Thanks for the great reviews Lucy and Rachel! I finally had some time to sit down and rewatch The Lost City and it was just as awesome as ever. Definitely one of my all-time favorites and some of the best SG-1 ever made. I’m glad it wasn’t the series finale, but it definitely marks the end of an era with so many changes coming in the next season. What a way to go out!
Watching and thinking about these episodes I find that I have a lot of things to say about how it all ties into future episodes; so I’ll save many of my comments for the appropriate time. But there are still so many things to talk about.
Hayes
I said in my review of inauguration that I love this character and I continue to do so here. I do love how he stared down Anubis. (And was it just me or does he seem shorter here than when Daniel confronted him in Full Circle?) I so wish we could have had more of him. For example, it would have been great to see him in Zero Hour getting his first look at the stargate and the SGC. And I really would have liked to see him and Jack interact.
Weir
Personally, I prefer Tori Higginson to Jessica Steen. (Does anyone know why they made the change? It’s very unusual for them to do that. Stargate is very loyal to their actors for the most part.) For me, TH had more gravitas, and was more believable when she goes on to bluff the goa’uld and then transitions into the commander of Atlantis. I know JS was supposed to be a little befuddled as someone who was basically thrown into the deep end, but she just did that a little too well for me to buy her as being strong and in charge. Even when she stood up to Kinsey I still felt like she was depending on Hayes for back up. I don’t think JS did a bad job. There are moments with her I like. I just would have preferred to see TH all the way through.
In terms of her character, I think the trained diplomat side continues to shine through going forward, but they down played her more belligerent anti-military past. Maybe her brief experience at the SGC with top-notch military personnel fighting an advanced alien enemy had her rethinking some of her early notions about issues like non-proliferation and Manifest Destiny.
In terms of her interaction and relationships with the team, I don’t think Weir and Teal’c ever have any scenes together. She and Sam don’t really interact in these episodes either. But we do get a good dynamic with her and Daniel. I think it is interesting because in some ways she is what Daniel used to be. He was the “voice of reason†and the civilian who wanted everyone to take a step back and see the bigger picture. But Daniel also knows very personally the kind of enemy they face, and so he tries to help Weir see the other side, to understand what it means to stand up against “pure evil.â€
I really like the rapport he has with Weir (both actresses). I think it brings out the different facets of Daniel as he’s learned to look at the world from points of view he never would have entertained before joining SG-1. I really wish when TPTB went looking for a foil for Daniel to play off of in S9 and S10 they would have given him someone more like Weir instead of the vapid Vala antics.
The dynamic between Jack and Weir was also interesting. They have a moment in that first briefing that IMO set the parameters of their relationship. At first Jack is flippant and doesn’t give her a lot of respect. He’s understandably wary of her, especially as she seems to be at Kinsey’s elbow. But in the moment when they are both pushing on her and Jack asks “Who are you? And why are you here?†she asserts her independence. Her response shows not only that she can stand up to Kinsey, but that she won’t fold for Jack either. You can see that Jack respects that and it puts them on equal footing thereafter.
Kinsey
This is in effect Kinsey’s swan song. I know he comes back in Full Alert, but I could have happily lived without that. Here we see Kinsey coming so close to finally getting what he’s wanted for years, control of the Stargate program and the ousting of Hammond and SG-1, he’s almost salivating. He really believes that he’s gotten the President to give in, he can control Weir and he’s won. Then it all slowly unspools for him as he realizes that Weir isn’t a puppet and the President is no fool. Kinsey walking away in disgrace is just so satisfying; it’s really a shame Jack couldn’t have been there to see it. But then, he would have gloated.
Hammond
We also bid a reluctant farewell to General Hammond. I understand DSD left for health reasons, and it was a great opportunity to give RDA a much needed change in role, Hammond will still be greatly missed going forward. Bra’tac’s reaction when he learns that Hammond has been replaced is so somber. It was the perfect note to demonstrate the trust and respect he’s earned as the leader of the SGC among our allies. I do love that he has a chance to be the hero, and goes out doing what he’s always done, protecting SG-1 so they can save the world.
YAY TEAM!!!!
It is so great to see that SG-1 team dynamic we so love. It seems like it’s been a long time since they’ve just been together on a good old fashioned go through the stargate and save the world adventure. Feels just like old times. And we get Hammond and Bra’tac and Reynolds and Walter all coming along for the ride. I just wish Janet could have been there.
I could say so much more. There are so many great moments, especially between Jack and each member of the team as he makes the choice to sacrifice himself and then as he says his farewells. But I’ll just say that I love the team and it’s so clear that each member of the team loves one another and that’s one of the biggest reasons why SG-1 is special for me.
Sam and Jack
I think Lost City would be a great episode(s) even without the ship, but let’s face it, the ship really takes it over the top. It starts with ship, ends with ship, and just oozes with ship. All that’s missing is the BHK. (I agree with those who have said that a kiss would have been out of place here, but there’s a part of me that still wanted it!)
I like the continuity of having part one and part two start with the crossword puzzle. So I’ll start there too.
I wish I knew the whole story behind that bet because clearly it had been going on for a while. There had to have been at least one puzzle before this one (double or nothin’), and what exactly do you think was at stake? Whatever it was, Daniel had been quite clearly warned to stay out of it. It seemed like Jacl was trying to prove something to her, and his obsession with finishing the crossword puzzle before he completely lost his mind can be seen as his way of holding on to her for as long as possible.
Sam and Jack’s interactions around that puzzle are so completely beyond professional. She actually scolds him for being late. (When was the last time you scolded your boss for being late?) And later when she reads his “Uma Thurman†answer doesn’t Jack just look like he got his hand caught in the cookie jar. (Or maybe he was thinking, I would have written Sam Carter if I didn’t think you’d kick my a$$.) Later when she takes command and gives him a direct order that’s a cute moment, but let’s face it she’s been ordering him around for a while now and he doesn’t seem to mind it that much.
Over and over again we get hints about how he’s placed her up on a pedestal. He jokes with Daniel that helping him with the crossword puzzle will be the one thing she doesn’t know. Joking with Weir about how Carter can explain all about time being relative, again playing up what he sees as her genius. Then there’s the national treasure discussion at his house. He sees her as so much more valuable than himself and would still rather die than loose her. And while he cuts her off in the cargo ship, saying that he knows what she wanted to tell him, does he really know, does her really understand that saving the world isn’t worth it to her if she loses him?
When she comes to his house he asks if Hammond sent her to check up on him, like he can’t believe she would come to him on her own. Then of course they have so much to say to each other that they know they can’t say that they both stumble for anything to say. This leaves her feeling unsure about whether he really wants her there and she prepares to leave, but he can’t let her walk away entirely so he tells her to stay.
And the ending just breaks my angst loving heart. When it seems like he’s about to surrender to the inevitable it’s her “please†that always seems to drag him back from the brink.
So how did they ever get her to leave him? She worked night and day and rewrote the laws of physics to bring him home from Edora. She lost her cool several times and at one point totally broke down when he was stranded with Maybourne. I just can’t see her going back to the SGC and clocking out for a date with
after this. I don’t think we know how long he was trapped in stasis, but it doesn’t seem like it was a short time. He can’t have ever been far from her mind. So I have a lot of problems with the direction things go in New Order, but I suppose I’ll save those complaints for another discussion.
I'll just end by saying that I totally agree that at this point there is no question that Sam and Jack are completely in love despite the many barriers that both literally and figuratively remain between them.
Watching and thinking about these episodes I find that I have a lot of things to say about how it all ties into future episodes; so I’ll save many of my comments for the appropriate time. But there are still so many things to talk about.
Hayes
I said in my review of inauguration that I love this character and I continue to do so here. I do love how he stared down Anubis. (And was it just me or does he seem shorter here than when Daniel confronted him in Full Circle?) I so wish we could have had more of him. For example, it would have been great to see him in Zero Hour getting his first look at the stargate and the SGC. And I really would have liked to see him and Jack interact.
Weir
Personally, I prefer Tori Higginson to Jessica Steen. (Does anyone know why they made the change? It’s very unusual for them to do that. Stargate is very loyal to their actors for the most part.) For me, TH had more gravitas, and was more believable when she goes on to bluff the goa’uld and then transitions into the commander of Atlantis. I know JS was supposed to be a little befuddled as someone who was basically thrown into the deep end, but she just did that a little too well for me to buy her as being strong and in charge. Even when she stood up to Kinsey I still felt like she was depending on Hayes for back up. I don’t think JS did a bad job. There are moments with her I like. I just would have preferred to see TH all the way through.
In terms of her character, I think the trained diplomat side continues to shine through going forward, but they down played her more belligerent anti-military past. Maybe her brief experience at the SGC with top-notch military personnel fighting an advanced alien enemy had her rethinking some of her early notions about issues like non-proliferation and Manifest Destiny.
In terms of her interaction and relationships with the team, I don’t think Weir and Teal’c ever have any scenes together. She and Sam don’t really interact in these episodes either. But we do get a good dynamic with her and Daniel. I think it is interesting because in some ways she is what Daniel used to be. He was the “voice of reason†and the civilian who wanted everyone to take a step back and see the bigger picture. But Daniel also knows very personally the kind of enemy they face, and so he tries to help Weir see the other side, to understand what it means to stand up against “pure evil.â€
I really like the rapport he has with Weir (both actresses). I think it brings out the different facets of Daniel as he’s learned to look at the world from points of view he never would have entertained before joining SG-1. I really wish when TPTB went looking for a foil for Daniel to play off of in S9 and S10 they would have given him someone more like Weir instead of the vapid Vala antics.
The dynamic between Jack and Weir was also interesting. They have a moment in that first briefing that IMO set the parameters of their relationship. At first Jack is flippant and doesn’t give her a lot of respect. He’s understandably wary of her, especially as she seems to be at Kinsey’s elbow. But in the moment when they are both pushing on her and Jack asks “Who are you? And why are you here?†she asserts her independence. Her response shows not only that she can stand up to Kinsey, but that she won’t fold for Jack either. You can see that Jack respects that and it puts them on equal footing thereafter.
Kinsey
This is in effect Kinsey’s swan song. I know he comes back in Full Alert, but I could have happily lived without that. Here we see Kinsey coming so close to finally getting what he’s wanted for years, control of the Stargate program and the ousting of Hammond and SG-1, he’s almost salivating. He really believes that he’s gotten the President to give in, he can control Weir and he’s won. Then it all slowly unspools for him as he realizes that Weir isn’t a puppet and the President is no fool. Kinsey walking away in disgrace is just so satisfying; it’s really a shame Jack couldn’t have been there to see it. But then, he would have gloated.
Hammond
We also bid a reluctant farewell to General Hammond. I understand DSD left for health reasons, and it was a great opportunity to give RDA a much needed change in role, Hammond will still be greatly missed going forward. Bra’tac’s reaction when he learns that Hammond has been replaced is so somber. It was the perfect note to demonstrate the trust and respect he’s earned as the leader of the SGC among our allies. I do love that he has a chance to be the hero, and goes out doing what he’s always done, protecting SG-1 so they can save the world.
YAY TEAM!!!!
It is so great to see that SG-1 team dynamic we so love. It seems like it’s been a long time since they’ve just been together on a good old fashioned go through the stargate and save the world adventure. Feels just like old times. And we get Hammond and Bra’tac and Reynolds and Walter all coming along for the ride. I just wish Janet could have been there.
I could say so much more. There are so many great moments, especially between Jack and each member of the team as he makes the choice to sacrifice himself and then as he says his farewells. But I’ll just say that I love the team and it’s so clear that each member of the team loves one another and that’s one of the biggest reasons why SG-1 is special for me.
Sam and Jack
I think Lost City would be a great episode(s) even without the ship, but let’s face it, the ship really takes it over the top. It starts with ship, ends with ship, and just oozes with ship. All that’s missing is the BHK. (I agree with those who have said that a kiss would have been out of place here, but there’s a part of me that still wanted it!)
I like the continuity of having part one and part two start with the crossword puzzle. So I’ll start there too.
I wish I knew the whole story behind that bet because clearly it had been going on for a while. There had to have been at least one puzzle before this one (double or nothin’), and what exactly do you think was at stake? Whatever it was, Daniel had been quite clearly warned to stay out of it. It seemed like Jacl was trying to prove something to her, and his obsession with finishing the crossword puzzle before he completely lost his mind can be seen as his way of holding on to her for as long as possible.
Sam and Jack’s interactions around that puzzle are so completely beyond professional. She actually scolds him for being late. (When was the last time you scolded your boss for being late?) And later when she reads his “Uma Thurman†answer doesn’t Jack just look like he got his hand caught in the cookie jar. (Or maybe he was thinking, I would have written Sam Carter if I didn’t think you’d kick my a$$.) Later when she takes command and gives him a direct order that’s a cute moment, but let’s face it she’s been ordering him around for a while now and he doesn’t seem to mind it that much.
Over and over again we get hints about how he’s placed her up on a pedestal. He jokes with Daniel that helping him with the crossword puzzle will be the one thing she doesn’t know. Joking with Weir about how Carter can explain all about time being relative, again playing up what he sees as her genius. Then there’s the national treasure discussion at his house. He sees her as so much more valuable than himself and would still rather die than loose her. And while he cuts her off in the cargo ship, saying that he knows what she wanted to tell him, does he really know, does her really understand that saving the world isn’t worth it to her if she loses him?
When she comes to his house he asks if Hammond sent her to check up on him, like he can’t believe she would come to him on her own. Then of course they have so much to say to each other that they know they can’t say that they both stumble for anything to say. This leaves her feeling unsure about whether he really wants her there and she prepares to leave, but he can’t let her walk away entirely so he tells her to stay.
And the ending just breaks my angst loving heart. When it seems like he’s about to surrender to the inevitable it’s her “please†that always seems to drag him back from the brink.
So how did they ever get her to leave him? She worked night and day and rewrote the laws of physics to bring him home from Edora. She lost her cool several times and at one point totally broke down when he was stranded with Maybourne. I just can’t see her going back to the SGC and clocking out for a date with
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I'll just end by saying that I totally agree that at this point there is no question that Sam and Jack are completely in love despite the many barriers that both literally and figuratively remain between them.
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