His mom is cured

[Pharaoh Atem]

This is, of course, assuming we have that knowledge in the 1/3 of data we got and can accurately relay it by word of mouth through the stones.

Dang can't green

[Duneknight]

This is, of course, assuming we have that knowledge in the 1/3 of data we got and can accurately relay it by word of mouth through the stones.

well thats assuming they never make it back to earth.

Probably not, AIDS is caused by a retrovirus HIV, that evolved from SIV from Monkeys in africa. If no one on the ship had the virus. Then it doesn't exist on novus. And there is absolutely no chance that a similar virus could evolve in 2000 years. Infact there was probably very little infectious disease when they first founded novus, maybe even none.

That been said it's likely they may have developed other medical technology, like one guy in real life was cured of AIDS after radiation and a bone marrow transplant so if they invented a way of doing that safely and effectively they probably cure it.

Thats what i dont get, they probably would get viruses from the local animals whether its AIDS or not, I can't say i don't know how unique AIDS is. You said AIDS is caused by a retrovirus HIV, cant it be caused by something else? Maybe they have the cure for AIDS but not HIV if that makes sense. Secondly, Eli lived with his mom and all so its possible his blood already contains a bit of HIV which wouldnt harm him but could it be passed on and then evolve into something bigger?

[Phenom]

well thats assuming they never make it back to earth.




Thats what i dont get, they probably would get viruses from the local animals whether its AIDS or not, I can't say i don't know how unique AIDS is. You said AIDS is caused by a retrovirus HIV, cant it be caused by something else? Maybe they have the cure for AIDS but not HIV if that makes sense. Secondly, Eli lived with his mom and all so its possible his blood already contains a bit of HIV which wouldnt harm him but could it be passed on and then evolve into something bigger?

I am no infectious disease specialist (probably should have put that in spoiler tags), but Eli wouldn't have caught HIV from just 'living with his mom', unless that involved having unprotected sex with her, sharing needles or becoming blood brothers.

In relation to the topic, I can't even remember AIDS being mentioned in the ep.

[s09119]

well thats assuming they never make it back to earth.




Thats what i dont get, they probably would get viruses from the local animals whether its AIDS or not, I can't say i don't know how unique AIDS is. You said AIDS is caused by a retrovirus HIV, cant it be caused by something else? Maybe they have the cure for AIDS but not HIV if that makes sense. Secondly, Eli lived with his mom and all so its possible his blood already contains a bit of HIV which wouldnt harm him but could it be passed on and then evolve into something bigger?

It's thinking like this that led to AIDS patients, especially gays and lesbians, being modern day lepers before people actually started getting educated about the virus.

[Phenom]

It's thinking like this that led to AIDS patients, especially gays and lesbians, being modern day lepers before people actually started getting educated about the virus.

Don't assume everyone who posts here is an adult who knows everything about the world. You are right with what you say of course, but I dare say DK is only a young teenager so don't be too harsh.

[s09119]

Don't assume everyone who posts here is an adult who knows everything about the world. You are right with what you say of course, but I dare say DK is only a young teenager so don't be too harsh.

I'm 20 years old, so when I interact with teenagers (regardless of whether DK is one or not, I don't know), I use what I knew as a teenager as a yardstick. And I knew that AIDS was not a condition you could get via proximity.

[Phenom]

I'm 20 years old, so when I interact with teenagers (regardless of whether DK is one or not, I don't know), I use what I knew as a teenager as a yardstick. And I knew that AIDS was not a condition you could get via proximity.

Yeah I remember being taught basic AIDS info in primary school (see Elementary school for those in the US), but school aint what it used to be I guess.

[Greenfire32]

Dang can't green

I was going to green you for not being able to green me, but I can't green you either.

Eli lived with his mom and all so its possible his blood already contains a bit of HIV which wouldnt harm him but could it be passed on and then evolve into something bigger?

Eli would only get HIV from his mother if they got reeeeaaaalllllyyy drunk and...well you know, or if they did heroin together, or if she had HIV when she gave birth to Eli--which she didn't.

[Duneknight]

I got this info from a medical person on tv, its a known fact guys. we all breathe the same air, think about that. 0.111 HIV. something like that. totally insignificant. Anything can get into your system easily why not this? Most people will tell you other wise for moral reasons but that doesnt change from the fact that a very minuscule amount does spread around but doesnt harm or change anything. its part of life unless you live alone isolated from society.

[Puddle-Jumper]

Thats what i dont get, they probably would get viruses from the local animals whether its AIDS or not, I can't say i don't know how unique AIDS is. You said AIDS is caused by a retrovirus HIV, cant it be caused by something else? Maybe they have the cure for AIDS but not HIV if that makes sense. Secondly, Eli lived with his mom and all so its possible his blood already contains a bit of HIV which wouldnt harm him but could it be passed on and then evolve into something bigger?

The HIV virus is extremely unique, viruses that are capable of causing that kind of systemic infection don't just spring up over night. The reason they exist is because they have spent millions of years co-evolving with us, to develop the right receptors and virulence factors and what not.

AIDS refers specifically to the disease caused by the HIV virus, there are other things that can mess up your immune system, but Acquired ImmunoDeficiency Syndrome is the ultimate consequence of HIV yes. And the chances of Eli contracting HIV from his mother are extremely slim to none, like dispite the pandemic HIV isn't the easiest virus to contract, you could drink a pint of blood from a HIV positive person, and assuming you don't have any cuts of breaks in your GI tract, be completely fine (though Im not reccommending that ) Even unprotected sex with a HIV positive person does not always result in the transmission of the virus.

No if Eli can't just have a bit of HIV it doesn't work that way. Yes theres a possibility that he had the virus, just like anyone on the ship, and because in some people HIV has a latency period of upto 10 years (ish) they may remain asymptomatic for quite a while but he would have eventually developed symptoms.

Ya like I was saying in an earlier post, its very possible that their medical technology is very advanced, perhaps they have new anti-virals, or ways of generating vaccines, or immuno replacement therapys but the people of Novus do not, nor did they ever have the HIV virus.

I got this info from a medical person on tv, its a known fact guys. we all breathe the same air, think about that. 0.111 HIV. something like that. totally insignificant. Anything can get into your system easily why not this? Most people will tell you other wise for moral reasons but that doesnt change from the fact that a very minuscule amount does spread around but doesnt harm or change anything. its part of life unless you live alone isolated from society.

I got my information from 4 years of studying microbiology and genetics, of which HIV was quite a big part. Now I don't know are you just trolling or if your really just don't know anything about HIV, but I can absolutely guarantee you, HIV cannot be inhaled from the air. Just no absolutely no chance of it.

And things cannot get into your system easily, infact the reason most bacteria and viruses can is because they have specifically evolved methods for evading the immune system and even then, for most, only a tiny fraction of them survive and colonise your body.

I was going to green you for not being able to green me, but I can't green you either. Eli would only get HIV from his mother if they got reeeeaaaalllllyyy drunk and...well you know, or if they did heroin together, or if she had HIV when she gave birth to Eli--which she didn't.

That would make for an interesting plot in SGU.. might have roped in some of the weirdos

Chloe: Eli.. I left matthew.. for you
Eli: I ****** my mom and now I have HIV
Chloe: Matt!! Hold on! I was only kidding! wait!

[Duneknight]

While I dont claim to understand much about HIV that much is obvious, i didnt mean Eli got infected with AIDS, he just had it in his system at some point. Whether its through some contact or saliva, you get that stuff inside you the same way you catch bacteria from others, except for AIDS its not harmful because its such a minuscule amount. seriously its 0.1, thats nothing. so dont be shocked, this info was on the news its just doctors dont like to emphasize that bit of useless data; they are very conscious of the problems that stem from such a mentalit. But i have no idea how that affects genes and whatnot. A new virus would probably be not possible but can 0.1 ever evolve thousands of years i doubt it.

[garhkal]

How do you know that no one on Destiny is HIV positive. There were 80 some people aboard at one point.
Bingo.

As a mil man, i can say that you DON'T get to put a HIV positive person on frontline duty. IF any of the Icarus project had been discovered to have been HIV positive, they would have immediately been reassigned earthside (stateside more than likely).

[Puddle-Jumper]

While I dont claim to understand much about HIV that much is obvious, i didnt mean Eli got infected with AIDS, he just had it in his system at some point.

To get into his system it would need to get into his bloodstream, in which case it would either cause him to become HIV positive and subsequently develop AIDS, or his immune system would clear it. Either way it wouldn't be in his system. And even if it were in his system, he would need to exchange bodily fluids with another member of the crew to catch it.

Whether its through some contact or saliva, you get that stuff inside you the same way you catch bacteria from others, except for AIDS its not harmful because its such a minuscule amount. seriously its 0.1, thats nothing. so dont be shocked, this info was on the news its just doctors dont like to emphasize that bit of useless data; they are very conscious of the problems that stem from such a mentalit. But i have no idea how that affects genes and whatnot. A new virus would probably be not possible but can 0.1 ever evolve thousands of years i doubt it.

You CANNOT spread HIV through saliva.

I can tell you for a fact that I knew more about HIV then a doctor. I know its evolutionary history, I know its treatment, I know its symptoms, why it causes those symptoms and more importantly how and the genetic information which encodes its ability to do this.

What you hear on television isn't always true, what you read in published peer reviewed scientific literature on the other hand.. is just a tid bit more reliable.

[goga]

AIDS cure. but it would change too many things on earth so probably not right? The show was aiming to find God and cure AIDS, really grandiose aint it?

I don't know if you were being sarcastic or not, but the reason it seems like the show was aimed at finding god and cure for ALS is because the show was canceled.

[Duneknight]

To get into his system it would need to get into his bloodstream, in which case it would either cause him to become HIV positive and subsequently develop AIDS, or his immune system would clear it. Either way it wouldn't be in his system. And even if it were in his system, he would need to exchange bodily fluids with another member of the crew to catch it.



You CANNOT spread HIV through saliva.

I can tell you for a fact that I knew more about HIV then a doctor. I know its evolutionary history, I know its treatment, I know its symptoms, why it causes those symptoms and more importantly how and the genetic information which encodes its ability to do this.

What you hear on television isn't always true, what you read in published peer reviewed scientific literature on the other hand.. is just a tid bit more reliable.

but AIDS is in saliva? couldnt find proper sources supporting this but heres something:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Can_AIDS_b...through_saliva

same thing i heard from tv doctors a long time ago, im not a teenager for the people wondering, but i havent reached midway either.