Waiting 4 months is gonna suck...

[MIZA]

i am not sure why is waiting 4 months going to suck ?

[The Mighty 6 platoon]

Yes, downloading something for free = handing Michael Corleone a $50

The Corleone family sends their regards

[Discodave2009]

You can't really compare illegal downloading to stealing from a store...
He's not costing anyone money ( talking about DLing SGU only, nothing else). The show won't be available for him to see for years to come. So what's the big crime in it if there is no loss to anyone for said action? The show is just out so there are no DVDs for sale and since it doesn't air in his country there are no ratings for him. Why should he be forced to wait for years if no one suffers from him not waiting?

No you can't its worse, buying Pirate videos can be Just as bas as buying illegal drugs. The money usually ends up in the same hands at least when you steal from a shop it is for your own use and the buck stops with you and then you decide what to do with your pilfered money.
Buying illegal goods means you have no say over what is done with that money.

Yes, downloading something for free = handing Michael Corleone a $50

And just because it might be free to download off a site doesn't mean the site owner is not making money from you, advertising is one way Piracy websites make their money.

And the last point against Piracy is that it is going to eventually ruin entertainment, if its not economically viable for them to make great shows like SGU then they wont.

[DigiFluid]

No you can't its worse, buying Pirate videos can be Just as bas as buying illegal drugs. The money usually ends up in the same hands at least when you steal from a shop it is for your own use and the buck stops with you and then you decide what to do with your pilfered money.
Buying illegal goods means you have no say over what is done with that money.
And just because it might be free to download off a site doesn't mean the site owner is not making money from you, advertising is one way Piracy websites make their money.

That's a BS argument invented by the MPAA.

[Dr.Pryce]

Buying pirated videos? I thought I made it clear that I was talking about SGU and SGU alone.

My point was asking how there can be a crime if there is no injured party?

[FallenAngelII]

If you walk into a store and steal something, then go back later and pay for it, you are still a thief. SO what is the difference here? You go to a site to download something, then legally buy it later. The fact you bought it does not make your illegally downloading it right.

What part of "I already subscribe to the network which will eventually air the thing" aren't you getting?

Also, if I steal something from a store, that store is missing something. Something which they could have sold to someone else for money, something that cannot be recouped. They have lost something physical.

If I download a file, I'm merely downloading a copy. I'm not stealing the original. I'm not making it impossible for the owners to still sell the original to just as many people as they would have had I not downloaded the file. This is why the "stealing" analogy fails. No, they do not outright lose money because of me.

Especially not when I don't have the Swedish equivalent to a Nielsen box (so my viewership will not affect their ratings), I already pay for the network which airs all Stargates (SG-1 and SGA atm, SGU in the future) and even if I were to watch Stargate on TV (I never watch actual TV anymore because I do not want to be bogged down my TV schedules and because Swedish TV is months to years behind on most shows), I wouldn't watch the commercials anyway. And even if I would tolerate the commercials, I never ever buy what's advertised in those stupid commercials, anyway.

Since I do not count for ratings, I have zero impact on MGM's profit from the Stargates through foreign broadcasters. Whether or not I watch the Stargates on Swedish TV6, MGM and Swedish TV6 still make the exact same amount of money. They lose nothing because of my downloads.

So no one's actually losing anything from my downloading. No matter how many BS arguments you throw at me.

When i was deployed on ship, i had to wait a HELL OF A LOT longer than a few months to see stuff you all got to watch. Did i download from an illegal site? NO I WAITED. It is called having patience.

It was your choice to join the navy. I shouldn't have to move to the U.S. in order to not have to wait months to years to watch TV.

How is it rude to get in the face of someone who not only willfully admits to doing wrong, but has no remorse for it?

So you admit you have no patience, and therefore break the law cause you cannot wait.

No, it's because the system is broken and the media companies refuse to fix it and instead whine about lost revenue.

You know what, no. The companies make money off of me. All of the manga, books, TV shows, videogames, movies, CDs... everything I buy, I've downloaded first. Because I've done the whole "Hey, let's buy some stuff without having partaken in it first" spiel in the mid 90's to the early 00's. It seldom worked out well. Oftentimes, I'd get stuck with something I hated or something which was mediocre (OK to go through once but not interesting enough for a second reading/watching/etc.). I spent hundreds of dollars on stuff I never gave a second glance because there was no way to preview the stuff without lucking out by having a friend buy it first.

Without illegal downloads, I would never have even discovered many of the shows, movies, games, manga, books I regularly spend money on. When I started downloading Stargate (which lead to my buying of the DVDs), Sweden hadn't aired Stargate in half a decade and there were no plans to. I started buying DVDs over a year before Sweden started airing Stargate again. So, illegal downloads actually helped MGM make money here!

It is not as minor as you think Piracy funds organised crime so it is not Petty crime at all

Sure it does. Suuuuure it does.

In what alternate universe?! Unless by "Piracy" you mean either:
a) Bootlegs
b) Actual seafaring pirates

No you can't its worse, buying Pirate videos can be Just as bas as buying illegal drugs. The money usually ends up in the same hands at least when you steal from a shop it is for your own use and the buck stops with you and then you decide what to do with your pilfered money.
Buying illegal goods means you have no say over what is done with that money.
And just because it might be free to download off a site doesn't mean the site owner is not making money from you, advertising is one way Piracy websites make their money.

And the last point against Piracy is that it is going to eventually ruin entertainment, if its not economically viable for them to make great shows like SGU then they wont.

I see you've swallowed the MPAA's lies without question.

[Nightfighter89]

So which country will get the 2nd half of the season first? Canada or the UK? Because I doubt both of them will wait 4 months, like Skiffy.

I download illegally. I buy the DVD boxes, Sweden hasn't even begun airing the show yet (AFAIK), I already subscribe to the channel which will air it and I don't own the Swedish equivalent to a Nielsen box so it's not like it'll hurt their ratings if I don't watch their 6 month late broadcast of SGU, anyway.

It is my opinion that anyone who is in the same position as me should download illegally. You're already paying for the thing you're downloading and you're not hurting the network(s) in question in any way and the only thing that'll happen if you wait is that you'll have to wait.

Amen brother.

[Nightfighter89]

And just because it might be free to download off a site doesn't mean the site owner is not making money from you, advertising is one way Piracy websites make their money.

Oh totally. When is the last time you saw an ad on the pirate bay? Oh wait, I suppose you wouldn't go there because you're a good person who wouldn't even want it in his browser history. Some people aren't in it for the money

Now some such sites do indeed have ads on them, but if you so much as pass visit the site then you are every bit as guilty as helping them to make a profit as if you downloaded torrent trackers from them.

[Phenom]

No you can't its worse, buying Pirate videos can be Just as bas as buying illegal drugs. The money usually ends up in the same hands at least when you steal from a shop it is for your own use and the buck stops with you and then you decide what to do with your pilfered money.
Buying illegal goods means you have no say over what is done with that money.
And just because it might be free to download off a site doesn't mean the site owner is not making money from you, advertising is one way Piracy websites make their money.

And the last point against Piracy is that it is going to eventually ruin entertainment, if its not economically viable for them to make great shows like SGU then they wont.

Mate I can guarantee you with absolute certainty, that crime gangs do NOT make as much money from pirating entertainment as they do from drugs. In fact I would go as far as saying that I have never ever ever in all my years heard of the phenomenon of serious crime gangs doing this sort of thing.

I probably shouldn't dissect your post too much as you sound a little young and I am probably being a bit harsh mate so I apologise. Lets just say that not many people actually buy pirate entertainment. Sure they buy pirate clothing and that sort of thing, but thats not this argument.

If you walk into a store and steal something, then go back later and pay for it, you are still a thief. SO what is the difference here? You go to a site to download something, then legally buy it later. The fact you bought it does not make your illegally downloading it right.

Actually I will pull you up right there. The offence of stealing includes the element of proving a dishonest act. Essentially you have to prove that the person had the intent to commit a dishonest act. Taking something and intending to pay for it later is actually a pretty good defence, if you can prove that was your intent.

The main difference between regular stealing and file sharing is that with regular stealing you are depriving someone of a physical item. Depriving them of being able to enjoy the item as they normally would. With file sharing you are simply creating a copy, leaving the original with the person doing the sharing. You are not depriving them of anything. The deprivation of large companies of profits is another debate entirely which entails arguments about calculation of profit losses and the like.

Morally I have no problems creating an exact copy of something for myself, whilst leaving the original with the owner. And legally I am fine too.

How is it rude to get in the face of someone who not only willfully admits to doing wrong, but has no remorse for it?

Because you have a simplistic view that stealing lollies from the corner store is the same legal and moral argument as file sharing. It is no different to recording a TV show to your video tape, then lending that tape to a mate. I am sure you have done that, because every person on the planet with access to a VCR has done it at some stage of their lives. Guess what? That is illegal too. I can guarantee that when you drove to work/school this morning, you committed a dozen traffic offences. Everyone does, no matter how good a driver they are.

So please. Throw stones all you want, but please have the arguments to back them up.

[mindwarped]

a 4 month layoff is going to kill the ratings and they were already low to begin with. Ep 10 was a series low at 1.34 million

[garhkal]

Yes, downloading something for free = handing Michael Corleone a $50

Actually there have been SEVERAL tv exposes on piracy of stuff and organized crime.

You can't really compare illegal downloading to stealing from a store...
He's not costing anyone money ( talking about DLing SGU only, nothing else).

What of the company not gettign their ads seen?

It was your choice to join the navy. I shouldn't have to move to the U.S. in order to not have to wait months to years to watch TV.

Your missing the point. I was getting at that many have to wait for something and do so, cause they have patience. Something it seems you lack.

In what alternate universe?! Unless by "Piracy" you mean either:
a) Bootlegs

Mostly.. but i know one site (FROM WORD OF MOUTH here, i never read or saw anything proof positive on it) that got hit cause it was found out that the 'videos they had on the site were ripped by a crime syndicate... NOW while i will admit that is not proof that all pirating sites are linked to crime, it does show it can be.

Morally I have no problems creating an exact copy of something for myself, whilst leaving the original with the owner. And legally I am fine too.

NOt when every dvd, vhs tape etc, has the
"FBI warning, distribution, even without monetary gain is a crime"
warning.

I can guarantee that when you drove to work/school this morning, you committed a dozen traffic offences. Everyone does, no matter how good a driver they are.

So you know how i drive.. hm must be a telepath. Pray tell which offenses did i commit?

[Captain Obvious]

Sure it does. Suuuuure it does.

In what alternate universe?! Unless by "Piracy" you mean either:
a) Bootlegs
b) Actual seafaring pirates

Actually, maybe it is not as big of a problem outside the US, but a large number of Gangs, at least in my area, are heavy into bootleg movie sales. There are actually street gangs that have shot and killed each other over Locations to park their Escort wagons with hatchbacks full of DVDs. I would wager that it is starting to overtake drug sales in at least some areas (since the cops in my state never waste their time with bootlegging, only the FBI does, and we have a very small FBI branch in Rhode Island). Low risk, high reward. Blank DVD's cost you only around 25 cents each (assuming you don't have someone boost them as most street gangs do) but you sell them for $5-10 each and pay some felon $50/day (or less) to sell them.

Bootlegging costs the economy tons of money. By having pirated copies on the net, it lets bootleggers trade copies of the movie and allows the same street gangs that use to have to rely on drugs to rely on bootlegs. They still buy guns and still terrorize neighborhoods, but now they get a low cost, low risk method of making money. How does that make sense?

[garhkal]

Actually, maybe it is not as big of a problem outside the US, but a large number of Gangs, at least in my area, are heavy into bootleg movie sales.

Yup. Earlier this year during one of our annual training lectures on drugs, gangs etc, they mentioned that many are branching into bootleg DVDs, and some terror groups have also been id'ed as doing that as well...

[morrismike]

I'm not techy enough to download but if MGM does not wish to provide legal access to these shows then all bets are off.

[Dr.Pryce]

What of the company not gettign their ads seen?

What ads? There are no ads in between a show that does not air on TV. You're forgetting that the whole point is that it isn't on TV in his country.

Seriously, what's with all the fuss about doing something that's not even a real crime since there is no damaged party here.

Btw: Making a copy of something owned by someone else is illegal. You can only make a copy of a product that you own for yourself.