Asgard Tech vs. Ancient Tech

[Giantevilhead]

If they had the knowledge, they would have used every piece of technology available to defeat the Replicators. And swarms of drones were much more effective than the conventional Asgard weapons.

And that would be a mistake because the Replicators would just consume those new technologies and become even more powerful. That was the whole reason why Thor went to earth for help. They needed "less sophisticated" methods to fight the Replicators. If the Dakara weapon hadn't wiped out all the Replicators then RepliCarter would have gotten to it and either destroyed it or used it for her own purposes.

[thekillman]

the asgard needed us because we werent advanced: because of it, whatever we used wouldnt be countered as it wasnt more advanced.

the replicators also countered everything used against them. but since dakara was never used against them, they couldnt adapt to it.

asgard with drones doesnt work. if they did, they couldve used the same against the individual replis, rendering our help useless. they clearly saw the advantage of beam weapons, and the war had led them to think more advanced is better.

ancient drones wouldnt penetrate replishields[ if even possible in the first place], because the replis can do the same already. they wouldve fixed that. annother thing is, their beam weapons were probably already existing, but Ethon gave them the idea to locally penetrate a shield as opposed to depleting it. or they invented it themselves completely, focussing the attack of their main weapons into a single beam.
or they used the Ethon sattelite to make it. there are so many possibilities.
the problem many do not want to see is, replicators adapt.

-asgard cityshields are no use. replicators would just penetrate them. a cityshield on Orilla or halla, or whenever the replis rained down on their homeplanet, wouldnt have been any use: they wouldve passed straight through the shield. or the 1 millionth would have done so, after they adapted to it. just as drones wouldve been useless. they were vulnerable to ancient tech, one could say. but then again, they never fought ancients, and thus couldnt counter anything as effective as against asgard.

[Ltcolshepjumper]

If the Asgard were so worried about creating more advanced tech, why did they create the Oneill class ship? It was far more advanced than the Beliskner, and yet they upgraded their ships. Why? Because they needed an advantage against the replicators. The replicators were already beating them. Also, the replicators would only be able to stop drones if they had come in contact with the technology. They hadn't. Now, after the first use, they'd probably be able to stop them.

[Giantevilhead]

It was a lose lose situation for the Asgard. If they didn't make more advanced technology then the Replicators would keep kicking their little gray butts. If they made more advanced technology then they risk making the Replicators even more powerful if they were to lose that technology.

Drone technology might have helped but eventually the Asgard would have been overwhelmed by the Replicators just like how the Ancients were overwhelmed by the Wraith. The difference is that the Replicators would have absorbed the drone technology and became even stronger.

[Finger13]

just for the record.

the asuran ships didnt fire drones they were firing beams. because drones are fired from only one location from the ship as seen when the arora piloted by sheppard fires in the same scene. plus the asuran tech are cheap replicates anyways.

the ancient drones own all. FACT

The Asuran ship had to have fired drones to block Shepperd's volley of drones in the scene where the one Asuran ship tries to run. You couldn't intercept so many drones like that with energy weapons at such close range.

But they were definitely firing both, as for instance the shot that finished off that Traveler's ship was an energy weapon, not drones. Which is retarded.

And as for the destructive power of drones, I would think that in the instances where we have seen a few or several of them take down Ha'taks and Hives, they must hit something critical inside. Otherwise it requires the dozens as we've seen in other episodes.

I'm not saying that drones aren't effective though. Even if it's not the drone itself destroying the target, a dead target is a dead target.

[Ltcolshepjumper]

The Asuran ship had to have fired drones to block Shepperd's volley of drones in the scene where the one Asuran ship tries to run. You couldn't intercept so many drones like that with energy weapons at such close range.

But they were definitely firing both, as for instance the shot that finished off that Traveler's ship was an energy weapon, not drones. Which is retarded.

And as for the destructive power of drones, I would think that in the instances where we have seen a few or several of them take down Ha'taks and Hives, they must hit something critical inside. Otherwise it requires the dozens as we've seen in other episodes.

I'm not saying that drones aren't effective though. Even if it's not the drone itself destroying the target, a dead target is a dead target.

That was the only instance when the Asurans fired drones. Drones are very destructive en masse. However, for a race with the resources of replicators, they should have had enough to launch swarms of drones. And with a mega-city version of Atlantis, they should have had drone bays on the planet.

[Ltcolshepjumper]

It was a lose lose situation for the Asgard. If they didn't make more advanced technology then the Replicators would keep kicking their little gray butts. If they made more advanced technology then they risk making the Replicators even more powerful if they were to lose that technology.

Drone technology might have helped but eventually the Asgard would have been overwhelmed by the Replicators just like how the Ancients were overwhelmed by the Wraith. The difference is that the Replicators would have absorbed the drone technology and became even stronger.

But if they had the technology, they would have used it.

[s09119]

But if they had the technology, they would have used it.

It was a plot device. Had the Asurans used the millions of drones they should have had, the allied fleet wouldn't have lasted 10 seconds.

[Gate-builder]

They probably would have started firing drones from the surface, but there was the small problem of anyone who was capable of firing them being sucked into Rodney's super-dense blob.

[Murzin]

the asgard were alive when the ancients were around, the 100k reference in 5th tribe i am guessing is when the PG asgard lost contact with the Ida asgard, not when the asgard period became aware of the ancients.

plus, i dont care what you think, ancient > asgard tech.

hell, you may be able to make a case for nox > asgard tech.

what we have seen so far may not be the penultimate ancient tech. im hoping thats something that gets answered in Universe.

even thor has said they barely scratched the surface of one of the ancient legacy devices.

story wise, the ancients are supposed to be the ultimate tech avanced culture around. suggesting something different breaks lore.

[thekillman]

story wise, the ancients are supposed to be the ultimate tech avanced culture around. suggesting something different breaks lore.

even the story contradicts this.

point is, i think the first post is bad, its more like:

Asgard Tech vs. Ancient Tech vs. Lantean Tech

now the difference is clear.

see the Ancients [refer MW ancients to as ancients] as the roman empire.
see the Lanteans as end of the Dark Age /enlightment.

there mustve been a huge loss of knowledge and expertice after the plague. so the lanteans had all basics , + a ton of scientists. barely any millitary, and other guys. the Cityships were still from MW, as the ancients probably moved onto the next architectural design. the Lanteans continued this.


now i 100% dare to say this, and fully believe in it:

Asgard>Lanteans
Ancients ? Asgard.


the latter doesnt have +, < or >. why? simply because we dont know enough. there's no way of knowing what ships they had, ETC. we dont know enough. leave merlin out of this. he was a frikking ascend. Avalon: no clue. i personally think merlin upgraded it a bit, after it was made by the ancients themselves.

an aurora seems to be rather weak. if it needs a ZPM to do proper damage...
an oneill= ZPM wouldnt do a thing. but why does a 304 get so much better then? because that thing is underpowered. it has an ASGARD hyperdrive. that can do MW-P in 4 days, and when really pushing, even less. the ASGARD can do atleast the same, and probably push their drive even further due to dual hyper. the Ancients. did they have an intergalactic? Orion seems to prove so. clearly, they were purposefully created to be "galactic" [interstellar sounds so slow]. but the ancients could modify it to become much faster. perhaps even intergalactic. Orion was probably made Intergalactic using the Aurora Report [like the wraith]. it did quite well, for a 10000 year old ship. we dont know how a full aurora does. the traveller one does quite well. but we dont know against the wraith.

annother problem bugging me is the firing thing. at one point, the Orion beat the crap out of a hive. seeing that the primary weapon of the ancients is the drone, it should be a drone carrier above all. an entire wraith fleet could be obliterated in no time. 1 aurora could wipe out the fleet attacking atlantis. how many thousands of hives had there been then? fifty thousand or so? im rather thinking the wraith cut the crap and instead just kamikazed Cruisers into the Aurora's with their hive bashing the shields too. i see no other way.

[Giantevilhead]

But if they had the technology, they would have used it.

And it still wouldn't have stopped the Replicators. The fact remains that the Ancients got their butts kicked by the Wraith because the Wraith had superior numbers even though their technology was much weaker. The Replicators had far greater numbers than the Wraith and not only did they have better technology, they had the ability to steal any new technology they consume.

[thekillman]

a single village could be turned to a wraith fleet...

[Buba uognarf]

Killman, how do you know Aurora's didn't carry huge numbers of drones? You could easily fit the Antartic outpost in an Aurora. The Ancients considered their ships unbeatable in the early stages of the war and were happy to send them into Wraith territory possibly alone to exterminate them. They probably did have massive drones supplies which they used to wreck fleets of Wraith vessels. Once the Wraith got the ZPM's however they cloned large armies and presumably used the power of the ZPM's to speed the growth of entire fleets of vessels.

For all we know while the Ancients were kicking butt the Wraith had fields of humans slowly turning into Hive ships. It took time for them to grow but at some point the number of Wraith vessels exploded as the many ships under construction became operational.

[Murzin]

considering everything we know about the ancients (alterrans/lanteans) im suprised at you people.

in the "history" part of ark of truth, they refuse to use force to stop the ori, rather preferring to survive than fight and win.

apply the same logic to the wraith. do you honestly belive the lanteans could not have defeated the wraith had they really wanted to, knowing that all they had to do was create a new Dakara style device to wipe out life in the galaxy, and then start over? the only logical assumption is the lanteans DID have the technology and know-how to stop the wraith, but their pacifistic nature stopped them from absolutely doing anything it took to win.

rather they tried to fight "fair" and "evenhanded" rather than win absolutely.