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[Matt G]

If he didn't care then why did he stab our guys in the back when he saw Teal'c and Drey'auc smooching. Women may well be second class citizens in Jaffa society but did he seriously not think it was a possibility that Teal'c and Drey'auc in the same room could be...interesting?

He was clearly offended by what happened and therefore probably unprepared to an extent.

[Jae'a]

3. Fro'tac you fool...did you not for one second suspect that Drey'auc didn't have feelings for you?

I'm not that sure he cared too much.. I don't think women get much of a say in Jaffa society anyway...

[Matt G]

Another Sunday afternoon...another SG1 ep to catch up on.

1. Was good to see Chulak again and catch up with Ry'ac.

2. Watching S2 in order for the first time...our first real Jaffa revenge thing.

3. Fro'tac you fool...did you not for one second suspect that Drey'auc didn't have feelings for you? Even I wouldn't have been that dumb, I certainly wouldn't have been that arrogant given the circumstances. A rare triple zat and a well earned one.

4. Yes, Jack was on his A-game here.

5. Whole thing with the teeth did feel a bit rushed.

Still a solid ep though.

[DigiFluid]

I've read some comments about this Drey'ac being ugly, and all I can say is that people who say that have no eyes. She has gorgeous bones.

Madness. Don't put her in front of a mirror, it'll break. Couldn't act worth a damn either. Ryac's acting was pretty awful in this one too, but at least that's forgiveable because he was only a kid when they made this one.

Fortunately this one was followed by Secrets.

[Starscape91]

This was an okay episode. What really bothered me was Teal'c believing that Ryac fought his brainwashing by Apophis or the fact that he escaped Apophis all on his own.

[Seaboe Muffinchucker]

I've read some comments about this Drey'ac being ugly, and all I can say is that people who say that have no eyes. She has gorgeous bones. They dress her well in this episode, too.

That said, not one of my favorites. Teal'c's blindness to the faults of his son are irritating.

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[ekolint48]

I'll stick with my earlier comment that Drey'ac is an unsung hero who put up with a lot of crap and doesn't get enough credit.

Normally I really love Teal'c but I do not like him at all in this episode. He was selfish and egocentric. No matter how just his cause, he had no right to expect Drey'ac and Ry'ac to make all of the sacrifices for it, and without even giving them a say in the matter. Nor did he have any right to speak to her with such condescension and rudeness. She showed an amazing amount of fortitude and ingenuity in the face of impossibly difficult circumstances. He abandoned them and left them as outcasts and a target of his greatest enemy.

His actions toward Drey'ac, Fro'tak and later in regaurd to Ry'ac were all motivated by his injured pride. And it really steamed me how the writers tried to throw it all back on Drey'ac by having her say it was her fault because she didn't really love Fro'tak and she made vows she couldn't keep. I'm not saying that the other characters didn't make mistakes, but Teal'c was never forced to account for his own choices.

And then the way he snipped against Jack because he was wary of what Apophis had planned in regard to Ry'ac. Teal'c's conviction that his son was too strong to be overcome, and his absolute unwillingness to concede even the possibility of danger because of his own over blown ego! Teal'c was way out of line.

I don't think that the writers were trying to make us feel Drey'ac was responsible (at least that wasn't my take) but that she felt guilty for the predicament that Fro'tak had to deal with on account of her situation. I took it as just her guilt and remorse at how things had gone down so unfortunately for both of them as, even if she didn't love Fro'tak, she most likely cared a great deal for him and was grateful for his generosity and protection of both her and her son who was not his own at the very least. How would any person feel given her situation and what had transpired?

I do agree that Teal'c was overwhelmingly bull headed and let his emotions for his family take over his common sense. I don't know that he was being egocentric so much as he was wounded and felt rejected by his wife given what he had abruptly found out. The woman he had been in love with for years, and to whom he thought he was still married, gets an annulment without him knowing and all of a sudden is married to one of his oldest friends; he reacted the way you would expect someone who still had feelings to behave. You don't just accept a thing like that and move on. The situation was not unlike what took place in 'Secrets' after Daniel finds out his wife has been impregnated by Aphophis and goes on to mope outside and feel sorry for himself. Both guys take time and a bit of talking to before they can collect themselves and deal with the situation at hand. Both are exhibiting 'human' reactions, and those are not always pretty.

The circumstances under which Teal'c finds his family seem like a lot of consequences and accounting for the decisions he's made: Drey'ac having to marry another man to take care of her child and herself properly, replacing him with a new head of household, his son being brainwashed by his enemy to hate him and love Apophis, his son being turned into a literal weapon against him and his friends. So, I don't think that the writers let his character off the hook in any way while punishing Drey'ac exclusively or crucifying or her character.

[jelgate]

I like this one. Its offers further explanation that was started in Bloodlines. It further develops how much Teal'c loves his family. I even believed Fro'tac was on our side. He probably was until he felt betrayed. I always wondered why Jack didn't zat the serpent guard 3 times to avoid detection. That makes more tactile sense.

I don't have a problem for discovering what Apophis trap was. I do have an issue for the ease of rescuing Ry'ac from brainwashing. A zat blast is too easy of a solution for me

[Conn8d]

Rya'c is back, he looks so small.

major thing I noticed during this rewatch is how young everyone looks. With Rya'c being a kid its even more pronounced!

and I think that the actor kid did really well with his brainwashed bits.

Also watching this in order I find the change in Drey'auc actresses to be more jarring than I remember. I honestly think I forgot about the first one until the rewatch, and the switch just feels more obvious.

[NowIWillDestroyAbydos]

Average Season 2 episode, as make our way towards The Tok'ra at week's end.

Rya'c is back, he looks so small.

Tomorrow, Sha're is back, another Movie character makes a transition, and we meet Jacob for the first time.

[Krisz]

I tended to notice more with this rewatch how Jack was feeling through all this. It was as much about Jack as it was Teal'c.

The scene where Jack gives the baseball glove to Rya'c at the end was a really poignant touch. Also, his face as he watches Teal'c put his arms around his family before stepping through the gate was really sad. It was however mixed with a look of satisfaction that another tragic loss was averted. Helping Teal'c save Rya'c was something Jack could not help doing, he was not going to let another child die ever again, if he could help it.

[Jae'a]

I also agree with the above three, poor Drey'auc and Rya'c.
But I don't know why Bra'tac didn't keep them informed about Teal'c, at least tell them he's alive. And how could he not know about Drey'auc getting married again? Hmm...
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[SaraBahama]

Not my favorite ep.

But another layer to this story that kept occuring to me was what Jack was thinking and feeling for Teal'c during the whole episode -because Jack lost Charlie, and then he lost Sarah. In the early to mid-ep Teal'c has lost Ry'ac (if temporarily) to abduction, and lost his wife to another man. This has to hit a little close to home for Jack.

Some of Teal'c's comments to Drey'auc, while I didn't like them, I chalked up to his hurt and to his culture -from the beginning we are shown that in Jaffa culture that women are second class citizens to men. The fact that Teal'c accepts Sam and interacts so well with her is amazing to me (she was the one he surrendered his weapon to in COTG), and indicates some of his attitudes have changed.

I can't say that I enjoyed seeing the rage and pride Teal'c displayed, and how it interfered with his trust in Jack and the team (kudos to Chris Judge, though, on the acting). I did accept most of what I was seeing as very human gut-level emotions tied to his feeling of betrayal by his wife and fear for his son.

Oh -and I agree with much of what hlndncr has posted above^^

[Noxbait]

I'll stick with my earlier comment that Drey'ac is an unsung hero who put up with a lot of crap and doesn't get enough credit.

Normally I really love Teal'c but I do not like him at all in this episode. He was selfish and egocentric. No matter how just his cause, he had no right to expect Drey'ac and Ry'ac to make all of the sacrifices for it, and without even giving them a say in the matter. Nor did he have any right to speak to her with such condescension and rudeness. She showed an amazing amount of fortitude and ingenuity in the face of impossibly difficult circumstances. He abandoned them and left them as outcasts and a target of his greatest enemy.

His actions toward Drey'ac, Fro'tak and later in regaurd to Ry'ac were all motivated by his injured pride. And it really steamed me how the writers tried to throw it all back on Drey'ac by having her say it was her fault because she didn't really love Fro'tak and she made vows she couldn't keep. I'm not saying that the other characters didn't make mistakes, but Teal'c was never forced to account for his own choices.

And then the way he snipped against Jack because he was wary of what Apophis had planned in regard to Ry'ac. Teal'c's conviction that his son was too strong to be overcome, and his absolute unwillingness to concede even the possibility of danger because of his own over blown ego! Teal'c was way out of line.

Agreed! While I too really love Teal'c...there are times that his "Jaffa revenge thing" and pride issue do get irritating! I like Drey'auc too. She faced a lot of real hardship due to his decision and she handled all of it the best she could. I wish they had just taken her and Ry'ac to the Land of Light right after Bloodlines...would've solved a lot of problems! I mean, i can understand that they wouldn't have had much of a life locked up on earth, but still...leaving them on Chulak was just not good. I think they really could have played this better, although i do think that there is a dark side to Teal'c and that he's not just a super nice guy all the time. Good post hlndncr!

[hlndncr]

I'll stick with my earlier comment that Drey'ac is an unsung hero who put up with a lot of crap and doesn't get enough credit.

Normally I really love Teal'c but I do not like him at all in this episode. He was selfish and egocentric. No matter how just his cause, he had no right to expect Drey'ac and Ry'ac to make all of the sacrifices for it, and without even giving them a say in the matter. Nor did he have any right to speak to her with such condescension and rudeness. She showed an amazing amount of fortitude and ingenuity in the face of impossibly difficult circumstances. He abandoned them and left them as outcasts and a target of his greatest enemy.

His actions toward Drey'ac, Fro'tak and later in regaurd to Ry'ac were all motivated by his injured pride. And it really steamed me how the writers tried to throw it all back on Drey'ac by having her say it was her fault because she didn't really love Fro'tak and she made vows she couldn't keep. I'm not saying that the other characters didn't make mistakes, but Teal'c was never forced to account for his own choices.

And then the way he snipped against Jack because he was wary of what Apophis had planned in regard to Ry'ac. Teal'c's conviction that his son was too strong to be overcome, and his absolute unwillingness to concede even the possibility of danger because of his own over blown ego! Teal'c was way out of line.