Weir in Adrift and Lifeline (Spoilers)

[Integrabyte]

So, as far as I'm concerned the two storylines, as yet, aren't even similar, other than they're both 'out there' somewhere and not on Atlantis.

Weir follows in Ford's footsteps. Both have the same exit ticket but with slight variations, one of them becomes a super soldier, the other a human replicator. Ford gets the enzyme from the Wraith to live longer during the feeding process, Weir gets the nanites to live longer. Both have side effects. Bottom line, Ford and Weir borrow some elements from our beloved enemies and lose control. There aren't many things left for Weir to do in the show. Just like Ford she cannot be spontaneous and is predictable. She will do something along the lines...

1. Takes over the replicators, turns into a baddy, killes all the Wraith, attacks Atlantis , John takes her out.
2. She is assigned to kill our heroes, McKay manages to get to her human part, she helps the team on a mission and joins Carson's fishing team or she ascends.
3. Oberoth kills her just for fun.


If Scenario 1 happens then our show will have only 4 seasons and we have the Repli-Carter thing all over again. After they eliminate her, our heroes will retire because we are out of baddies.

[Linzi]

Weir follows in Ford's footsteps. Both have the same exit ticket but with slight variations, one of them becomes a super soldier, the other a human replicator. Ford gets the enzyme from the Wraith to live longer during the feeding process, Weir gets the nanites to live longer. Both have side effects. Bottom line, Ford and Weir borrow some elements from our beloved enemies and lose control. There aren't many things left for Weir to do in the show. Just like Ford she cannot be spontaneous and is predictable. She will do something along the lines...

1. Takes over the replicators, turns into a baddy, killes all the Wraith, attacks Atlantis , John takes her out.
2. She is assigned to kill our heroes, McKay manages to get to her human part, she helps the team on a mission and joins Carson's fishing team or she ascends.
3. Oberoth kills her just for fun.


If Scenario 1 happens then our show will have only 4 seasons and we have the Repli-Carter thing all over again. After they eliminate her, our heroes will retire because we are out of baddies.

Well, I guess those are similarites, if you look hard enough in any storyline there are similarities to previous one's. I also see differences too, as explained in my previous post.

I don't see why scenario 1 happening would mean we'll only have four seasons of SGA - how can anyone possibly know or predict that? I also can see many other scenarios than the one's you offer here. I also think Weir's storyline has the potential to be longer lasting and more interesting than Ford's one.

On a sidenote, would you mind please making sure you quote using the posters name when quoting and replying to a post? It's confusing otherwise. Thanks.

[IcyNeko]

I hope they don't Ford up Weir.

It's kind of sad.. every time stargate writers try to Locutus up Stargate, it fails miserably. Though, if they wanted to write Weir out of the story completely for a season or so, they could go the path of ascension. That's almost a story arc I'd perk up to.

Something like... on the surface, the replicators are using Weir to fight the humans. But in Replicator-space, Oberoth torments her by letting her be aware enough to see what they're forcing her body to do. At some point, Niam confronts Weir, and Weir is able to reactivate his memories about why he helped the team in the first place. Then, at some point, Niam and his cohorts help Weir regain control of her body, and at a climactic moment, they all ascend.

Something sorta like that.

But SG:A is doomed, people. We're really out of baddies. :|

[Integrabyte]

On a sidenote, would you mind please making sure you quote using the posters name when quoting and replying to a post? It's confusing otherwise. Thanks.

My bad, point taken. Did not realise I took the name out .

Something like... on the surface, the replicators are using Weir to fight the humans. But in Replicator-space, Oberoth torments her by letting her be aware enough to see what they're forcing her body to do. At some point, Niam confronts Weir, and Weir is able to reactivate his memories about why he helped the team in the first place. Then, at some point, Niam and his cohorts help Weir regain control of her body, and at a climactic moment, they all ascend.

Something sorta like that.

But SG:A is doomed, people. We're really out of baddies. :|

...predictable scenario once again. Weir is a dead story. Annoying but true. Her character kind of grew on me. With Carson they took the easy way out and it was very efficient. We really are out of baddies and we need them in order to have more than 4 seasons. They cannot stretch the Wraith and Asuran thing to infinity. We need ascended beings to get in touch with our heroes, we need more ancient tech and we need the asgard tech. This is a must otherwise we will have plot holes over plot holes.

[Pitry]

Yes, really. More believable on the Weir character (not so sure about the others, but at least for Weir.) Too often the acting on SGA is, to me, a bit over the top (=trying to hard.) Commonly in past episodes (and one of by beefs with SGA) the charcters are too snarky, too... whatever, they are trying to be too much. Real life is usually more laid back, subtle, and suggestive and not demonstrative. That is what I got from Tori in the first two episodes here... more reality. Perhaps because in real life her role on the show is disappearing, the emotions from that spilled over into the character's imminent demise...

So, cheers for Tori...

Well, I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. I've felt Torri Higginson is one of the best actors in the programme and she amde the character shine without a lot of substance. I just noticed that in these episodes, the acting of the people I usually feel are good actors- Higginson and David Hewlett - felt like they're standing there and givign their lines, and the acting of the actors I'm usually less than enthusiastic about - Joe Flannigan and Rachel Luttrel - felt to me even more unfitting to the episode and scenarios. I didn't feel emotions from almost anyone involved. It could be also not the actors' fault but the writing/directing/editing - the episode once again took the "let's not stop for breath" method of storytelling that left little to no room for emotional depth.

One note... be careful of being influenced by lack of music and sound effects in the review copies. It makes the whole viewing experience a little less prone to the adrenaline rush. You may have more of an emotive experience when you watch the final version.

I know. I've actually taken this into consideration. Thing is, music can only do so much. It helps, it can - when it's composed correctly - add so much to the episode - but if there's no emotional depth whatsoever, the music isn't going to fill in the blanks. And the best way for me to know what I feel is not a result of the lack of musical score - other than waiting a week and watching again - is Sunday. Because all the key scenes there concerning Carson are either completely muted from music or with very, very faint musical score. And that episode did make me feel, and even cry.
And, TBH, I'm usualyl not too impressed with Joel Goldsmith's music for Stargate - there were instances I thought he did a fantastic job, but usually it doesn't have too much of an affect.

That sounds like it would be very difficult to do in a show like SGA. Since SGA tends to be an action heavy fantasy/SciFi show with a target audience that is probably not honed for long, possibly introspective, melodrama your idea probably wouldn't be so popular with the ratings. Even on SG-1, the writers had to lighten the burden of Janet's death by having her keep coming back via alternate realities, and also in lightening Daniels radiation sickness with his "ascension." If they had made Weir a vegetable (or near one) and kept her that way it would probably be too heavy a dose of reality for the show's life. Even if they had merely made her slightly mentally damage that would have been too much. After all, how many (permanently) handicapped characters have we seen on SGA/SG-1 before? These are shows portraying healthy and often beautiful people, not hard doses of reality.

I'm sorry, but I absolutely don't want to see a brain-damaged Weir. That would be absolutely awful for the character, in my opinion No way, would a person with brain damage we allowed to stay on a high risk expedition like Atlantis. Not just that, significant brain injury takes months of specialist care to overcome. People who've had brain surgery are on anti-epileptic drugs for a long time afterwards for starters, which cause problems in themselves. That's just one example of why that wouldn't work. Would I want to see an arc for Weir where we see her battle with her disability? Absolutely not. Atlantis isn't ER or a drama show of that sort.

Maybe you both are right. Maybe I'm the one who has outgrown Stargate Atlantis. Maybe the show is directed at demographics that isn't me, and it shows. I dunno. You're right that such a thing woudl be hard to watch - and yes, I know something of what it really involves and how utterly frustrasting it can be to watch, especialy in a television show you're tuning in weekly for escapism.
But the thing is, as I said, it's not necessarily the right way to go - but it would have been something differnet. The thing that annoyed me most about Weir's removal from the show is the fact it felt like a re-run of the Siege. To me, at least, I see there are people who disagree . I was bored. One of my favourite characters in the show was gone and I find myself bored and not even slightly interested in her fate. You know what? I'd have preferred them killing her, permenantly, and never seeing her again, and not this.
And it would have been somethign with more impact. I honestly don't know - maybe the continuation of the season would be better, maybe they'll all of a sudden find again the show they were writing from Real World to Sunday instead of the show they were writing in season 2. Byut I know that right now, I don't feel like tuning in to Stargate Atlantis for escapism. Because within two episodes - and I loves First Strike, BTW - they've left me feeling bored.

I don't actually think so far, Weir's storyline is like Ford's per se. Though, of course, we haven't seen TMC yet.

Weir was a prisoner of war when we last saw her, Ford ran off hyped up on enzyme, having being altered personality wise by that powerful drug. He went rogue. So far that hasn't happened to Weir. Her story was heroic and self-sacrificing. She sacrificed herself to save the team and Atlantis knowing what it would mean for her. So, as far as I'm concerned the two storylines, as yet, aren't even similar, other than they're both 'out there' somewhere and not on Atlantis.

Someone else has explained it aslready, so I'll just shortly repeat - both storylines involve removing the character from the show by giving it an "edge" that is taken from the bad guys and then leaving the character in the hands of the badguys. The details of what's that edge and who are the badguys is, for me, an example of re-writing the script instead of shooting the exact same episode again. It feels like ticking a box with "we need this and this and this". Box-ticking writing doesn't keep me itnerested, only frustrated and bored.

[kymeric]

Personally I hate it more when they leave a character of which they don't have the intention of keeping them around, hanging in limbo, then that they would just kill it and be done with it.

That illusion burst a long time ago.

Blame the *****y fans. If they do get closure they get abuncha fanatics out their window marching with candles singing kumbyah till they bring beckett back... oops

[Falcon Horus]

Blame the *****y fans. If they do get closure they get abuncha fanatics out their window marching with candles singing kumbyah till they bring beckett back... oops

I'm not sure I can green you but I'll give it a shot in a second...

*snort*

[Linzi]

Well, I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. I've felt Torri Higginson is one of the best actors in the programme and she amde the character shine without a lot of substance.

I think it is in the eye of the beholder, you're right. For me, I've felt the opposite and I really liked her here

I just noticed that in these episodes, the acting of the people I usually feel are good actors- Higginson and David Hewlett - felt like they're standing there and givign their lines, and the acting of the actors I'm usually less than enthusiastic about - Joe Flannigan and Rachel Luttrel - felt to me even more unfitting to the episode and scenarios. I didn't feel emotions from almost anyone involved. It could be also not the actors' fault but the writing/directing/editing - the episode once again took the "let's not stop for breath" method of storytelling that left little to no room for emotional depth.

Goodness, I felt the opposite I thought it was all very emotional, and that's what I loved about it. DH and JF were there wonderful selves, I thought, RL was great, though admittedly she didn't have an awful lot to do at times. I especially though JF was fantastic. The look on his face when he found out about Weir's condition and the tears in his eyes made tears come to my eyes. I personally don't want season openers to be full of reflection. I want fast paced stories, with emotional interludes etc.. for me I was satisfied with what I saw. But, let's not forget these were unpolished and incomplete episodes.

I know. I've actually taken this into consideration. Thing is, music can only do so much. It helps, it can - when it's composed correctly - add so much to the episode - but if there's no emotional depth whatsoever, the music isn't going to fill in the blanks. And the best way for me to know what I feel is not a result of the lack of musical score - other than waiting a week and watching again - is Sunday. Because all the key scenes there concerning Carson are either completely muted from music or with very, very faint musical score. And that episode did make me feel, and even cry.
And, TBH, I'm usualyl not too impressed with Joel Goldsmith's music for Stargate - there were instances I thought he did a fantastic job, but usually it doesn't have too much of an affect.

I love Joel Goldsmith's scores personally, and feel generally they are well suited to the scenes. Occasionally I find them distracting. I can't agree there was no emotional depth in these episodes. I thought it had far more in it that usual. Well, each to his/her own

Maybe you both are right. Maybe I'm the one who has outgrown Stargate Atlantis. Maybe the show is directed at demographics that isn't me, and it shows. I dunno. You're right that such a thing woudl be hard to watch - and yes, I know something of what it really involves and how utterly frustrasting it can be to watch, especialy in a television show you're tuning in weekly for escapism.

Honestly, for me, nothing has changed that much. Not yet, anyway. It looked like the same old SGA but just was more emotional, I thought. Other than the dramatic conclusion to the Weir storyline, they were like most SGA season opening episodes for me. A mixture of vis effects, racing against all odd to survive, danger for a character or two, action and some character moments, but pretty fast paced.

But the thing is, as I said, it's not necessarily the right way to go - but it would have been something differnet. The thing that annoyed me most about Weir's removal from the show is the fact it felt like a re-run of the Siege. To me, at least, I see there are people who disagree . I was bored. One of my favourite characters in the show was gone and I find myself bored and not even slightly interested in her fate. You know what? I'd have preferred them killing her, permenantly, and never seeing her again, and not this.

I see your point, but I'm wouldn't be a fan of killing Weir off. I like resolution ultimately, yes, but I feel this storyline has got more mileage in it. Moreso that Ford's. By The Hive I was tiring of his, to be honest.

And it would have been somethign with more impact. I honestly don't know - maybe the continuation of the season would be better, maybe they'll all of a sudden find again the show they were writing from Real World to Sunday instead of the show they were writing in season 2. Byut I know that right now, I don't feel like tuning in to Stargate Atlantis for escapism. Because within two episodes - and I loves First Strike, BTW - they've left me feeling bored.

That's a shame I'm sorry you felt that way. I sat enthralled, really I guess you and I are opposites of the spectrum today!

Someone else has explained it aslready, so I'll just shortly repeat - both storylines involve removing the character from the show by giving it an "edge" that is taken from the bad guys and then leaving the character in the hands of the badguys. The details of what's that edge and who are the badguys is, for me, an example of re-writing the script instead of shooting the exact same episode again. It feels like ticking a box with "we need this and this and this". Box-ticking writing doesn't keep me itnerested, only frustrated and bored.

I see where you're coming from. But, for me, Weir's storyline was compelling, and I didn't link it to Ford's. Maybe I'm just easily pleased?

[Pegasus_SGA]

Weir follows in Ford's footsteps. Both have the same exit ticket but with slight variations, one of them becomes a super soldier, the other a human replicator. Ford gets the enzyme from the Wraith to live longer during the feeding process, Weir gets the nanites to live longer. Both have side effects. Bottom line, Ford and Weir borrow some elements from our beloved enemies and lose control. There aren't many things left for Weir to do in the show. Just like Ford she cannot be spontaneous and is predictable. She will do something along the lines...

1. Takes over the replicators, turns into a baddy, killes all the Wraith, attacks Atlantis , John takes her out.
2. She is assigned to kill our heroes, McKay manages to get to her human part, she helps the team on a mission and joins Carson's fishing team or she ascends.
3. Oberoth kills her just for fun.


If Scenario 1 happens then our show will have only 4 seasons and we have the Repli-Carter thing all over again. After they eliminate her, our heroes will retire because we are out of baddies.

I disagree, I think this plot line opens more storylines up for Weir, and more interesting ones to boot. Think about it, previously Weir's role was, to say the least, not that exciting (sorry, but true). Now though it gives Weir the chance to be an interesting character, to go outside the norm. (Personally I like Ford the rebel), and I look forward to seeing how they'll tie Weir in to the continuing arc. From your list, I think they're all great opportunities for Weir and ultimately isn't that what people have been asking for?

There are always baddies out there, we just haven't met them yet.

I hope they don't Ford up Weir.

It's kind of sad.. every time stargate writers try to Locutus up Stargate, it fails miserably. Though, if they wanted to write Weir out of the story completely for a season or so, they could go the path of ascension. That's almost a story arc I'd perk up to.

Something like... on the surface, the replicators are using Weir to fight the humans. But in Replicator-space, Oberoth torments her by letting her be aware enough to see what they're forcing her body to do. At some point, Niam confronts Weir, and Weir is able to reactivate his memories about why he helped the team in the first place. Then, at some point, Niam and his cohorts help Weir regain control of her body, and at a climactic moment, they all ascend.

Something sorta like that.

But SG:A is doomed, people. We're really out of baddies. :|

I seem to be very disagreeable lately I quite enjoy the fact that characters get to play their polar opposites sometimes. But what I like to see more tbh is the ramifications of actions, how they felt leaving her behind, what the future holds and how they'll handle her being in the enemy's hands.

My bad, point taken. Did not realise I took the name out .

...predictable scenario once again. Weir is a dead story. Annoying but true. Her character kind of grew on me. With Carson they took the easy way out and it was very efficient. We really are out of baddies and we need them in order to have more than 4 seasons. They cannot stretch the Wraith and Asuran thing to infinity. We need ascended beings to get in touch with our heroes, we need more ancient tech and we need the asgard tech. This is a must otherwise we will have plot holes over plot holes.

See, for me, the Asgard are not part (really) of the SGA storyline, and to be honest I can't see it happening that we integrate their tech into SGA. I look forward to more wraith, travelers, genii, hopefully Kolya, the weird looking dudes in

Spoiler:

missing

, I think it was.. and I can't believe I said 'dudes'... oh man.

Well, I guess it's in the eye of the beholder. I've felt Torri Higginson is one of the best actors in the programme and she amde the character shine without a lot of substance. I just noticed that in these episodes, the acting of the people I usually feel are good actors- Higginson and David Hewlett - felt like they're standing there and givign their lines, and the acting of the actors I'm usually less than enthusiastic about - Joe Flannigan and Rachel Luttrel - felt to me even more unfitting to the episode and scenarios. I didn't feel emotions from almost anyone involved. It could be also not the actors' fault but the writing/directing/editing - the episode once again took the "let's not stop for breath" method of storytelling that left little to no room for emotional depth.

I think they all played their parts very well, and don't forget there was no score, which can add to the suspense and drama. I disagree once more that they didn't show feelings? What about Ronon, or Sheppard or McKay fighting on Weir's behalf? Don't forget this ep isn't 'finished'.

I know. I've actually taken this into consideration. Thing is, music can only do so much. It helps, it can - when it's composed correctly - add so much to the episode - but if there's no emotional depth whatsoever, the music isn't going to fill in the blanks. And the best way for me to know what I feel is not a result of the lack of musical score - other than waiting a week and watching again - is Sunday. Because all the key scenes there concerning Carson are either completely muted from music or with very, very faint musical score. And that episode did make me feel, and even cry.
And, TBH, I'm usualyl not too impressed with Joel Goldsmith's music for Stargate - there were instances I thought he did a fantastic job, but usually it doesn't have too much of an affect.

I think it (the score) adds more to the feeling of an episode than people realise. Are you going to watch the final version? I loved the end scene of Sunday for that very reason.

Maybe you both are right. Maybe I'm the one who has outgrown Stargate Atlantis. Maybe the show is directed at demographics that isn't me, and it shows. I dunno. You're right that such a thing woudl be hard to watch - and yes, I know something of what it really involves and how utterly frustrasting it can be to watch, especialy in a television show you're tuning in weekly for escapism.
But the thing is, as I said, it's not necessarily the right way to go - but it would have been something differnet. The thing that annoyed me most about Weir's removal from the show is the fact it felt like a re-run of the Siege. To me, at least, I see there are people who disagree . I was bored. One of my favourite characters in the show was gone and I find myself bored and not even slightly interested in her fate. You know what? I'd have preferred them killing her, permenantly, and never seeing her again, and not this.

Why not watch it as the finished version and see how you feel then? Or not... How was it a re-run of the siege?

And it would have been somethign with more impact. I honestly don't know - maybe the continuation of the season would be better, maybe they'll all of a sudden find again the show they were writing from Real World to Sunday instead of the show they were writing in season 2. Byut I know that right now, I don't feel like tuning in to Stargate Atlantis for escapism. Because within two episodes - and I loves First Strike, BTW - they've left me feeling bored.

I loved the Real world I don't know what to say to you to make you feel 'less bored', but if you loved FS, what's changed?

Blame the *****y fans. If they do get closure they get abuncha fanatics out their window marching with candles singing kumbyah till they bring beckett back... oops

I shouldn't laugh, but

[Pegasus_SGA]

I think it is in the eye of the beholder, you're right. For me, I've felt the opposite and I really liked her here



Goodness, I felt the opposite I thought it was all very emotional, and that's what I loved about it. DH and JF were there wonderful selves, I thought, RL was great, though admittedly she didn't have an awful lot to do at times. I especially though JF was fantastic. The look on his face when he found out about Weir's condition and the tears in his eyes made tears come to my eyes. I personally don't want season openers to be full of reflection. I want fast paced stories, with emotional interludes etc.. for me I was satisfied with what I saw. But, let's not forget these were unpolished and incomplete episodes.



I love Joel Goldsmith's scores personally, and feel generally they are well suited to the scenes. Occasionally I find them distracting. I can't agree there was no emotional depth in these episodes. I thought it had far more in it that usual. Well, each to his/her own

My goodness Linz, are we going to have a difference of opinion here.

I think for me that Joel's scores actually add depth, emotion and excitement to an episode. I didn't realise how much music was used until I watched these eps, and goodness me the man deserves a gold star. For me though it heightens the experience and the acting involved, and certainly not distracting! Sorry Linz i'm gonna have to.... disagree with you on this... But on a more positive note, I completely agree with you on all your other points

[Linzi]

My goodness Linz, are we going to have a difference of opinion here.

I think for me that Joel's scores actually add depth, emotion and excitement to an episode. I didn't realise how much music was used until I watched these eps, and goodness me the man deserves a gold star. For me though it heightens the experience and the acting involved, and certainly not distracting! Sorry Linz i'm gonna have to.... disagree with you on this... But on a more positive note, I completely agree with you on all your other points

OMG! You disagreed with me? How dare you! Huh, you disconnected yourself from the Porgie collective again, didn't you? Cheeky lil Devil, you!

[Pegasus_SGA]

OMG! You disagreed with me? How dare you! Huh, you disconnected yourself from the Porgie collective again, didn't you? Cheeky lil Devil, you!

I'm ashamed to admit I have. I'm sorry, Linz, but I can only be porged by you so often... oh my that sounds so rude, and then my individuality reasserts myself.

[Linzi]

I'm ashamed to admit I have. I'm sorry, Linz, but I can only be porged by you so often... oh my that sounds so rude, and then my individuality reasserts myself.

Oh yeah, you're one of a kind alright!

[Pitry]

Honestly, for me, nothing has changed that much. Not yet, anyway. It looked like the same old SGA but just was more emotional, I thought. Other than the dramatic conclusion to the Weir storyline, they were like most SGA season opening episodes for me. A mixture of vis effects, racing against all odd to survive, danger for a character or two, action and some character moments, but pretty fast paced.

I guess this is a part of the problem for me. Nothing has] changed.
When the Siege aired, I lvoed it to bits. Istill think it's one of the best season 1/2 episodes. And I loved how fast-paced it was, really. I remember on first viewing, it felt incredibly fast and interesting.
When No MAn's Land aired, it was jsut as fast, but I've already seen that - and the incredible CGI, ni Siege. I admit what I like best about the episode was Weir's storyline - her struggle with the IOA, her bits with Landry adn Woolsey - they're by far the slowest parts of the episode, but they gave it a soul. I wasn't thrilled by the episode, but I liked it much better than I did Flesh and Blood, for example.
When watching Adrift.... it felt exactly like a Stargate Atlantis season opener, actually. Only this time it isn't new anymore. So a lot of the things that made Siege a good epsiode to me are now exactly the thigns that make me dislike Adrift.

I see your point, but I'm wouldn't be a fan of killing Weir off. I like resolution ultimately, yes, but I feel this storyline has got more mileage in it. Moreso that Ford's. By The Hive I was tiring of his, to be honest.

Here'st o hoping! Oh, I would love if they actually use the fact they didn't ,kill her off to do somethign with her. Who knows, maybe if there is a season 5 we'l even get her back (extremly unlikely...). I'm hoping, but I have to admit I'm doubtful.

That's a shame I'm sorry you felt that way. I sat enthralled, really I guess you and I are opposites of the spectrum today!

Bwahaha, so we are! Well, it;d be boring if peopel agreed all the time!

I think they all played their parts very well, and don't forget there was no score, which can add to the suspense and drama. I disagree once more that they didn't show feelings? What about Ronon, or Sheppard or McKay fighting on Weir's behalf? Don't forget this ep isn't 'finished'.

Actually, you're right - I wanted to mention Rionon when I was talking about the music, and forgot. If there is a moment in Adrift where the music will probably be helpful it's the Ronon scene when he's talking to the unconscious Elizabeth. That's the only scene I've felt projected eral feelings, and would probably be enhanced by the music.
As for the McKay bits - they were going so fast from crisis to crisis I didn't feel they gave him time to stop and expres his efelings -like Ronon did, for example. And as for Sheppard.
Look I'm sorry, I hoenstly am... I just can't connect to Joe Flannigan's acting....

I think it (the score) adds more to the feeling of an episode than people realise. Are you going to watch the final version? I loved the end scene of Sunday for that very reason.




Why not watch it as the finished version and see how you feel then? Or not... How was it a re-run of the siege?

Don't worry, I've every intentino to watch the finished version, too.

How was it a re-run of the Siege? Well..... the "and then" type of storytelling - moving from one crisis to the other, never let your characters rest, because as soon as they overcome one crisis another pops up. After a while it makes me stop feeling the suspense. There's such a thing as too much crisis where it just gets tiresome - and if it's about keeping your adrenaline up just from watching television,t here are better ways of doing it.
Also, the nature of the crisis - Atlantis is under attack and in imminent danger of destruction. Switch that with the Daedalus and you got No Man's Land, as well.
The whole Weir/ Ford similarities I've talked about.
Why did I like First Strike but not Adrift? First strike didn't follow the "and then" storytelling. At least a part of it didn't. The entire beginning was jsut that - a beginning; we were told a story and the writers let it be told. In a way, I think a part of the problem is the automatic allocation of a two parter as season premiere, and perhaps the cliffhanger as the season finale. Had they framed it differnetly - make this 3-parter a 2-parter, or drop the entire idea of cliffhanger, it would have been forced them to pace it differnetly. I've thopught about it, and I think the reaosn I've never felt like this with SG1 season premieres is because they structured them differently. It was a 4 parter for season 1-2. A 2 parter for season 2 or 3, another 3/4 parter for season 4/5.... And then no cliffhanger for Redemption, or a semi 5 parter for Lost City/ New ORder, the three parter of Avalon... they kept on changing things. Atlatnis could probably benefit from a change of habit.
And also, lastly and I stop ranting, promise - I felt the human moments in First Strike were more human. The part when Elizabeth talks to Teyla about her anger of being ignored by the military stands to mind, but I have a feeling there were others.
It could be also a matter of freshness. We always see our heroes in danger of death and the rest of the heroes worry about whether they'll survive or not. Seeing one fo the heroes talking about being pushed out of command was... well, different.

[Integrabyte]

I'm ashamed to admit I have. I'm sorry, Linz, but I can only be porged by you so often... oh my that sounds so rude, and then my individuality reasserts myself.

Just don't take the whip out .