Originally posted by Oma-1
chelle, I took your question out of spoilers cos it's not really spoilers, but is a really good discussion point.
I don't see Sam and Jack's (lack of a
) relationship as making them look weak. I see it as their strength of character allowing them to keep in control their emotions for the "greater good" of saving the universe every other week. They sacrifice the happiness they know they could have together, for the sake of us normal people. That doesn't make them weak, it makes them heroic. That's why I've been able to accept the rollercoaster ride we've been on these long years. I don't want their relationship to be resolved without the regs issue being taken care of.
I don't think Sam has ever been indecisive about her relationship with Jack at all, and neither has Jack. They both know how they feel about each other. They both knew they couldn't do anything about it. To me, that's acceptance (and great angst
).
I don't even think that Sam showed weakness by starting the relationship with Pete. She is human, and she needed companionship, romance, love - all the things everyone else needs. I see a little why Sam was swept away by
. He was very romantic, brought her flowers, took her dancing, made her laugh and smile, made her forget the toughness of her job for a while. (The only thing I find mind boggling is that she went for a puppy dog type of character who can't compare in any way to Jack! Although I suppose him being a cop is supposed to make him tough?!? Don't see it myself, but... anyway.)
I think that the weakness comes in in the way tptb wrote the storyline. They carried on the relationship too long, ignoring too many other things that had happened inbetween times (Death Knell and Lost City to name but 2). They had Sam accept the proposal in a totally inappropriate time and place. Then Threads (although it had great moments in it) was slightly farcical, because the engagement had gone on way too long and showed Sam as being indecisive in ending the relationship.
That indecisiveness I saw as a weakness of the script rather than the character. Carter never hesitates when she sees shes made a mistake. She faces it head on and tries to deal with it in the best way. In S8
In many episodes, the fact that Sam & Jack care for each other so much, and the rest of the team has been a strength to them. They have all put themselves on the line, gone way beyond the line of duty for each other - all because they care about each other so much.
Someone asked earlier if Jack had actually killed Sam in Entity, would he have carried on or quit? I think he would have carried on. Partly in her memory. Partly because he knew Sam would rather die than be trapped in her body. Partly because he wouldn't be able to give up the fight when his own sense of honour is still urging him on.
So I guess the point of all my rambling is love makes them stronger. Whether it be Sam & Jack shippy type of love, or the love between SG-1 that makes them such a powerful team, or the love they have for the rest of us peons on the planet that makes them want to keep sacrificing to save us.
Sorry for going on so long
This is one subject I feel really strongly about 
I don't see Sam and Jack's (lack of a
) relationship as making them look weak. I see it as their strength of character allowing them to keep in control their emotions for the "greater good" of saving the universe every other week. They sacrifice the happiness they know they could have together, for the sake of us normal people. That doesn't make them weak, it makes them heroic. That's why I've been able to accept the rollercoaster ride we've been on these long years. I don't want their relationship to be resolved without the regs issue being taken care of.I don't think Sam has ever been indecisive about her relationship with Jack at all, and neither has Jack. They both know how they feel about each other. They both knew they couldn't do anything about it. To me, that's acceptance (and great angst
).I don't even think that Sam showed weakness by starting the relationship with Pete. She is human, and she needed companionship, romance, love - all the things everyone else needs. I see a little why Sam was swept away by
. He was very romantic, brought her flowers, took her dancing, made her laugh and smile, made her forget the toughness of her job for a while. (The only thing I find mind boggling is that she went for a puppy dog type of character who can't compare in any way to Jack! Although I suppose him being a cop is supposed to make him tough?!? Don't see it myself, but... anyway.)I think that the weakness comes in in the way tptb wrote the
storyline. They carried on the relationship too long, ignoring too many other things that had happened inbetween times (Death Knell and Lost City to name but 2). They had Sam accept the proposal in a totally inappropriate time and place. Then Threads (although it had great moments in it) was slightly farcical, because the engagement had gone on way too long and showed Sam as being indecisive in ending the relationship. That indecisiveness I saw as a weakness of the script rather than the character. Carter never hesitates when she sees shes made a mistake. She faces it head on and tries to deal with it in the best way. In S8
Spoiler:
In many episodes, the fact that Sam & Jack care for each other so much, and the rest of the team has been a strength to them. They have all put themselves on the line, gone way beyond the line of duty for each other - all because they care about each other so much.
Someone asked earlier if Jack had actually killed Sam in Entity, would he have carried on or quit? I think he would have carried on. Partly in her memory. Partly because he knew Sam would rather die than be trapped in her body. Partly because he wouldn't be able to give up the fight when his own sense of honour is still urging him on.
So I guess the point of all my rambling is love makes them stronger. Whether it be Sam & Jack shippy type of love, or the love between SG-1 that makes them such a powerful team, or the love they have for the rest of us peons on the planet that makes them want to keep sacrificing to save us.
Sorry for going on so long
This is one subject I feel really strongly about 
Bring on S10 and bring on 
Where I'm going there is no Internet access, so I'll have a lot to catch up on. But I don't wanna pack. Let's talk ship.
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