The attack on Earth

[Ouroboros]

Stealing atlantis is an interesting idea, and something they might actually be able to pull off. Can ancient sensors see through Goa'uld cloaks or not, because they could land commando teams via cargoship, seize control of the bridge and have one of their own experts fly it away.

It's unlikely to be heavily guarded sitting in the ocean on Earth being researched, and it's too powerful on it's own for any of Earth's ships to stop it or shoot it down before it books it into hyperspace.

The only main thing I can see that would foil them, would be if all the damage from the superhive battle hadn't been repaired yet, or if some of the ZPMs had been removed and taken elsewhere for study.

[morbosfist]

There's no way they could steal it. Even if they had someone with the gene, which is admittedly possible, they'd have to get own tp the chair room and guard it while they took off. They'd also have to kill everyone in the city. Not to mention that anyone in the control room, where they would be absolutely incapable of landing, would just lock every door.

[thekillman]

The whole big problem with this is that the LA shouldn't want Earth's attention on them. Even if they mount a successful attack, I'd imagine it would be something like Pearl Harbor. Yeah, great job, you did a lot of damage... but you just awoke a giant. You don't smack a beehive with a stick.

The LA should be ignoring Earth, mostly. There are plenty of other resources and planets out there, that Earth shouldn't be a concern. Earth can't police the whole galaxy. Sure, Earth may have some nice tech, but for what the LA rules over and the leftover Goa'uld tech they have, it should be fine.

But honestly, it feels more like they'll attempt it with ships. After all, they did a standard attack on Icarus, not using anything special. If they did have something special, or more forces, they would have taken Icarus fairly easily.

earth is an annoying pest in the eyes of the LA that is best exterminated before the gate becomes public knowledge.


the LA could easily exterminate all life on earth.

I'm not really buying cloaked cargo ships full of nukes hitting cities and stuff like that.

ah yes the damage SG1 did to the LA's credibility.

I am not a physicist but I strongly suspect one going off anywhere on the planet would be an extinction level event.

not extinction. but let me put it like this: you'll always hit something important. throw it into the sea, and the explosion will cause a tsunami. throw it in some remote desert and the shockwave will still obliterate some major city.

Stealing atlantis is an interesting idea, and something they might actually be able to pull off. Can ancient sensors see through Goa'uld cloaks or not, because they could land commando teams via cargoship, seize control of the bridge and have one of their own experts fly it away.

It's unlikely to be heavily guarded sitting in the ocean on Earth being researched, and it's too powerful on it's own for any of Earth's ships to stop it or shoot it down before it books it into hyperspace.

The only main thing I can see that would foil them, would be if all the damage from the superhive battle hadn't been repaired yet, or if some of the ZPMs had been removed and taken elsewhere for study

find some sort of personal cloak (sodan?), infiltrate atlantis by the gate (hitch a ride with an SG team), and go take it over. if you bring a naquahdah generator along and take the tower you pretty much own the city anyway

There's no way they could steal it. Even if they had someone with the gene, which is admittedly possible, they'd have to get own tp the chair room and guard it while they took off. They'd also have to kill everyone in the city. Not to mention that anyone in the control room, where they would be absolutely incapable of landing, would just lock every door.

oh and at this point za'tarc technology would be very handy. someone would...just..forget..to push a button.


but seriously:

take ten highly trained LA people. equip them with sodan cloaks, if needed Kull armor (if that's still around) or some other cool, useful armor. sneak around the city, interface some sort of stunner crystal with the shields. (ARG is compatible, why shouldn't the cloaking crystals from tel'tak be) let a Za'tarc raise the shield. everyone is stunned. well except the LA people because they have the same armor as the guy from Deadman's switch. up next: the LA people take control of the gateroom and they have control over the city. cue a stardrive activation and a trip deep within LA territory.


same game for our 304's: za'tarc some people, have them overload a Mark I generator onboard, and boom, ship gone.

[Blackhole]

not extinction. but let me put it like this: you'll always hit something important. throw it into the sea, and the explosion will cause a tsunami. throw it in some remote desert and the shockwave will still obliterate some major city.

Do the math, 60,000 Nagasaki bombs would do a whole lot more than "always hit something important".

[Ouroboros]

There's no way they could steal it. Even if they had someone with the gene, which is admittedly possible, they'd have to get own tp the chair room and guard it while they took off. They'd also have to kill everyone in the city. Not to mention that anyone in the control room, where they would be absolutely incapable of landing, would just lock every door.

They'd basically just need the bridge and the control chair to actually steel it. To secure it and turn it to their own purposes would come later when they fly it to wherever they're taking it.

So basically take over the bridge/chair room and lock down all doors and compartments in the city to prevent people moving around.

Fly city off Earth to Lucian alliance territory.

Land on a LA planet or dock with some Ha'taks and sweep the ship for trapped people.

Ransom them back to Earth/sell them as slaves etc.

[morbosfist]

take ten highly trained LA people. equip them with sodan cloaks, if needed Kull armor (if that's still around) or some other cool, useful armor. sneak around the city, interface some sort of stunner crystal with the shields. (ARG is compatible, why shouldn't the cloaking crystals from tel'tak be) let a Za'tarc raise the shield. everyone is stunned. well except the LA people because they have the same armor as the guy from Deadman's switch. up next: the LA people take control of the gateroom and they have control over the city. cue a stardrive activation and a trip deep within LA territory.

They almost surely can't get Sodan cloaks (only the SGC has access) and Kull armor is a mite difficult to get off the warriors (not to mention they'd be in Jaffa hands). They'd have to know exactly how to reconfigure the shield grid, which is extremely doubtful, and even then there's no "stunner crystals" that we know of. A Tel'tak cloak doesn't stun, either. Assuming they even could, they'd need full Kull gear to be protected; the guy from Deadman's switch only had body protection, and they'd get hit in the head. We don't know if they have Za'tarc tech; normal Goa'uld brainwashing isn't the same thing, and takes longer. In short, for your scenario to work, the LA would have to be unfeasibly well-prepared.

same game for our 304's: za'tarc some people, have them overload a Mark I generator onboard, and boom, ship gone.

They don't just leave those things lying around. And again, you assume they have the tech. Not only that, the LA would have to find a guy who works on the ship and has the access to the tech, find where he lives and attack him while he's vulnerable, then send him back and hope he gets the chance.

They'd basically just need the bridge and the control chair to actually steel it. To secure it and turn it to their own purposes would come later when they fly it to wherever they're taking it.

So basically take over the bridge/chair room and lock down all doors and compartments in the city to prevent people moving around.

Fly city off Earth to Lucian alliance territory.

Land on a LA planet or dock with some Ha'taks and sweep the ship for trapped people.

Ransom them back to Earth/sell them as slaves etc.

The bridge is at the top of the tower, and only jumpers can land there. The only place a Tel'tak could land would be on one of the piers. They could never take Atlantis as long as it was fully manned.

[MechaThor]

The last line of this episode confuses me, as it makes it seem like Scott was implying that in that 9 hour gap, their was infact an attack "we could have prevented it", with this adding weight to Rush's choice.
Sure that was not the chase and just the wording however.

[Galileo_Galilee]

I think he was probably referring to Simeon's actions.

[Knaves]

I think Scott is trying to wipe clean any future guilt that such an attack might gain, and guilt trip the emotionally raw Rush as much as he could. It was a strange thing for the Scott that we have come to know to say, almost like suddenly he has a moral superiority to Rush (maybe because his girl is still alive and is now magic).

[thekillman]

They don't just leave those things lying around.

which is why i would za'tarc some inconspicuous technician with access to the backup power generator.

They almost surely can't get Sodan cloaks

plenty of cloaking technology around. perhaps even an asgard one (Shades of Grey)

and Kull armor is a mite difficult to get off the warriors (not to mention they'd be in Jaffa hands)

yes jaffa big deal.

We don't know if they have Za'tarc tech; normal Goa'uld brainwashing isn't the same thing, and takes longer. In short, for your scenario to work, the LA would have to be unfeasibly well-prepared.

telford was a spy and noone knew. surely LA brainwash tech is excellent stuff

The last line of this episode confuses me, as it makes it seem like Scott was implying that in that 9 hour gap, their was infact an attack "we could have prevented it", with this adding weight to Rush's choice.
Sure that was not the chase and just the wording however.

no but now that simeon and gynn are dead, so are the chances of getting information on the attack. it can't be prevented now, we don't know what planet the assault comes from.

In short, for your scenario to work, the LA would have to be unfeasibly well-prepared.

what else would they do all that time they're planning the attack? drinking coffee?

[morbosfist]

which is why i would za'tarc some inconspicuous technician with access to the backup power generator.

Which, if he tried to sabotage, someone would almost certainly catch him doing it.

plenty of cloaking technology around. perhaps even an asgard one (Shades of Grey)

Sure, they knew how to find it, but would the Alliance?

yes jaffa big deal.

Big enough that they couldn't steal it without getting caught, or at the very least shot at.

telford was a spy and noone knew. surely LA brainwash tech is excellent stuff

Telford spent a year undercover as a double agent. That's time and access they had which they wouldn't with anyone else.

no but now that simeon and gynn are dead, so are the chances of getting information on the attack. it can't be prevented now, we don't know what planet the assault comes from.

Doesn't mean we can't find out by other means. Just lost the easiest one.

what else would they do all that time they're planning the attack? drinking coffee?

Or running their interstellar crime syndicate.

[Kaiphantom]

Earth has become a power house in the galaxy. I can see why LA would want to eliminate the threat that Earth presents to them. They already have captured our most powerful space battleship and they are still a threat. Terrorists’ organizations are very difficult to destroy just look at our war on terror.

Perhaps you're misunderstanding just how big space is. Earth is just one planet, with perhaps a few bases on other planets and a few ships. It's not like we're actively colonizing. Since space is big enough, you can always find another planet to lord your power over, or get resources you need.

Earth can't cover every planet in the galaxy. Only the Goa'uld and the Asgard could project that amount of power, and both are gone.

[talyn2k1]

I can't remember which episode it was (Bounty?), but Earth is actively waging a guerilla war of its own against the LA, destroying Cassa transports and god knows what else. To them, we are the terrorists who should be exterminated so that they can go about their business. Simeon stated in the episode that he has lost friends and/or family to people from Earth. The LA not only feel wronged by us, but they are well aware that we are the only ones who have the capability and/or the willing to hamper their operations.

As for the attack itself, plenty of possibilities have already been suggested in this thread. Needless to say, they don't need a fleet of uber-powerful Hataks to destroy us. They have already infiltrated us, and that is what makes the attack so worrying. If it were a fleet attack, we could be ready. But as it could come from anywhere, there is basically nothing we can do about it until it happens, unless we can get intel on where it is coming from, which is where Ginn and Simeon came in.

Perhaps you're misunderstanding just how big space is. Earth is just one planet, with perhaps a few bases on other planets and a few ships. It's not like we're actively colonizing. Since space is big enough, you can always find another planet to lord your power over, or get resources you need.

Earth can't cover every planet in the galaxy. Only the Goa'uld and the Asgard could project that amount of power, and both are gone.

[Blackhole]

Perhaps you're misunderstanding just how big space is. Earth is just one planet, with perhaps a few bases on other planets and a few ships. It's not like we're actively colonizing. Since space is big enough, you can always find another planet to lord your power over, or get resources you need.

Earth can't cover every planet in the galaxy. Only the Goa'uld and the Asgard could project that amount of power, and both are gone.

You said in an earlier post: "The whole big problem with this is that the LA shouldn't want Earth's attention on them." and "The LA should be ignoring Earth, mostly. There are plenty of other resources and planets out there, that Earth shouldn't be a concern. Earth can't police the whole galaxy." It is a little late at this point. LA has already commandeered our space flagship, destroyed Icarus and another base and now Destiny. Earth regards the LA as a very dangerous criminal organization, a direct threat to Earth's interests and has every intention of doing whatever is necessary to destroy them. I am not clear on the point you are trying to make? Maybe you don't remember these actions? LA is already our enemy.

[Nth Chevron]

I can't remember which episode it was (Bounty?), but Earth is actively waging a guerilla war of its own against the LA, destroying Cassa transports and god knows what else. To them, we are the terrorists who should be exterminated so that they can go about their business. Simeon stated in the episode that he has lost friends and/or family to people from Earth. The LA not only feel wronged by us, but they are well aware that we are the only ones who have the capability and/or the willing to hamper their operations.

This was after the LA, under orders from Nay'taan, disabled the Odyssey, killed Col. Emerson and nearly killed SG-1.

We hadnt touched upon their business before then in any significant way or with any ill intentions, basically they poked us and we kicked back, they hit us with a rock, we gave them the continuous headbutt of doom, now they're looking for a bigger rock and a more sensitive spot.

N.C