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Joseph Mallozzi -"In the meantime, I'm into season 5 of OZ (where the show takes an unfortunate hairpin turn into "the not so wonderful world of fantasy")"
^^^ Kinda sounds like seasons 9 and 10 of SG-1 to me. Thor, ya got Aspirin?
AGateFan has officially Gone Fishin (with Jack, Sam, Daniel, Teal'c) and is hoping Atlantis does not take that same hairpin turn.
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Originally posted by smurf View PostSeeing as the third to last episode is about
Spoiler:Lam and Landry
I'd say, yep.
I thought to I'd stay on the safe side.
I didn't want to risk causing anyone to become physically ill at the prospect of another time travel story.
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Originally posted by Crow T. Robot View PostI think the term you’re looking for is “Smart”. There was a time where this show assumed its audience was intelligent and didn’t dumb it down. You know before they decided their audience was too stupid to tell the difference between Daniel and Mitchell because they looked alike. I think RDA’s and Gecko’s attitude about ‘Assume your audience is intelligent and don’t talk down to them” is the one thing that really left when RDA left.
What was that line in 200 about respecting the audience's intelligence? I'm beginning to suspect they "homaged" it from somewhere else because it sounded cool, not because they understood what it meant.
Thought on discussion of MS's acting choices: If MS acts better when playing along side Vala, and Daniel becomes less Daniel and more MS when playing along side Vala, can MS be said to be actually acting?
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Yeah well the same people that are celebrating the made for DVD movies are the same people that are celebrating the fact that the new Friday night line up equaled up the same ratings as the two gates.
Not good news if two original series you actually pay for actually scored the same as 1 original series and two series you just paid for the rights to show. Not good news for Atlantis at all. Add in overall numbers might be down for the BSG premier BUT demo wise Friday night is up across the board.
18-49 Demographics. 18-49 Demographics, 18-49 Demographics is what makes Sci Fi’s world go round.Jack O’Neill: When it absolutely, positively, needs mocked, shot, or destroyed overnight!
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Time travel
Time travel
Time travel
Time travel
**Clean up in aisle one please**
Here's an idea. How about:
SG-1 travel back in time to the point before Vala was taken as a host. Vala decides to save herself from becoming a Goa'uld, and we see how terrible it all is if she didn't/doesn't make the sacrifice of losing part of her life.
Valagate meets It's a Wonderful Life.
Perfect!!!
**Clean up in aisle two please**
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Originally posted by smurf View PostIn TPTB's defence, it was MS's idea to grow the beard to differentiate them. Unfortunately, they agreed with him. Which throws that bit of PTB defending out the window.Last edited by Crow T. Robot; 12 October 2006, 04:24 PM.Jack O’Neill: When it absolutely, positively, needs mocked, shot, or destroyed overnight!
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Originally posted by smurf View Post**Clean up in aisle two please**
And for crying out loud if they are going to do the whole time travel thing again. They could throw us back to Daniel’s conception, get a little ‘mature content’ in to the mix and end this whole ‘Daniel’s An Ancient’ fan argument once and for all.
They could also have Vala running around in skimpy barely hiding anything leather. Knock Sam’s top down another two inches. Put Mitchell and Daniel in tight skimpy pants that leaves nothing to the imagination. (HEY equal time with the skimpy leather boys!)
Think of the DVD sales a new “Sexed Up” Star Gate could produce!Jack O’Neill: When it absolutely, positively, needs mocked, shot, or destroyed overnight!
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Originally posted by smurf View PostThought on discussion of MS's acting choices: If MS acts better when playing along side Vala, and Daniel becomes less Daniel and more MS when playing along side Vala, can MS be said to be actually acting?
Shouldn't the aim be for the audience to watch the show and see Daniel Jackson, not MS playing some kind of Daniel Jackson/MS hybrid?
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Originally posted by smurf View PostThought on discussion of MS's acting choices: If MS acts better when playing along side Vala, and Daniel becomes less Daniel and more MS when playing along side Vala, can MS be said to be actually acting?
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Originally posted by ReganX View PostI would have thought that Daniel becoming less Daniel would be a very undesirable state of affairs.
Shouldn't the aim be for the audience to watch the show and see Daniel Jackson, not MS playing some kind of Daniel Jackson/MS hybrid?
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Originally posted by ReganX View PostShouldn't the aim be for the audience to watch the show and see Daniel Jackson, not MS playing some kind of Daniel Jackson/MS hybrid?Jack O’Neill: When it absolutely, positively, needs mocked, shot, or destroyed overnight!
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Originally posted by Crow T. Robot View PostWell in MS defense I wouldn’t say RDA’s Jack O’Neill is the same one as the movie. I can see why RDA did it though.... Living in a suicidal depressed character's head for 18 hours day... I don’t think I could have done it either.
And I apologise to everyone for the mess. Look on the bright side; we know TPTB lurk around these threads, so if they even go near Valagate meets It's a Wonderful Life I could sue them for stealing my idea, and prevent it happening.
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Originally posted by Skydiver View Postyes, it has been sorely missing
I'm not a fan of humiliation humor, aka slap stick
i find it degrading and not at all fun to watch...which is why so much of what they've done lately has been more likely to make me cringe than entertain me
i can't help but feel that 5 years down the line, some of these actors are gonna come across one of the eps on tv and see themselves acting/being made the fool and shake their head and wonder if it was really worth it
the show used to be so classy and dignified
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Originally posted by swallowcliff View PostI'm glad some of the older fans can see this as well. I watched 8 seasons in one whole swoop in the spring, and then caught up to season 9. Daniel changed tremendously and lost some of the endearing qualities about him. Then I started reading old interviews with Michale Shanks, and found out he didn't like half the personality traits that the Daniel character carried over from the films. MS didn't like that Daniel had allergies. MS complained about Daniel's wardorbe when it was still much geekier. MS doesn't like the glasses, but they haven't been dumped because that's a huge part of the character. It doesn't mean that he won't do entire episodes without them though.
He went a whole ep without wearing the glasses in Season 1 too, didn't he? In Tin Man? But I guess that was logical since the robots were supposed to be "bet-ter." (hmmm, speaking of which, maybe we can get Harlan to make the S10 characters "bet-ter" in some way )
The one that bugs me the most is the interview I read that mentioned that MS didn't like to play the character 'full of wonder' a few seasons in, so the writers stopped writing him that way. We still see bits of it, but mostly, he seems jaded and cynical and not particularly caring sometimes. The snarkyness is something I actually am okay with though, since movie-Daniel was a smartmouth and the novel version even more of a wiseass.
I haven't seen any of season 10 so far since I don't have cable or a good enough computer, but I'm afraid that even more, "daniel" has been tweaked to MS's specifactions and is nearly not the same character.
I feel some of the same way about Sam as well, and it worries me that AT has wanted to infuse more humor into her character. I think it depends on how that is handled, but the idea worries me in the hands of these writers.
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