Power should be shared

[Detox]

It's not who deserves to be in charge, it's who has been PUT in charge by those above them.

YOUNG: Well, I can't force people to do something they don't wanna do.

O'NEILL: You're in command of that ship! It's not a democracy.

Young is the commander of ship, whether the civilians like it or not. If they don't, they should have taken it up with O'Neil or the IOA instead of instituting a mutiny. The whole mutiny thing honestly makes no sense at all. If they had proof Young stranded Rush, they could have just gone to O'Neil, and had him order Young to stand down and be replaced by someone else.

[The Shrike]

....The whole mutiny thing honestly makes no sense at all. If they had proof Young stranded Rush, they could have just gone to O'Neil, and had him order Young to stand down and be replaced by someone else.

Good luck getting Young to allow them access to the stones. I know he's made some bad decisions, but even he's not that dumb.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Detox,

It's not who deserves to be in charge, it's who has been PUT in charge by those above them.



Young is the commander of ship, whether the civilians like it or not. If they don't, they should have taken it up with O'Neil or the IOA instead of instituting a mutiny. The whole mutiny thing honestly makes no sense at all. If they had proof Young stranded Rush, they could have just gone to O'Neil, and had him order Young to stand down and be replaced by someone else.

If Young refused to step down and was backed by the rest of the military personel what would General O'Neil do? Earth has no ability to enforce any of the dictates they hand down.

[nx01a]

The only thing Earth can do would be to stop letting them connect via the stones. No specialists, no visits with loved ones in other people's bodies, etc.

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

nx01a,

The only thing Earth can do would be to stop letting them connect via the stones. No specialists, no visits with loved ones in other people's bodies, etc.

Not much of a threat if Young's already denying people access to the stones.

[jelgate]

nx01a,



Not much of a threat if Young's already denying people access to the stones.

No hes not

[nx01a]

nx01a,
Not much of a threat if Young's already denying people access to the stones.

That's assuming he will. Denied access was because of the alien connection in 'Space'. I don't think he'll keep anyone from the stones next episode, especially with the wealth of people they can bring to Destiny to assist. Deny them access just to keep himself 'in command'? I don't see it happening. It'll just make things even worse aboard the ship.

[beafly]

Furthermore, do we even know what Young was planning to report in space, when he inadvertently connected to the alien consciousness?

For all we know he could have been stoning back to report to O'neil and relieve himself from command?

[nx01a]

And Wray was scheduled to swap also, right? At that point she only had suspicion about Rush's 'accident' and not the confirmation she has now, but it would still have been damaging to Young.

[Gollumpus]

So let's assume they go with some sort of triumvirate. Let's even remove personalities from the equation. There is no Wray, Rush or Young. W deals with war, S with science and C gets everything else. Assuming they all play fair there should be no problems. Right?

Outside of an obvious situation like "the enemy ships are firing on us", who decides when a war scenario starts? Who decides when a war scenario ends? If W thinks a war scenario is still active and has, in his/her expert opinion a very good reason to not stop shooting, should s/he be able to be over-ruled by S and C? And if S and C do vote to stand down, how do they enforce their decision? In some cases they possibly could, in other cases they would be completely helpless.

S decides that a particular experiment should occur. C doesn't like the risks of the proposed experiment. W doesn't like it because it draws power form defensive/offensive systems. They vote S down. S decides to go ahead with the experiment regardless. They lock out W and C from the physical area and also lock them out from the ship's systems. What can W and C do about it? What do they do about it after the experiment is over (assuming they all live through it). If S did proceed in such a manner, would it become a W scenario?

C wants something from W and/or S, or both. what do they do if W says, "no, it's too risky" or S says, "no, it's too risky". What do they do? How do they get what they want?

The proposed triumvirate structure has no hope of success. The power is unbalanced, with far too much in the hands of the military or the science contingents.

regards,
G.

[FallenAngelII]

Young is the commander of ship, whether the civilians like it or not. If they don't, they should have taken it up with O'Neil or the IOA instead of instituting a mutiny. The whole mutiny thing honestly makes no sense at all. If they had proof Young stranded Rush, they could have just gone to O'Neil, and had him order Young to stand down and be replaced by someone else.

That's the whole point: They don't have proof and they know Young would never admit to his crimes.

Which is why they felt that their only option was mutiny.

Good luck getting Young to allow them access to the stones. I know he's made some bad decisions, but even he's not that dumb.

He will have to or there will be a massive strike. And the people back on Earth will also suspect something is up when no more civilians report back, especially Wray.

Furthermore, do we even know what Young was planning to report in space, when he inadvertently connected to the alien consciousness?

For all we know he could have been stoning back to report to O'neil and relieve himself from command?

Yeah, no.

Because after the incidents, it was safe to at least test the stones up again (bind up the user like in "Space"), yet he didn't report back to Earth to have them relieve him of his command. And we saw in "Divided" that he feels perfectly justified in continuing to command the ship as a dictator.

[escyos]

sure lets bicker about command instead of workign on getting home....power shouldnt be shared, what are we COMMUNISTS!

on another but cloesly similar note: power shouldnt be shared....alcohol should.

[pipi]

Young admitted to it to Wray!

No he did not! I know what you're referring to, it's episode 11 space, ~ time 03:24; Wray tells Young he has plenty of motive, then Young asks Wray if she thinks he (Young) wants people on this ship suspecting him of murder, then Wray says maybe that burden is easier to bear than dealing with Rush, then Young replies "well I'll admit it, I don't miss the man". This is a simple case of English grammar. In this instance Rush only admits that he doesn't miss the man (aka Rush), he did not admit to the allegation of murder only that he does not miss the man which is still not compelling evidence, lots of people don't miss him (Rush). Also during that same conversation Wray admits that she has NO proof that Young murdered Rush ONLY motive, which means squat unless there is actual proof.

And at ~ 09:20 when Wray talks to Young in this quaters regarding the stone malfunction, Young explicitly reminds Wray that the murder that Wray keeps accusing him of has not been proven. "I believe you mean allegedly", at this point in time Young has not admitted anything. If he did admit it to Wray why would he pretend that he didn't.

What evidence is there to "put Wray away"? It's Young's and the military's word against that of Wray's and the civilians' (and the civilians outnumber the military).

If you're referring to what evidence is there to prove that Wray incited mutiny or a coup, then that evidence will be in the advent of a trial, everyone gets interviewed and they will tell the truth about what happen on that day. It is naive to assume that all civilians or even Wray will lie under oath to deny any involvement with overthrowning Young's command. Is Chloe going to lie that nothing happen? I don't think so. Is every single civlian who was involved with what happen going to deny what happen? I don't think so. Wray will probably just plead guilty because she knows the evidence is too compelling. I don't understand what your argument is about with regards to your claim that there are more civilians than the military? SO WHAT. Irrelevant.

"I didn't do it!"
"You did!"
"You admitted to me you did!"
"I was there and heard you admit to her that you did!"

I don't recall watching that. If you can quote the episode number and time so I can rewatch it.

And I still wanna hear about all of this this alleged "evidence" that exists to put Wray away.

If there is a trial, everyone will get interviewed and the truth will come out that Wray incited a mutiny/coup. The court will read Young's military reports and they will also read Wray's reports. If everyone tells the truth in their interviews, it'll be 100% clear she's guilty as charged. There's also Kino footage of Wray's and some people plotting in the Hydro lab thanks to Eli. It doesn't get any simpler than that. Even if she pleads her case that she was provoked, it still does not excuse the crime. It's not like self defence. Two wrongs does not make a right.

[Orion's Star]

Triumvirates and power sharing agreements rarely, if ever, work out. They usually end in disollution or death. Basic understanding of human nature would tell you this is inevitable.

And if they do manage to last as a political entity, they are usually shams, where one person holds the majority of the true power and the other members of the group exist merely to offer the appearance of a divided power base.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triumvirate

[Ser Scot A Ellison]

Pipi,

What about after Young retook the ship and Wray looked at him and said, "You shouldn't have left him to die." Young responded, "You think I don't know that?" That's an admission against interest that would get by the hearsay rule.