Hives before the First Siege of Atlantis

[V-MAN]

There must have been a hell of a lot more Wraith about during the war than there are atm. 60 hive ships plus escorts isn't enough to over power the Ancients surely?

I think there must have been hundreds and hundreds if not thousands of Hives during the war, then after the Ancients were defeated perhaps there was a civil war over food sources like what is happening now that whittled their number down in addition to the losses they sustained to the Lantians. Eventualy they came up with the idea to hibernate in order to let the food sources stock back up. We know this because I'm sure it was mentioned that the Wraith didn't decide to hibernate at first so it's logical to assume they probably fought each other over food as they are doing now; perhaps these 60 hive ships represents the only faction of Wraith that survived the civil war?

Just my theory : /

[Prior_of_the_Ori]

I think the 20v1 odds might be a bit too much. Maybe 5 tp 7 but thats about it.

[Tassadar]

Well so far we have seen Ancient tech take out ships pretty much in one shot. So I don't think 1v20 is that much of an exageration.

[freyr's mother]

Well so far we have seen Ancient tech take out ships pretty much in one shot. So I don't think 1v20 is that much of an exageration.

That's only with the satellite weapon. We don't know how many drones we'd need to destroy one hiveship.

[Jimbo-DR]

you can't expect that the shield on a city can be the same on a warship

Yes, I would expect it to be stronger. Atlantis was built before the war with the Wraith. It was designed as a pinnacle of technology yes, but NOT for fighting. The warships are designed SPECIFICALLY for war, so it stands to reason that their shields are just as strong if not STRONGER than the Atlantis shield is.

Also it is likely that a fully powered Ancient Warship would contain one or more ZPM(s) in order to power its shields and weapons.

And if 10 Wraith Hives would take a few days(which I will translate to 72 hours for what I'm about to say), then that would give anyway fighting back a few days of regular weapons to take them out. Even Daedalus could blow them away with a few days and enough ammunition.
Lets multiply the amount of Hiveships by 10. Then, inversely proportionally divide the 72 hours by 10. Now you have 100 Hiveships that would be able to destroy the Atlantis shield in 7.2 hours. Multiply it by ANOTHER 10. Now you have 1000 Hive ships firing, taking .72 hours(just under 45 minutes) to destroy Atlantis. Now lets assume that the Ancient Warship is at least close to Atlantis shields if not better.

That would mean that fighting 1000 versus 1 it would have just under 45 minutes to destroy all the Hive ships. And as each one is destroyed it would be buying itself a few minutes of time. Could it do it? I don't really know, but I'm guessing their only weapon isn't drones, they probably have a primary weapon similar to the Ori's and a ton of smaller energy cannons like the Ori's. I say this because they were similar races they are probably similar ships in design.

And even if it couldn't destroy all 1000 ships in this scenario, I bet it would blow a bunch of them away before it had to retreat.

This is why I have my theory that Ancient warships were losing to numbers FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR greater than just a couple Hive Ships at once.

[beale947]

Why is everyone assume Ancient ships are powerful? What proof of that do we have? I severly doubt that wraith ships will be so easy to destroy because they use drones. If it was that easy like everyone is suggesting, then how did any Ancient thing get destroyed. The wraith ships are built to withstand drone attacks probaly, 1v5 sonds right, but much high and its sucide for the ancients.

[Jimbo-DR]

Why is everyone assume Ancient ships are powerful? What proof of that do we have? I severly doubt that wraith ships will be so easy to destroy because they use drones. If it was that easy like everyone is suggesting, then how did any Ancient thing get destroyed. The wraith ships are built to withstand drone attacks probaly, 1v5 sonds right, but much high and its sucide for the ancients.

We assume the Ancient ships are so powerful because they are the most advanced race of anything that we have seen so far on the show, and the Wraith themselves admit they only won because of far greater numbers.

As for what proof do we have... do you even watch Stargate? Everything we find of the Ancients is advanced and powerful without even trying to be, its only fair to assume a Warship designed to be powerful will be very POWERFUL. And also, the Ancients did not LOSE the war. The LANTEANS got fed up with fighting the Wraith and left for the milky way. There is a really big difference.

[2ndgenerationalteran]

i thought it was 8 ships, and the shield was up for a day and a half tops not days. but what would you rather have a great defence to your main population and your race's prized accomplishments, that in turn can defend its self or that on a ship.

but still i dont think simple addition will show how strong a shield is, fire from a thousand ships would most definately break the shield or overload it.

[Jimbo-DR]

It was multiplication, not addition. And it was simply inverse proportions... so yes I do think it would work to show how strong a shield could be. The shield would definitely break from 1000 ships, but my point is that it wouldn't happen INSTANTLY. The shield would break from one ship... it would just take forever.

And Mckay says and I quote: "Days. The ZEDPM will be depleted in Days".

[sparkygate]

To tell you the truth i think that the ancients should had stayed in the pegasus galaxy, for this reason is because they werent attacked by the wraith when they were underwater and that they could have taken time to sort out the problem. Also taking all that time could help them come up with a solution or maybe get the asgards or the nox or maybe the furlings to help out.

Thou i do wish that we agreed to let the ancients create there city back on earth...




PS: Damn those wraith, i wish the ancients were still fighting the wraith, in which i can see how powerful the ancients really are...

[Tassadar]

To tell you the truth i think that the ancients should had stayed in the pegasus galaxy, for this reason is because they werent attacked by the wraith when they were underwater and that they could have taken time to sort out the problem. Also taking all that time could help them come up with a solution or maybe get the asgards or the nox or maybe the furlings to help out.

Thou i do wish that we agreed to let the ancients create there city back on earth...




PS: Damn those wraith, i wish the ancients were still fighting the wraith, in which i can see how powerful the ancients really are...

You know I never got that. So the Wraith, a star faring race with considerably advanced tech, have their plans to destroy Atlantis ruined by a couple hundred feet of water? I mean come on....that makes no sense. If I was the Wraith I'd bombard the heck out of the city to make sure there is nothing left.

[Prior_of_the_Ori]

There is a problem about getting the Lanteans allies to help as we don't even know if they met them yet. There are two possibilities in terms of the ancient alliance; it was made in the MW galaxy before the exodus or it was made upon the Lanteans return. But nothing has been concretely said so as far as the Lanteans were aware of they might have been the only peaceful advanced species. The timeline hasnt been properlly established really to know about this....

[Cycrow]

Why is everyone assume Ancient ships are powerful? What proof of that do we have? I severly doubt that wraith ships will be so easy to destroy because they use drones. If it was that easy like everyone is suggesting, then how did any Ancient thing get destroyed. The wraith ships are built to withstand drone attacks probaly, 1v5 sonds right, but much high and its sucide for the ancients.

we've been given alot of evedence that the ancients are powerful.
we've seen that they have a weapo capable of destroying a wraith hive ship in one shot. and we were told that if it was fully working, it would take out all 3 without a problem.

we've also seen that they are pretty good at making shields, theres no reason to assume the shields on the warships will be no where nr as power as atantlis, especially considering the size difference, Atlantis is much bigger than a warship so would require a bigger shields and more power to run it. A warship could run the same strenght shield using less power.

its also been menthioned that the ancients actaully won most battles with the wraith, they only lost because no matter how many ships they destroyed or how many battles they won, the wraith kept coming, so they give up and traveled back to earth

[GreyFox]

a crapload. if there were only 60 the lantians would'nt have lost the war

[freyr's mother]

a crapload. if there were only 60 the lantians would'nt have lost the war

That's not what anyone's talking about. Were talking about how many hiveships there were previous to the ancients exodus out of pegasus. We know as of Season 1 that there were at least 60 in pegasus. This would mean that there were far more hiveships at the beginning of the hundred years war with the wraith.