ony way to keep it up during a long flight in space is GRAVITY.
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Well it looks like you finally decided to cite your source of information

As for that, ummm no. I get my information by doing something you are apparently ignorant to, I READ BOOKS, I EXPEREMENT, I ATTEND THOSE GOD AWEFUL SIMPOSIUMS, AND WE WRITE OUT THE EQUATIONS.-
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So in short, If you don't know what your talking about, shut the hell up. cause you just made yourself look like a bonafied ******* with no concept of knowledge. And as far as my qulifications, It is not your place to judge, I busted my ass to get where I am at today, and I will be damned if some snot nose punk challenges me and disrespects me in a open forum.
So go talk your trash to someone who gives 2 ****s.

[Loaf]

PHD an 2 of them *faints*
JPL
quantum mechanics makes my head hurt

dosn't that meen your Dr jaden

if you 2 must fight try not to destroy the entire space time continum in the process

[nicedog]

As someone who has a PhD in Quantum Mechanics I can explain in detail.
The reason that the matter doesn't automaticly reintegrate is because of one special reason. SUBSPACE. Just because subspace is VASTLY and EXTREMELY faster then normal space, there still is travel time. no matter where you gate to. Subspace certainly DOES has a speed limit, but because we haven't advanced far enough to utilize it we do not know the maximum speed is.

Now what your thinking of is folding space which would allow matter to appear instantaniously from one gate to the next, but folding space required a massive amount of power, that on the likes of 2 of our suns. Not even a ZPM can supply that even thought it has enough explosive power to wipe a solar system out.
Not to mention one thing that has been discovered, Folding space also obviously generate a massive gravity well, so much so it has been theorised that is can obliterate matter by crushing it and distorting the DNA of matter, as to where the artifical wormhole that the stargate creates doesn't creat a gravity field, it doesn't warp space, it just send the object/person into subspace to the other gate.

It does get very complicated. So much so I don't think many people would have the patience to go through all the theoretical calculations.

As someone who has a PHD in mechanics i find it disturbing that you've replied such non-sense. You have not even tried to back it up.

[jaden10]

As someone who has a PHD in mechanics i find it disturbing that you've replied such non-sense. You have not even tried to back it up.

Why should I prove to you anything when you already have it made up in your mind that I am not telling the truth, One thing we learn while going for a PhD, is that no ones opinion matters until it is a proven fact that has been tested. So take your small opinion (which is how I feel) and go do something constructive with it. I refuse to have a battle of the wits with a unarmed person.. Thank you and good night.

[jaden10]

PHD an 2 of them *faints*
JPL
quantum mechanics makes my head hurt

dosn't that meen your Dr jaden

if you 2 must fight try not to destroy the entire space time continum in the process

Na I have no reason to detroy anything. I just find it annoying that I busted my arse for over 10 years to get this far, and perhaps farther to have someone who apparently has no grasp or concept of what I do for a living day in and day out come along and try to belittle what I love to do for a living. It's actually a insult. Now if he has a PhD or even a Masters in what I do, I have no problems swapping ideas or even concepts, cause every ounce of posative input is welcome to the nth degree, cause it is because of ideas that technology is where it is at.

And honestly people I am not here to make anyone feel stupid, I find this area of the message board highly intellegent and I will be honest some of the ideas I see being kicked around are brilliant, because it is those ideas that will push us as a race into space and beyond, I can honestly see people like Marci go into the same field that I am in and be quite successful if he chooses to be. I mean there is absolutly no limit what-so-ever with any idea I have seen.
But there is ALWAYS one person who either by jealousy or whatever that tries to ruin it for all of us. Now if it is envy, then here is my suggestion, and your NEVER too old to do it, goto Collage or a Uni, or even a tech school and go from there. I have one person who I work with who is in his mid 50's who just got his PhD and he is working on Propultion for jets, there is a kid (early 20's) who is working on next gen computers for the successor to the shuttle. Come on, where else can you have so much fun doing what you love and make a ton of money and going home feeling you did something great? Unless you love Fast Food or being a sales men, I can't see it.

But I digress, If he wants to go head to head fine, If he wants proof of whatever papers I have written, No problem (it will be in secure PDF though). I have no problem what-so-ever showing people the papers that I worked on (well at least papers that I can share).

[Loaf]

you do classified work

are you sure the CIA won't have you wacked when you retire just to make sure, an just out of curisoity what do you work on