Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[eyecandylovr]

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Come to think of it, was it ever said that she lived in Georgetown? I know she was a professor at Georgetown, but her house could have been in Bethesda, Chevy Chase, etc. Still rather pricy though, and doesn't account for her car having DC plates (Home). Simon's house (Home/Intruder) seemed to be somewhere in the far suburbs. The headline about Simon's "death" read (close as I can remember) "Georgetown Doctor killed in car crash", but that could be in referrence to where his practice is. Guess they do the best they can trying to make buildings in the Vancouver area fill in for the rest of North America.

Yeah, my friends and sister and I laugh when we see scenes supposedly set in the woods in Colorado, or in Colorado Springs. I live north of Denver and it's pretty dry here, but Colo Spgs is even drier. I can tell you there's no forest in Colorado like the one where Jack's cabin is. No undergrowth like that around here. (they don't call them the Rocky Mountains for nuthin'!) Not to mention the trees are different. If you want to see what Colorado Springs really looks like, check out the Cheyenne Mountain shots. Those are real. So yeah, they're doing the best they can, but Vancouver is not Colorado.

[Anjirika]

You know, in my Sparky music video binge I've noticed two things- one is the way that they look at eachother- there is something behind theirs eyes- something that the actors are bringin got the table I think because if TPTB really and honestly don't think that this is a ship then they need to take a better look at how Joe and Torri are playing the characters (but some how I think that TPTB would have caught something so-shippish and nipped it in the bud at the very beginning) Anyways, the second thing that I've noticed is that John tends to sit on her desk a lot- that alone shows a level of intimacy between the characters. They are so close that he doesn't have to sit across from her, he can sit next to her.....just a little thought that I wanted to share with you all. Oh, also a telling sign of how much they care about each other is in 'Progeny'. What John does, and how he does it, and the look that Elizabeth gives him as she's about to step though the gate...well ^_^ total sparky there too.....and i'm rambling.

[Melyanna]

Seriously, anyone know just how *many* episodes have ended with the two of them just talking or staring at each other as a focus pair?

Off the top of my head...

Rising
Thirty-Eight Minutes
Underground
Home (possibly?)
The Eye
Hot Zone
Before I Sleep
The Brotherhood
The Gift
Siege II (can we count that?)
Siege III
Runner
Epiphany (sort of)
Critical Mass
The Tower
The Long Goodbye
Coup d'État
Michael
Inferno
Progeny (I think?)
The Real World

That's almost half the episodes that have aired, folks.

[Izzybaz]

Off the top of my head...

Rising
Thirty-Eight Minutes
Underground
Home (possibly?)
The Eye
Hot Zone
Before I Sleep
The Brotherhood
The Gift
Siege II (can we count that?)
Siege III
Runner
Epiphany (sort of)
Critical Mass
The Tower
The Long Goodbye
Coup d'État
Michael
Inferno
Progeny (I think?)
The Real World

That's almost half the episodes that have aired, folks.

And yet no one can acknowledge that this is a potential ship. Either TPTB are playing their cards very close to their vests or they're crazy!

[Bama]

Off the top of my head...

Rising
Thirty-Eight Minutes
Underground
Home (possibly?)
The Eye
Hot Zone
Before I Sleep
The Brotherhood
The Gift
Siege II (can we count that?)
Siege III
Runner
Epiphany (sort of)
Critical Mass
The Tower
The Long Goodbye
Coup d'État
Michael
Inferno
Progeny (I think?)
The Real World

That's almost half the episodes that have aired, folks.

Thanks!! Wow, truly unbelievable. And that doesn't even count the truly meaningful convos both professional-and somewhat personal-that they've had together *during* the episodes. Quite the body of evidence for focus pairing I'd dare say.

I just re-watched TRW with the husband a bit ago

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and I turned and said to him at the end that Elizabeth doesn't really know who she is without John anymore. That was just yet another thought that popped into my head after that ending segment which I just get so, so much from about both of them and their inner feelings. Wow. Great, great ep.

[eyecandylovr]

Off the top of my head...

Rising
Thirty-Eight Minutes
Underground
Home (possibly?)
The Eye
Hot Zone
Before I Sleep
The Brotherhood
The Gift
Siege II (can we count that?)
Siege III
Runner
Epiphany (sort of)
Critical Mass
The Tower
The Long Goodbye
Coup d'État
Michael
Inferno
Progeny (I think?)
The Real World

That's almost half the episodes that have aired, folks.

Wow, that's amazing how many there are! And ITA, with exactly 43 minutes or whatever to fill, and lots of footage on the cutting room floor, the fact that these scenes keep making it in is just hit-you-over-the-head significant, I think!

[Anjirika]

Off the top of my head...

Rising
Thirty-Eight Minutes
Underground
Home (possibly?)
The Eye
Hot Zone
Before I Sleep
The Brotherhood
The Gift
Siege II (can we count that?)
Siege III
Runner
Epiphany (sort of)
Critical Mass
The Tower
The Long Goodbye
Coup d'État
Michael
Inferno
Progeny (I think?)
The Real World

That's almost half the episodes that have aired, folks.

Oh my god- I had no idea that it was that many...and that is only ending scenes. How many scenes within the episode are they together? This, if nothing else shows the ship in my opinion.

[A.L.]

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Of course he would... He has said as much in Sateda... and we wouldn't expect any less of him.
But the arm grabbing incident is only one of many moments in TRW... There is a context to consider too... What makes TRW really "shippy" IMO is the focus of the episode on the two of them... The fact of the matter is that they didn't have to do it... they could have made Weir see the spectre of different people... like Carson or Teyla or Rodney at different times. Instead, the writer choses to focus on Sheppard and Weir for whatever reason. God forbid that TPTB trying to suggest that the two of them have a relationship which is a "little" different from any other relationship that they have in Atlantis.

The response to that idea was

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that it was obvious to have shep not for shippy reasons but because they are the lead team and so she's used to having him around when it comes to making decisions and leading so she'd be used to having his input on things . . . er, something like that.

I don't agree with that idea, that's just what was said about it.

AL

[A.L.]

Hi y'all,
I know this is a discussion thread, but can I pic spam you all of my favorite scene ever at TRW?

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That last pic look like he's gonna cry...awww.

I think I speak for most if not everyone here when I say pic spam like that is so totally welcome.

AL

[Easter Lily]

The response to that idea was

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that it was obvious to have shep not for shippy reasons but because they are the lead team and so she's used to having him around when it comes to making decisions and leading so she'd be used to having his input on things . . . er, something like that.

I don't agree with that idea, that's just what was said about it.

AL

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I'm cool with that too. But my question is why didn't any of the others jump in and do the motivational stuff... (I noticed someone in the episode thread suggesting that it would have made more sense for Teyla to be the one. Which made no sense to me considering that the two women have hardly had any heart to heart talks.) It's one thing to have someone invading your psyche out of habit and whatnot but it doesn't explain why TPTB didn't use the others but Sheppard alone...
Still, I have no doubt that Sheppard and Weir are not just colleagues but friends... and there's no better foundation for Sparky than friendship...

Yeah, I know... I'm preaching to the converted...

[Bama]

I think I speak for most if not everyone here when I say pic spam like that is so totally welcome.

AL

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I tell you one thing. He totally did not have to rush in there all crazy like that and put his hands on her. It was almost like he'd been driven to the edge of sanity by having to just stand around and watch her fight the little machine turds and he couldn't stand it any longer-he *had* to touch her for himself and make that potential connection that could make a difference. The camera work there was telling too. There was a second of lingering and an upclose. Please. Oh, it was just an accident-I'm sure we weren't supposed to notice anything 'special' about that moment at all.

[Izzybaz]

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I tell you one thing. He totally did not have to rush in there all crazy like that and put his hands on her. It was almost like he'd been driven to the edge of sanity by having to just stand around and watch her fight the little machine turds and he couldn't stand it any longer-he *had* to touch her for himself and make that potential connection that could make a difference. The camera work there was telling too. There was a second of lingering and an upclose. Please. Oh, it was just an accident-I'm sure we weren't supposed to notice anything 'special' about that moment at all. *rolleyes*

I laughed so hard at the part I bolded that my dog woke up and looked at me like I'd lost my mind. Love it.

[Melyanna]

Oh my god- I had no idea that it was that many...and that is only ending scenes. How many scenes within the episode are they together? This, if nothing else shows the ship in my opinion.

Last season I did a vid that was seven minutes long, and before I got started I went through all the episodes that had aired at that point (we were up to #15 in Season 2) and clipped any scene that I thought would work visually for a shippy vid. In those thirty-five episodes, I came up with about ninety minutes of footage. And that's just the visual stuff. There were many more scenes that were shippy while not being suitable for a vid.

[Izzybaz]

Everyones on a vid kick I think so yes, to be one of the cool kids I bring yet another vid, lol

Title: Savin' Me
Artist: Nickelback
Author: Me
Character/Pairing: Weir mainly but slight bits of sparky
Format: wmv
Size: 22 mb

youtube: here
sendspace: here

Just watched the video and I love it! I love how you

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didn't even put in the John touches Elizabeth moment and it STILL seemed so shippy! Lovely work.

[A.L.]

My sis and I just finished watching TRW and CG trailer again and noticed a few things:

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1. Elizabeth takes her binky-blanket with her when she goes to find a wormwhole in her closet after Shep leaves her bedroom. LOL!
2. Did anyone else consider that Shep might have been in her bed? Remember at the hospital when the blankets start to rise as though someone is in them? And we've already established that Shep was the only one trying to or actually got through to her.
3. In the Common Ground trailer, Kolya says "I wanted to make sure you were around to see this" before Shep is fed on. As far as Maja and I can remember the only people he would be talking to would be Rodney and Lizzie because they were the only other two besides Shep he had a real huge beef with. And since I'm not a McShep shipper I'm going to believe that he was talking to Lizzie. *la*

So? What do you all think? Did someone already mention these and I missed it?

AL

EDIT: Yay! I've moved up from Super-Soldier to Death Glider Pilot! *throws confetti, candy, pics of Sparky goodness* Watch out, it's hard candy. Never understood why they threw those at Parades. They hurt!