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Originally posted by Vladius View PostIt was his team because Landry said it was his team. He got to pick people. He picked the old SG-1, they said no, Vala came through, it aggravated the situation and SG-1 was ordered to reassemble, they go on the mission, they're stuck together with him as commander. Nobody complains.
Which still doesn't show how that is a logical progression that does not ignore in-universe logic.
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Originally posted by Vladius View PostYes. Yes, yes, and yes. I am reading your posts. Once again, it seems to me like we're on different wavelengths. I want to use in-universe arguments, you want to use out of universe arguments. I see that you have problems with the writers. What I'm trying to say is that it's not as much like a cop-out to have Mitchell as it seems.
I disagree and say that they did good. The 9th and 10th seasons had some of my favorite episodes of the series, and certainly some of the most thought provoking. Cam did some things that Jack didn't, or couldn't. (Partially because Jack was starting to get old.)
The things that happened "in-universe" were written by the writers (i tried to word that without making myself sound redundant and lame...i mean really, written by the writers?!?!)so I really don't see how you can discuss one without considering the other.
As for Mitchell being able to do things that Jack couldn't, I again point to the fact that in the previous 8 season, being able to get beaten up wasn't a prerequisite for leading man. Other than that, Jack can do anything Mitchell can do, and he can do it better. With more style.
The only thought seasons 9 and 10 provoked for me was to see what else was on.Originally posted by CallistaAhhh! Ashizuri can see into the future!!
Originally posted by HPMomShe saw the candle light as many things.
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Originally posted by Vladius View PostI disagree and say that they did good. The 9th and 10th seasons had some of my favorite episodes of the series, and certainly some of the most thought provoking. Cam did some things that Jack didn't, or couldn't. (Partially because Jack was starting to get old.)
Agreed about thought provoking. Disagree about the "did good" bit.
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Originally posted by Ashizuri View PostBut see, in-universe, we understand it. We understand that everyone moved on and Mitchell came on the scene as the new leader of SG-1 and got Sam, Daniel, and Teal'c back into the fold. We get that he was the new leader. We didn't like it, thought it made for shoddy story telling and have no problems taking the writers to task for what we view as momumental mess-ups.
The things that happened "in-universe" were written by the writers (i tried to word that without making myself sound redundant and lame...i mean really, written by the writers?!?!)so I really don't see how you can discuss one without considering the other.
As for Mitchell being able to do things that Jack couldn't, I again point to the fact that in the previous 8 season, being able to get beaten up wasn't a prerequisite for leading man. Other than that, Jack can do anything Mitchell can do, and he can do it better. With more style.
The only thought seasons 9 and 10 provoked for me was to see what else was on.
What would you have done differently with the "shoddy storytelling?" Developing Mitchell as some kind of side character would make it feel even cheaper than it is now.
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Originally posted by suse View PostPlease explain to be how "the male is needed to lead because the (mostly male) viewers will be more comfortable watching a male in that position" isn't a writing/out-of-universe argument.
suseOriginally posted by Vladius View PostIt is. I was fighting fire with fire.
Got it. /sarcasm
Originally posted by Vladius View PostSpeaking of political correctness, why does there need to be a female lead when that would be completely unrealistic?
And Sam leading is but a small component of why Mitchell doesn't work at leader. Several have pointed out ways he would have been acceptable as leader. Yet... they chose to not make Michell worthy of being team leader because they also wanted a wide-eyed enthusiastic guy. They tried to have other the whole egg and the same egg broekn and baked in the proverbial cake. Both can work if you have AUs but only one can work in-universe.
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Originally posted by Vladius View PostRedundant! Lame!
What would you have done differently with the "shoddy storytelling?"
Developing Mitchell as some kind of side character would make it feel even cheaper than it is now.
So all the others in the credits are "side characters"? Not what *I* saw in S10. Or in S9. Except maybe Sam and Teal'c.
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Originally posted by Vladius View PostRedundant! Lame!
What would you have done differently with the "shoddy storytelling?" Developing Mitchell as some kind of side character would make it feel even cheaper than it is now.
Or he could have been the "Major" Mitchell, the up and coming soldier poised on the edge of promotion, bringing something unique to the team.
Just a few random examples off the top of my head.Originally posted by CallistaAhhh! Ashizuri can see into the future!!
Originally posted by HPMomShe saw the candle light as many things.
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Originally posted by Ashizuri View PostThey could have retconned him into the SCG as a member of a different team who was promoted to SG-1 leader status, that would have given him the experience/training that a lot of us have a problem with him not having.
Or he could have been the "Major" Mitchell, the up and coming soldier poised on the edge of promotion, bringing something unique to the team.
Just a few random examples off the top of my head.
And then the conversation loops back on itself, creating a complete circle.
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Originally posted by suse View PostAnd then the conversation loops back on itself, creating a complete circle.
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Originally posted by suse View Post<<awaits a reasoned response with examples of the worthiness of Mitchell to lead over a more experienced person>>Originally posted by CallistaAhhh! Ashizuri can see into the future!!
Originally posted by HPMomShe saw the candle light as many things.
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Originally posted by Crazedwraith View Post
I've said this here before but I think AT's abscence for filming the first few epidose is probably the root cause of the most of the problems people have as it caused the writers to break up SG-1 to write her out for the first episodes.
Come to think of it, if they hadn't brought in Vala, they could have had Mitchell as the eager new recruit and a familar high ranker as temporary leader. (Dixon/Griff/Reynolds hell even Ferretti would be good) but of course then they would have an all male cast which I assume is a bit of PC no-no.
Originally posted by Ashizuri View Post...Jack can do anything Mitchell can do, and he can do it better. With more style.
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Originally posted by Vladius View PostRedundant! Lame!
What would you have done differently with the "shoddy storytelling?" Developing Mitchell as some kind of side character would make it feel even cheaper than it is now.
Originally posted by KatGRather than a permanent assignment to Area 51, Sam could have been on temporary assignment due to some major project or she could have been MIA ala Daniel in "Line in the Sand" and "The Road Not Taken". If Sam was on temporary assignment, then Daniel and Teal'c could have been making their plans to go to Atlantis and Dakara during their downtime, if Sam was MIA, a temporary leader from another team could have been assigned with Mitchell as new guy in training.sigpic
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