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While I haven't seen the season 9 appearance of Orlin yet, I thought I could at least join in discussion by talking about the episode Ascension.
I enjoyed this episode. Apart from the obvious fact that it was centred around Sam, (and we even got to see her house!) I really liked her interaction with Orlin. I always percieved their relationship as not something that was necissarily romantic or intimate, but as a natural curiosity, on both their parts, about something that was new and otherworldly. Sam was as intriguing to Orlin as he was to her, and I think they would have both learnt a lot from each other. I don't think their relationship could ever have developed beyond that, and I wouldn't have wanted it to, but it was a nice episode which showed us a different side of Sam, and how she reacted/interacted with a being from another world/level of existence.
It also set up a lot of the fundamental backround to the following stories about ascension.
There are some things about the episode that annoyed me, like the team's attitude towards Sam when they all thought she was going nuts, but that was I guess important to the story.
At the time I was glad it was a one-off episode, so it'll be interesting to see what they do in the next one.
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OK, I'm back for a quick read. I can't get this out of my warped little head now.
Originally Posted by ForeverSg1:
You asked earlier if the difference between Orlin and Pete was the fact that Orlin was an alien so he got a get out of jail free card for being a stalker where Pete didn't. In my opinion, the answer is yes. The reason being, Pete is from Earth. He is a cop. He knows the rules of conduct on this planet. He knows how someone should and shouldn't behave and he not only ignored those rules, he used his own job in order to stalk Sam.
Orlin on the other hand was an alien. We don't know much about the Ancients or Ascended other than what we have seen through Daniel/Oma and now the Ori. We do not know what their normal conduct is, or how they introduce themselves. They are energy beings. I seriously doubt they take human form simply to speak to one another. Orlin told Sam that his kind had a different level of communication. What Orlin tried to do to Sam on the planet may have been in fact something as simple as shaking hands for an energy being. We really have no way of knowing.
I , like other's have already commented, believe that up until Sam agreed to the glowy exchange that Sam acted very much in character. She did everything that she should have done to prove that someone was in fact in her house. However, the difference between Orlin and the foothold situation was that in the Foothold situation, the evidence was tangible. In Orlin's case, what was Sam suppose to do to prove that Orlin existed? He did not possess corporeal form unless he chose to do so. Sam did everything in her power to prove she was not a psyche case,but noone believed her. Right or wrong, whether anyone else acted in character, I believe Sam did.
Both Fifth and Orlin had a child-like curiosity and I saw no real intent to harm Sam. Whereas Fifth in New Order invaded Sam's mind without her consent and in my opinion he went out of his way to make sure he inflicted pain ( be it emotional, physical, or psychological ) in the process.
I understand your reasons for not believing or enjoying the episode, but I have to disagree with your views about Orlin.
On a different note,Spoiler:does anyone else feel that by bringing Orlin back they are lessening the impact of his perceived death?
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A new interview is posted with Don S. Davis...
He talks about coming back to the set and why he's there...Spoiler:how Hammond's working for Jack now
And I'm also happy to say that it looks like my fears for our dear general were misplaced...
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Originally posted by golfbooyI'm sorry, so what you're saying is that if, and I stress IF, Orlin is pure of heart, and if he really, really likes her, and if Sam wants an emotionally available man, alien, whatever, then it's all OK? His behavior is all right so long as he's a really good person? I don't agree that because a person is good that it excuses any bad, wrong, or abusive action they take. There are many men who beat their wives but love them nonetheless. Does that excuse their violence?
Originally posted by golfbooyYou seem to be justifying Orlin's actions with your own personal beliefs about women and what they're looking for in relationships. While that's OK, I'm trying to justify it from what I've seen established as Sam Carter's personal beliefs about what she wants from a relationship.
Originally posted by golfbooyI'm telling you, if I found a woman attractive, followed her home, stayed in her house all night, and then jumped her in the morning by professing my undying love for her I would end up in jail. Period. That's not cute, it's criminal. And it's criminal whether he's an alien or not.
Originally posted by golfbooyETA: I'm a bit unclear by what you mean by "emotional availability". What does that mean? That because Orlin is ready to be in love with Sam, then she's automatically inclined to love him back? Sorry, I just don't understand what you're getting at.
Anyway, RL beckons and I must sign off. Enjoy the eps tonight!Last edited by WhatFateAlmondRoca; 17 September 2005, 03:39 AM.If you immediately know the ep stinks, the writers were cooked a long time ago
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I'm back into "watching Uber's vid" mode. Everytime I watch it I see something new! This time it was the neat merging of the video from Sam and Jolinar dying to the scene from X-files. The positions are almost identical!
Uber's vid is doing so well in the video category. It really is a special piece of videoart. And I still love the song too. I only just thought to look up the lyrics, and finally figured out some of the words I kept puzzling over.
That Girl (Was a one time teenage drama queen)
Lindsay Lohan
There was a girl I knew who always wanted to be the one to stand out from the crowd
Always believed that she was gonna live her dreams
That what went down was gonna come around
For all the doubters, non-believers, the cynicals that once were dreamers
One of these days you'll open up your eyes
And you'll realize
(Chorus)
That girl was a one time teenage drama queen
A hot, tough everyday wannabee
But she'll have changed her destiny
Now she's a somebody
That girl was a wild child dreamer but she found herself
'Cause she believes in nothin' else
And you'll look back and you won't believe
That girl was me
Armed with an attitude that she knows how to use
She's gonna get there any way she can
Now she knows what she wants
No one is gonna stop her
Nothing's ever gonna hold her down
For all the doubters, non-believers the cynicle that once were dreamers
One of these days you'll know that you were wrong (who would've know)
(Chorus)
Doubters, non-believers, once were dreamers
One of these days you'll open up your eyes
And you'll realize
(Chorus 2X)
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Cam once again proves he has no business leading SG-1.
Spoiler:I cringed in Prototype when he contacted the SGC and referred to himself as SG-1 Leader...and then he turned around and proved he had no business leading the team by touching things he had no business touching.
Did anyone else get that feeling too?????
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Hi, fellow Samandans! Just popping in during the commercial break to say I did something on Gateworld just now that I never did before: started a thread!
I don't think it will be long-lasting, but it could be interesting. The topic is why there are so many new sci-fi shows on the major networks this year. I thought it was worth a little forum-wide discussion.
If you have an opinion on this subject, or just want to discuss it, please stop by! It's at: http://forum.gateworld.net/showthrea...56#post4509756
To stay on-topic: Sam is great tonight! But I know already that we'll have to talk about one line after the show in spoilers. Mitchell, Mitchell, Mitchell!!!!! What are we going to do with the new guy? Sigh......
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Wow! Wow! Wow! How awesome is this episode???!!! Damn. Is Alan McCullough a new writer? If so, good decision to hire him IMHO.
Hopefully, TFH is as powerful as this ep. What a summer finale that would be!!! Of course, that will make waiting for January even harder. But I can deal with that if the second half will be as great as this episode.
Great Sam action. But still no clear answer on the leader issue. I mean, my opinion is of course made up, but they could make it a bit clearer. One second I am 100% sure and then the next scene they make it unclear again. Won't change my opinion, of course. Other than that, great and immensly powerfule ep! Way to go.
Sorry, for the short post, but I had to get it off my chest.Last edited by Dani76; 16 September 2005, 05:36 PM.
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Originally posted by deepspaceWow, that sounds really neat sky! I used to do a bit of silver wirework, and hope to oneday learn casting/soldering. My big dream is to make a little silver stargate. I don't know if any of you remember the Gateworld header picture that was around a lot at Christmas time? The one of the little stargate hanging in the Christmas tree? That really inspired me to someday make something like that.
Yes, do you think your friend would mind you posting a pic of the necklace she made you?
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I really liked Prototype! It was another good team episode, with everyone contributing. Mitchell - clearly demonstrating that he's the "new guy" and has a lot to learn about not touching things. And was it just me, or did Daniel sound like Jack at times in this ep?
As far as TFH, damn, I hate cliffhangers! Too many things left to clear up. I did like thatSpoiler:Gerak wasn't as evil as they've been making him appear before this.
On the whole, I thought it was the best Friday night of SG1 in a while - 2 solid hours of good shows, both chock full of SAM!
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Originally posted by NearlyCircularI really liked Prototype! It was another good team episode, with everyone contributing. Mitchell - clearly demonstrating that he's the "new guy" and has a lot to learn about not touching things. And was it just me, or did Daniel sound like Jack at times in this ep?
As far as TFH, damn, I hate cliffhangers! Too many things left to clear up. I did like thatSpoiler:Gerak wasn't as evil as they've been making him appear before this.
On the whole, I thought it was the best Friday night of SG1 in a while - 2 solid hours of good shows, both chock full of SAM!
NC
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Originally posted by the dancer of spazAs a woman (I suppose), I really would have liked to see this scene. Normal, everyday girl talk between Sam and Janet never occurred anywhere else in the series. It sucks that it had to go.
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Originally posted by majorsali'm glad the scene was omitted... i didn't like the shippy sam/orlin feel to it.
sally
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