Iris on the Ori supergate

[Darien]

I wonder if a few Mark IXs would destroy segments of the gate. They were designed to incinerate traditional gates so maybe they could do some damage to the supergate, too.

[Tomouse55]

Here is an idea get a big meteor and through it at the supergate. If it is being powered by a black hole then the gravity could be used an accelerator. If the object is bigger than the gate and traveling fast enough it just might be enough force to disrupt the gate.

Remember though that we see Carter sitting at the side of the supergate after the Ori first come through and she wasn't being affected by gravity. The singularity used to create the power source for the supergate must have been contained somehow otherwise it would tear the supergate apart, perhaps inside a shield or maybe a layer of subspace.

[kirmit]

I might be wrong but I thought the blackhole was on the Ori's side of the supergate, not ours? It's being powered by their end, that's why in pegasus project we had such trouble activating it, we needed the power of the blackhole in pegasus.

[Alendra]

There's a blackhole on both sides, rewatch "Beachhead".

[wise one]

There's a blackhole on both sides, rewatch "Beachhead".

the one the ori came through was a different place than the one in beachead

the one in beachhead took over a jaffa planet but vala managed to disrupt the gates and cause it to explode

the one in camelot was from another area since nearly all hataks were out searching for ori gate activety

and since the gate is powered by a blackhole from the ori galaxy they can dial back

[Alendra]

the one the ori came through was a different place than the one in beachead

Yeah I know, that was just the reference.

the one in beachhead took over a jaffa planet but vala managed to disrupt the gates and cause it to explode.

If you rewatch this, you will see that what destroys the gate is the shockwave from the creation of the singularity (black hole).

the one in camelot was from another area since nearly all hataks were out searching for ori gate activety

Yeah I know.

and since the gate is powered by a blackhole from the ori galaxy they can dial back

Yeah, but in "The Shroud" Daniel dials from MW to Ori galaxy, and you can't dial out without any power, there has to be a big enough power generation to first dial the gate, after the connection yeah, the gate can draw power from the arrival gate, but you still need initial power to connect, it didn't came out of nowhere.
I still think there is a blackhole near the Camelot supergate, I don't know why it wasn't show any moment, cause the creation of a supergate as we know it is :
1- A prior comes on a planet via stargate, and creates some forcefield.
2- When the forcefield is big enough to engulf the planet, the parts of the supergate come through the stargate and assemble in the supergate near the planet.
3- The planet shrink and collapses into a singularity.
4- Congratulations, you have a working supergate !

Only problem with the Camelot gate : I still don't see HOW they made it, the individual parts are WAY too big to fit through a normal stargate, and they couldn't bring em' from ships ... plothole ?

[kirmit]

There's a blackhole on both sides, rewatch "Beachhead".

There's no sign of a blackhole anywhere near the Camelot gate though, We've seen the surrounding area 4 times I think and none of those time have they shown a blackhole on our side. Who knows how Daniel dialled out, plothole lol.

Don't ask about the segments, it's been a long debate on these forums lol. The general idea though is that a supergate 'Beachhead' size was contructed and then the 'camelot' segments came out of that.

[wise one]

what got me was something so small, smaller than the gate, the ori gate segment managed to destroy a hatak??

[2ndgenerationalteran]

we know a gate cannot dial or be dialed when in constant motion, since space has no medium why dont we attach some major thrusters to it and just have it move so it wont have an exact location.

[sg8man]

Remember though that we see Carter sitting at the side of the supergate after the Ori first come through and she wasn't being affected by gravity. The singularity used to create the power source for the supergate must have been contained somehow otherwise it would tear the supergate apart, perhaps inside a shield or maybe a layer of subspace.

No shield / subspace required.
Much more likely that the supergate is in orbit around the black hole. Carter would thus feel no gravitational pull from the black hole, just like you cant feel the pull of our sun right now.

Remember, black-hole's arent big scary monsters (well, they are, but thats not the point.) And they have exactly the same gravitational pull of the star they used to be, just concentrated.

[Tomouse55]

No shield / subspace required.
Much more likely that the supergate is in orbit around the black hole. Carter would thus feel no gravitational pull from the black hole, just like you cant feel the pull of our sun right now.

Remember, black-hole's arent big scary monsters (well, they are, but thats not the point.) And they have exactly the same gravitational pull of the star they used to be, just concentrated.

That's a good point actually, she'd be feeling the same gravitational force as the supergate and therefore not moving relative to it. Also, good call on the black-hole and them not having to be massive like normally thought of.

We wouldn't be able to see any signs of it anyway as there would be no matter to accrete.

[Dusk]

we know a gate cannot dial or be dialed when in constant motion, since space has no medium why dont we attach some major thrusters to it and just have it move so it wont have an exact location.

Or, tug an asteroid into the unopened gate, preventing a connection from occuring. Or just put one in front, would make for a pleasant surprise upon rematerialization!

[Tomouse55]

Or, tug an asteroid into the unopened gate, preventing a connection from occuring. Or just put one in front, would make for a pleasant surprise upon rematerialization!

I'm not sure if an asteroid would actually do any damage to an Ori mothership, we've seen it survive a shielded Ha'tak crashing into it, plus we'd actually have to get an asteroid there....

Actually, what about the Naquada core asteroid that the Go'auld sent to Earth and SG-1 towed through the planet with a cargo ship hyperspaces engines. Couldn't we go find it and then tow is using a 304 to the supergate, load up a nuke on the surface and then boom, instant fireworks and no more supergate.

[Alendra]

No shield / subspace required.
Much more likely that the supergate is in orbit around the black hole. Carter would thus feel no gravitational pull from the black hole, just like you cant feel the pull of our sun right now.

Remember, black-hole's arent big scary monsters (well, they are, but thats not the point.) And they have exactly the same gravitational pull of the star they used to be, just concentrated.

Good points, but for the gravitational pull well, the ones of black holes are much more important that the one of the star they used to be, simple thing to prove it ... light can escape a stars gravity, not a black hole one
Though the gate is probably in orbit around it, as you said.

[2ndgenerationalteran]

but the problem with the putting a shield or an asteroid as an iris or a means to burry the gate is that the ori ships already in our galaxy would return to the gate and just shot the crap out of what we used to block incoming travelers. The asteroid would be torn apart and the shield depleted.