Ronon pulling Mckay's leg at the end.

[Pandora's_Box]

But Pandora, if what you say is true, that means that Ronon is stringing Jennifer along just to play a joke on Rodney.

I cannot condone anyone toying with someones affections just for a laugh, and I hope TPTB wouldn't say so either.

I think Ronon is telling the truth.

That would be true if we'd seen Ronon really doing anything to make Jennifer believe he felt more than he actually does, but we haven't seen him actually do anything aside from the almost kiss in Quarantine.

So far we've seen Rodney and Jennifer be flirtatious and have seen overt feelings that extend deeper than friendship from Rodney especially, but nothing that even comes close to that from Ronon.

You may call him shy or introverted when in it comes to relationships, but Ronon does not strike me as the type of character to just do nothing when he wants something. If he'd wanted more from Jennifer, he would have gotten it. He hasn't done anything so that makes me believe that he either still isn't ready (as per what he told Sheppard ages ago), isn't that interested, or the writers are writing him inconstistently as a plot device to further this triangle.

[maxbo]

After watching the final scene in the episode. I believe Ronon is totally not into Keller like Rodney is. I think he was teasing with him because he did not know at first what Rodney meant, but then when he did, you can see his smile and it just seemed he was playing with Rodney. What do you think?

I just read the transcript and I agree that Ronon didn't seem to be interested in Keller and Keller didn't seem to be interested in Ronon or Rodney. The only interest I saw was that Rodney was interested in Keller. Now I understand why some are saying that there wasn't any triangle in this episode.

Momoa played it like Ronon was just teasing Rodney, and had no "intention" of going after Keller. If that's how he was directed, he did a great job.

If he was told that Ronon is really into Keller then Momoa did a horrible job.

Good point. I think that's it in a nutshell. Jason either did a great job or he did a lousy job.

So a man who rarely (if ever) talks about his love life, bearing in mind it took him 2 years to tell his best friend (John) about his wife and her death and who looked totally embarrassed when Jennifer asked him about his wife during the quarantine lockdown, suddenly decides to tell Rodney that he is interested romantically in Jennifer for a joke?

I don't think so.

You're inadvertently making a good point about why Ronon doesn't appear to be serious about Keller by discussing how serious he becomes when he talks about Melena.

Yet, when discussing Keller with an obviously smitten Rodney, he teases him. IMO, if Ronon were interested in Keller I don't think he would be cruel enough to tease Rodney about it. It's because he's not a threat to Rodney (where Keller's concerned) that he felt comfortable enough to have fun with him.

I'm relieved that TPTB didn't totally jump the shark with this episode by making it seem that Ronon has been pining over Keller when we've seen no evidence that he's even interested in her beyond that one scene in Trio.

[Blencathra]

That would be true if we'd seen Ronon really doing anything to make Jennifer believe he felt more than he actually does, but we haven't seen him actually do anything aside from the almost kiss in Quarantine.

So does insisting on going after Jennifer, when Rodney wanted to go back to the gate, fighting Kiryk or giving the little girl her doll and then smiling at Jennifer not count?

So far we've seen Rodney and Jennifer be flirtatious and have seen overt feelings that extend deeper than friendship from Rodney especially, but nothing that even comes close to that from Ronon.

As for Rodney and Jennifer being flirtatious, I hardly call her eating his fruitcup, flirting.

You may call him shy or introverted when in it comes to relationships, but Ronon does not strike me as the type of character to just do nothing when he wants something. If he'd wanted more from Jennifer, he would have gotten it. He hasn't done anything so that makes me believe that he either still isn't ready (as per what he told Sheppard ages ago), isn't that interested, or the writers are writing him inconstistently as a plot device to further this triangle.

But he is introverted when it comes to relationships. It took John two years to find out that Ronon had a significant other on Sateda. Wouldn't you have thought that it might have come up at some point?

I think the bolded part is the most likely. I can't imagine why Ronon would suddenly tell Rodney about being interested in a girl, whether he was joking or not. But I suppose I can live with it. *sigh*

Edit - I don't see how anyone can give their opinion on the subject by just reading the transcript. Sorry.

[Pandora's_Box]

So does insisting on going after Jennifer, when Rodney wanted to go back to the gate, fighting Kiryk or giving the little girl her doll and then smiling at Jennifer not count?

From what I gather, he would do that for Sheppard, Teyla, or McKay. Does he love them and want to make babies with all of them too?

As for Rodney and Jennifer being flirtatious, I hardly call her eating his fruitcup, flirting.

It's what they were saying and how. Very flirtatious.

....Wait.....You don't get turned on by fruitcups, Blen?

But he is introverted when it comes to relationships. It took John two years to find out that Ronon had a significant other on Sateda. Wouldn't you have thought that it might have come up at some point?

All that means is that he would never say anything. He's just not the "kiss and tell" type. That doesn't mean that he's also incapable of making a move or showing feeling. We should have still seen signs of his feelings in his actions towards her sometime before Quarantine and now (like we have with Rodney) if he truly had intentions.

Edit - I don't see how anyone can give their opinion on the subject by just reading the transcript. Sorry.

Oh, they can give their opinion quite freely and readily apparently. That doesn't necessarily mean that there's a lot of substance behind it however.

[Blencathra]

From what I gather, he would do that for Sheppard, Teyla, or McKay. Does he love them and want to make babies with all of them too?

Who knows? He's been "without" for a very long time

You are right, but I don't think he would be quite so... desperate about it, like running off without Rodney and poking Rodneys knee with his gun while telling him off for holding him up.

But you do admit to the fact that Ronon is wanting to make babies with someone.

It's what they were saying and how. Very flirtatious.

....Wait.....You don't get turned on by fruitcups, Blen?

Hell no. I prefer something meatier, that I can get my teeth into.

All that means is that he would never say anything. He's just not the "kiss and tell" type. That doesn't mean that he's also incapable of making a move or showing feeling. We should have still seen signs of his feelings in his actions towards her sometime before Quarantine and now (like we have with Rodney) if he truly had intentions.

He did. Most notably in Doppleganger.

After the Quarantine epsiode, perhaps he didn't quite know what to think but Jennifers kidnapping and Rodney's obvious interest has crystalised his feelings.

Oh, they can give their opinion quite freely and readily apparently. That doesn't necessarily mean that there's a lot of substance behind it however.

True. But nuances of look & voice are important though when debating this particular subject.

BTW Pandora, I'm conscious that we are spamming a thread that should be about whether Ronon was joking or not. Perhaps we could take this conversation over to this thread?

[Briangate78]

I just read the transcript and I agree that Ronon didn't seem to be interested in Keller and Keller didn't seem to be interested in Ronon or Rodney. The only interest I saw was that Rodney was interested in Keller. Now I understand why some are saying that there wasn't any triangle in this episode.

See, this is why I think the writers of Atlantis have become deeper and are writing for 3D characters. When we think like this, it's a good sign.

My take is Keller is interested in Mckay. Remember when Teyla visits her in "The Seed" with the baby? She says to Teyla that she catches Mckay talking to Carson in stasis. She then goes onto say with a smirk that "he amazes me sometimes". Also, in "The Shrine", the video shows Rodney saying he loves Keller, and you can see the look on her face.

I also think "The Last Man" is very Foreshadowing to events that could happen. What would be very impressive of the writers if something did happen to Keller down the road like if she fell ill and actually died, but alas the show has been cancelled for Teenage Mutant Stargate Universe so we will never see this play out.

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See, this is why I think the writers of Atlantis have become deeper and are writing for 3D characters. When we think like this, it's a good sign.

My take is Keller is interested in Mckay. Remember when Teyla visits her in "The Seed" with the baby? She says to Teyla that she catches Mckay talking to Carson in stasis. She then goes onto say with a smirk that "he amazes me sometimes". Also, in "The Shrine", the video shows Rodney saying he loves Keller, and you can see the look on her face.

I also think "The Last Man" is very Foreshadowing to events that could happen. What would be very impressive of the writers if something did happen to Keller down the road like if she fell ill and actually died, but alas the show has been cancelled for Teenage Mutant Stargate Universe so we will never see this play out.

I agree that, based on past episodes, Keller is interested in Rodney - I just didn't see any interest in this episode. Also, because Trio was the only Ronon/Keller moment, I was wondering how TPTB would make Ronon a part of a triangle. I was pleased to see that they didn't really try because they put the focus Rodney's feelings more than anything else.

Unfortunately, by focusing on Rodney's feelings, TPTB sort of left him out there twisting in the breeze and I don't care for that because now it looks like he's more interested in Keller than she is in him.

I know one of the writers said they didn't know where this "triangle" was going and this episode certainly supports that.

[Briangate78]

I agree that, based on past episodes, Keller is interested in Rodney - I just didn't see any interest in this episode. Also, because Trio was the only Ronon/Keller moment, I was wondering how TPTB would make Ronon a part of a triangle. I was pleased to see that they didn't really try because they put the focus Rodney's feelings more than anything else.

Unfortunately, by focusing on Rodney's feelings, TPTB sort of left him out there twisting in the breeze and I don't care for that because now it looks like he's more interested in Keller than she is in him.

I know one of the writers said they didn't know where this "triangle" was going and this episode certainly supports that.

I totally agree that this triangle did not exsist and was supposed to not go anywhere. The episode was meant to focus more on Rodney's feeling for Keller. This time he basically said it out loud in so many words. "I am interested in Keller".

[Constanza]

I wasn't really sure. He grinned, like he was joking, but then so did Han Solo in the first 'Star Wars'. We know how that turned out. Thus,

Spoiler:

Rodney is Keller's brother!

Hahahahahahaha… oh boy!

[Ripple in Space]

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You are right, but I don't think he would be quite so... desperate about it, like running off without Rodney and poking Rodneys knee with his gun while telling him off for holding him up.
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He did. Most notably in Doppleganger.

After the Quarantine epsiode, perhaps he didn't quite know what to think but Jennifers kidnapping and Rodney's obvious interest has crystalised his feelings.


True. But nuances of look & voice are important though when debating this particular subject.

BTW Pandora, I'm conscious that we are spamming a thread that should be about whether Ronon was joking or not. Perhaps we could take this conversation over to this thread?

I'm personally of neither camp, because I think "shipping" would be bad for the show (Joe Flannigan said the same thing recently). Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see Jack & Sam get married after SG-1 is over with, but any shipping pre-ending would stunt the story.

Like I said before, Momoa clearly played it like he was teasing McKay, his facial expressions were clearly showing that he wasn't being serious, when Ronon's serious it's really obvious. And like others were saying, none of the scenes (recently) showed Ronon indicating that he likes Keller anymore than anyone else. He trains Rodney & Marines too, and whenever anyone of his team are missing or in trouble, he pursues at 100%.

Now if there is a triangle, which based on the most recent eps I doubt, just logically I'm pretty sure she'd pick McKay. Why? Because McKay is a brainy ordinary looking guy like, oh, the writers. Ronon is portrayed by a former male supermodel unlike the writers. Also, the writers have given a more pro-McKay bias than any other character including Jack, Daniel & John. Just look at how many eps McKay is front & center in.

The only reason I'd have a slight leaning towards Keller ending up with McKay would be because Hewlett's given amazing performances showing a deep affection for her in "The Last Man" & "The Shrine." But still, I wouldn't want to see it coming to fruition until they're ready to end the stories of Keller's character. And I really wouldn't care if she ended up with Ronon, well except that that would mean Momoa did a crappy job of showing genuine love & rivalry in this last ep.

[Pandora's_Box]

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BTW Pandora, I'm conscious that we are spamming a thread that should be about whether Ronon was joking or not. Perhaps we could take this conversation over to this thread?

Oh, I don't think it's spamming if it's on the topic of whether or not Ronon was teasing Rodney and why.

Right, Brian oh masterful starter-of-the-thread?

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I thought so at first but now ...I'm not so sure...

yeah i believe that , i think he was just messing with him

but honestly i think Ronon and Keller are a bad match i mean i don't care for anylove triangles i have had a enough of them in shows

also i am particularly fond of behind the doors slash

[Briangate78]

This might help...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7Y3FssMAYY

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That's what I thought, too. Never did it cross my mind that Ronon was only teasing McKay, because if he wasn't into Keller, than why would he have volunteered to go off-world with her to begin with?

And the fact that Ronon thinks McKay is no challenge really makes me mad at him! I'd choose McKay over Ronon any day!

Are we sure Ronon volunteered to go off-world? We know McKay did because Sheppard clearly states it. However, I can't imagine Woolsey or Sheppard allowing Keller to go off-world by herself. Even if they fully trusted these people, the Wraith could (and did) show up at any minute. And Sheppard certainly wouldn't let 2 civilians (McKay and Keller) go without armed escort.

Ronon might have volunteered. Keller might have asked him. Sheppard might have asked him. But I don't think you can read Ronon going with her in the same light as McKay going.

And I'd choose McKay over Ronon, too.

I'm sorry but disagree. I wouldn't like that to be how people perceive Ronon. As someone who would tease his friend about liking the same girl as he does. I like Ronon cause he is what he is. He is to the point and above all I think he is quite honest. In that ending scene, if it were all a joke, he would of told Rodney that he was just kidding and that Rodney would have smooth sailing there but no he didn't. He remained honest enough to his friend to let him know that yep he's a bit attracted to her too.

So I hope it all resolves itself but I'm sooo not a fan of the two of them after Keller. I'd much rather they both found someone else.

You make a good point - Ronon is what he is. However, he's also spent a lot of time with McKay over the past four years and knows how to motivate him. In McKay's world, everything is a competition. What better way to keep Rodney on his toes than to let him think he has to be his best when he's around Keller? I do think Ronon has a soft spot for Keller because she reminds him of Melena. He's going to be protective of her and want her to be treated right.

I think his initial response to McKay was his honest answer.

What are your intentions? None.
Are you interested in her? No.

It's only after Rodney admits to being interested that Ronon says he is.

So a man who rarely (if ever) talks about his love life, bearing in mind it took him 2 years to tell his best friend (John) about his wife and her death and who looked totally embarrassed when Jennifer asked him about his wife during the quarantine lockdown, suddenly decides to tell Rodney that he is interested romantically in Jennifer for a joke?

I don't think so.

I don't think I'd call what Ronon said a "joke". I think he said it as a challenge to McKay. As I noted above, his original answer was no. I think if he were truly interested in her and McKay had asked the question, that Ronon's demeanor would have been different - a lot more standoffish not smiling. Because you're right. He hasn't been open about his past. Suddenly he's telling McKay that he's interested in Keller? That doesn't sound like him.

[Everlovin]

Personally, I don't think Ronon was teasing Rodney at all. I think it is important to remember that Ronon is from another culture. He probably doesn't know all of the idioms that we throw around with ease. Intentions at first could have been intending to do any number of things. I think with the look on Rodney's face after Ronon answered "No" clued him into the fact that intentions was probably something significant. Then, he had to decide how vulnerable he wanted to make himself to Rodney. I.e. admitting his feelings. Personally, I thought the smile he gave there could be described as wolfish.