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Originally posted by anaMI was not being sarcastic and I am sorry if it looked like that. I just think you see the tree and lose the forest.
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I was not being sarcastic and I am sorry if it looked like that. I just think you see the tree and lose the forest.
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Originally posted by ladysarahHa, one of my closest friend is a huge Sheppard fangirl and she's in a long term relationship with another woman, lesbians like Sheppard too!
I also like Sheppard, I just WISH they would drop the kirking already. And a good friend doesn't hit on the girl his mate (perhaps his best friend) likes. That's low, and that's not what I like to see Sheppard do.
Haha. Yes, as I said, I think he is quite cute, for a guy.
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Originally posted by TrialiaDon't get me wrong, I'm still a Sheppard fan. I also think Joe's quite cute. I'm not a Shep thunker because I'm a lesbian, not because I don't like him.
I also like Sheppard, I just WISH they would drop the kirking already. And a good friend doesn't hit on the girl his mate (perhaps his best friend) likes. That's low, and that's not what I like to see Sheppard do.
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Originally posted by anaMI guess you are right. Our girls don't need a man who is loyal to his friends and stands up for them, who would give his life to save others without blinking an eye, who has enough brain to save the situation sometimes even though not a scientist, who cares about people and tries to help...they just don't need a man like that.
Sarah... you have a good point. I don't think the writers are taking into account that Sheppard is not 25. At times they seem to be living vicariously through him, and I really don't like that. Why can't we get back the original John Sheppard from the first half of season 2, the one I loved as my second favourite character? With the exception of Sanctuary, he was wonderful throughout season 1. It's only the last few episodes of season 2 that the writers have decided to have him make several bad decisions (TLG anyone?), a few of which have involved "Kirking", that have reflected badly on his character. Don't get me wrong, I'm still a Sheppard fan. I also think Joe's quite cute. I'm not a Shep thunker because I'm a lesbian, not because I don't like him. I just wish the writers would get him back on track and give us more character development.
At least with Allina, she was three-dimensional enough to betray the team to the Genii, and Sora, well, I love Sora. Great character. I wish TPTB would tell us what happened to her. If she were betrothed, I'd have thought her fiance (can't use the accent because of browser issues) would have wanted to get her back, no? Anyway, my problems with Kirking from any characters are mostly that they involve such 2D characters. It's silly.
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Originally posted by FoolishPleasureAs a Shep/Weir shipper, I'm even having trouble with that pairing. Does Lizzie, or Teyla for that matter, deserve a guy who is going to check out every other gal when they aren't around? Or is Shep going to suddenly fall for one of our girls and never flirt again? Can anyone really see that happening? I'm beginning to think both our girls deserve someone better.
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Originally posted by FoolishPleasureIf the writers would give us something about his past that contributed to his "issues" then it might work..
But the way the writers set up Shep's behaviour, it's like, they are saying it's cute, and it's a quirk of his personality which makes him endearing.
They are endorsing his behaviour. And it's not all flirting, just particular aspects, like when he put his foot in it with Sora's father in 'Underground' the security disaster of Chaya or flirting with Norena because he's jealous Rodney is getting all the attention (how petty is that? hitting on the girl that his friend likes, and a friend who doesn't have many girls who are into him because Sheppard needs an ego rush, with total disregard for not only professionalism, but his friend's feelings).
I'm not a prude, I don't have a problem with flirting. But Sheppard is almost 40 years old. To the writers it's a funny gag, but for me, it just makes it look like Shep has unresolved issues that make him act like a pig.
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Originally posted by ladysarahI reckon he's got some deep seated commitment issues. Like, he'll flirt, he'll sleep with a girl, but he's too afraid to get close and form a proper relationship. I think I'd find the flirting OK with that hook, but the writers haven't seen fit to elaborate more, so we're left with just that, speculation.
In BSG, Starbuck sleeps around, but we have seen she was horribly abused as a child, plus we also discovered she was responsible forSpoiler:the death of her BF (Lee's brother) in the past.
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Originally posted by FoolishPleasureIt told me the writers aren't going to stop
It was a bit of a slap in the face wasn't it. A bit like 'We know some of you guys can't stand that behaviour, here you go, we're the writers, DEAL'.
Originally posted by FoolishPleasureOr is Shep going to suddenly fall for one of our girls and never flirt again? Can anyone really see that happening? I'm beginning to think both our girls deserve someone better.
Maybe if they have an episode where the team is run out of an offworld village at the point of spears because Sheppard flirted with the head man's daughter and then Rodney spends a good amount of time ripping him apart with his snark because he almost DIED OMG, and then Elizabeth lectures him on professionalism inter-cut with some type of trauma he had with an ex-girlfriend (cue violins, she died of cancer, or something, or maybe his mother died when he was young), and we GET SOME type of insight and he grows as a character.
I could deal. But, the writers think the flirting is funny and humourous plot device. Which does not make me happy.
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Originally posted by bluealienWhen has he ever displayed this trait on duty. Oh maybe with Elizabeth but of course that is fine - Sheppard is not on duty 24/7 and it was only while off duty that any of these instances occurred.
I'm also confused about all the people who say Shep is hot, single and a MAN. Like men are some sort of inferior creature who can't go more than a certain amount of time without sex. WTH? What about all those hot, single women, like Weir, Teyla, Carter? Or is that different? Single women don't want or need sex?
As for the flirty instance in NML, I agree it wasn't much, but it was the "teeny" straw that broke the camel's back. It told me the writers aren't going to stop, and its not what I want to see in my lead, heroic character (who I loved so much in season 1).
As a Shep/Weir shipper, I'm even having trouble with that pairing. Does Lizzie, or Teyla for that matter, deserve a guy who is going to check out every other gal when they aren't around? Or is Shep going to suddenly fall for one of our girls and never flirt again? Can anyone really see that happening? I'm beginning to think both our girls deserve someone better.
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Originally posted by Tracy JaneActually, it's a DISCUSSION thread. But not anymore. Doesn't matter what the original purpose was, it seems.
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Originally posted by AlipeepsBut it's been decided that discussion of the issue is not permitted in this thread - this is apparently a strictly anti-kirking opinion thread and other points of view are not appropriate. That's the decision that has been taken.
OK, sure I can go with that too. Whatever works.
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Originally posted by ladysarahI'm happy to discuss it with anyone who has reasonable arguments. I'm always up for debate.
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Originally posted by Tracy JaneActually, it's a DISCUSSION thread. But not anymore. Doesn't matter what the original purpose was, it seems.
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