Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[Scary Kitty]

so i know im off topic but how do you think John Felt at the end of the enemy at the gate knowing that he left elizabeth behind in pegasus while he's back home?

Angry and depressed that she couldn't be there to share in the moment of being on Atlantis, back on Earth.

Guilty and devastated I think. How could anyone live with a thought that you left your best friend, leader and person you love behind, frozen in space, when she could have lived and go home with everyone else?!

Word!

I agree...

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That's one of the reasons I think he'll be one of the main supporters of getting Atlantis back to Pegasus in the movie.

Oh, definitely. She's still out there, and there's always a chance that Rodney can figure out a way to bring her back without putting Atlantis in danger.

But they won't be getting Elizabeth back, just because mister JM thinks it's a story not worthy of telling. Fail, fail, fail.

Shakespeare said it best: 'What fools these mortals be.'

No, of course not, but I'm just saying that if JF needs motivation for his character to want to go back to Pegasus... that would be it...

Heh. Given what else JF has said over the course of this whole fiasco, it would not surprise me one damn bit if he played Sheppard that way... especially if it's not in the script!

[Falcon Horus]

EATG should still be spoilered... just saying.

[Southern Red]

Angry and depressed that she couldn't be there to share in the moment of being on Atlantis, back on Earth.



Word!



Oh, definitely. She's still out there, and there's always a chance that Rodney can figure out a way to bring her back without putting Atlantis in danger.



Shakespeare said it best: 'What fools these mortals be.'



Heh. Given what else JF has said over the course of this whole fiasco, it would not surprise me one damn bit if he played Sheppard that way... especially if it's not in the script! :weir40:

Amen sister. Someone should ask him about that at the next con. Isn't he doing one in the UK soon? Ask him if he thinks they should go get her. Heh.

[justhere1971]

Amen sister. Someone should ask him about that at the next con. Isn't he doing one in the UK soon? Ask him if he thinks they should go get her. Heh.

Oh now would that not be awesome? Isn't Torri12 going to that con? We should ask her! ^_^

[Reiko]

SYMBOLISM.

Spoiler:

Hopefully not just ours, but thier's too, though I doubt they even know what it is. It seems theres a possibility of lots of symbolism in 'Vegas' judging by the convo. Must see this, so I can practice being all literary-geeky and stuff.

You've got it in one. That's exactly why they got rid of her; they (well, except for Carl Binder) can't write a woman who doesn't fall into the stereotypical roles of 'warrior babe,' 'wench of the week,' 'nerd girl' or 'damsel in distress.' They can't write an intelligent woman who can take care of herself by using words as her weapon, isn't a sexed-up tart, and uses her brain for philosophical pursuits rather than cold and dry science.

I love Binder!Lizzie and Binder!Teyla. I hate it when Lizzie is reduced to 'worrying mommy' and Teyla to warrior babe in the background, which Binder doesn't do.

On a related note, this is why I think TPTB decided to get rid of Lizzie and replace her with Carter. (And put mummy Teyla in the background and shove in a flaky Keller in her place, but that's a different subject.) They can't write women for the most part. Carter, to be honest, is more of a traditionally masculine character than Elizabeth, if you get what I'm saying. And you can do whatever you'd like with Keller.

Lazy lazy lazy.

[justhere1971]

SYMBOLISM.

Spoiler:

Hopefully not just ours, but thier's too, though I doubt they even know what it is. It seems theres a possibility of lots of symbolism in 'Vegas' judging by the convo. Must see this, so I can practice being all literary-geeky and stuff.

I love Binder!Lizzie and Binder!Teyla. I hate it when Lizzie is reduced to 'worrying mommy' and Teyla to warrior babe in the background, which Binder doesn't do.

On a related note, this is why I think TPTB decided to get rid of Lizzie and replace her with Carter. (And put mummy Teyla in the background and shove in a flaky Keller in her place, but that's a different subject.) They can't write women for the most part. Carter, to be honest, is more of a traditionally masculine character than Elizabeth, if you get what I'm saying. And you can do whatever you'd like with Keller.

Lazy lazy lazy.

You shall come over to the Vegas side dear. It's a wonderful epi, meaningful & from the looks around here has sparked pages upon pages of convo. Can't be all bad right?

As for Carter ... I loved Carter in SG1. Even with her masculine mannerisms she fit her character well. She was enjoyable most of the time. On Atlantis she delivered Elizabeth's lines w/o her panache.

[Anuna]

About symbolism.

I just finished the Vegas fic and I'm waiting for the green light from my beta - I keep making parallels between Vegas!John and Al Pacino's character in The Godfather, Michael Corleone. First, I find they have the same unfortunate flaw (which does result in very different behavior); but then there were also (folks who saw Godfather will get it better I think)

Spoiler:

that casino conversation in the ep, which I loved; and when the Wraith was shooting at John and made swiss cheese out of his car it reminded me of the killing of Santino Corleone (first movie) a bit too much.

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[Southern Red]

SYMBOLISM.

Spoiler:

Hopefully not just ours, but thier's too, though I doubt they even know what it is. It seems theres a possibility of lots of symbolism in 'Vegas' judging by the convo. Must see this, so I can practice being all literary-geeky and stuff.

I love Binder!Lizzie and Binder!Teyla. I hate it when Lizzie is reduced to 'worrying mommy' and Teyla to warrior babe in the background, which Binder doesn't do.

On a related note, this is why I think TPTB decided to get rid of Lizzie and replace her with Carter. (And put mummy Teyla in the background and shove in a flaky Keller in her place, but that's a different subject.) They can't write women for the most part. Carter, to be honest, is more of a traditionally masculine character than Elizabeth, if you get what I'm saying. And you can do whatever you'd like with Keller.

Lazy lazy lazy.

Symbolism in Vegas.

Spoiler:

You may have hit on part of why I'm so into this one. It brought back the old English major days when I could write 10 pages on the symbolism behind the color green or do an indepth study of a character's relationship to his mother reflected in his treatment of his goldfish. Just joking but not far off. The cross was like a hammer to the back of the head...a redemption anvil if you will. All they needed to do was have him die with his arms outstretched. You could even say when he stretched out his arms and got patted down sorry, lost my train of thought for a moment by the guy before he was allowed into the poker game, that it had a bit of a sacrificial lamb vibe. If you really wanted to torture the symbolism. LOL

[Lythisrose]

Symbolism in Vegas.

Spoiler:

You may have hit on part of why I'm so into this one. It brought back the old English major days when I could write 10 pages on the symbolism behind the color green or do an indepth study of a character's relationship to his mother reflected in his treatment of his goldfish. Just joking but not far off. The cross was like a hammer to the back of the head...a redemption anvil if you will. All they needed to do was have him die with his arms outstretched. You could even say when he stretched out his arms and got patted down sorry, lost my train of thought for a moment by the guy before he was allowed into the poker game, that it had a bit of a sacrificial lamb vibe. If you really wanted to torture the symbolism. LOL

I love symbolism torture! (I just never did it very well in class ) So I get a kick out of reading people's interpretations. (is Shep symbolism torture a form of Shep Whump?)

[Anuna]

Symbolism in Vegas.

Spoiler:

You may have hit on part of why I'm so into this one. It brought back the old English major days when I could write 10 pages on the symbolism behind the color green or do an indepth study of a character's relationship to his mother reflected in his treatment of his goldfish. Just joking but not far off. The cross was like a hammer to the back of the head...a redemption anvil if you will. All they needed to do was have him die with his arms outstretched. You could even say when he stretched out his arms and got patted down sorry, lost my train of thought for a moment by the guy before he was allowed into the poker game, that it had a bit of a sacrificial lamb vibe. If you really wanted to torture the symbolism. LOL

Ooooh, I like that.

There's more.

Spoiler:

He wore the cross and he had a new, clean shirt, which was white. If I'm not mistaken white is the color of purity, he was sacrificing himself in order to save everyone so we could assume his soul was purified? I used to be good at this too.

For more torture symbolism, try Remnants. Not only the ep was about leftovers of a civilization, we could see that this John is actually leftovers of what he used to be. At least that's how I saw the whole ep.... John's part was the only one worth watching anyway.

I love symbolism torture! (I just never did it very well in class ) So I get a kick out of reading people's interpretations. (is Shep symbolism torture a form of Shep Whump?)

I think it might be called that. You a whumper?

[Lythisrose]

I think it might be called that. You a whumper?

I like Shep so much I think I'm a Shep Whump/Thunk/Ship/Slasher!
Since we're on this thread, I definitely see the chemistry John and Elizabeth have together.
And I missed her presence on the show.

[justhere1971]

Looks @ Anuna. You finished the fic?????????????????????????

[Eri13]

I am crossing the chasm of our 'ships to drop this off. A Ghost in the Machine episode tag. Hope you like it

Title: Ghost in the Mind
Summary: Three times he’s had to say goodbye to her. He’s not sure he can do it again.
Characters: John, Teyla & Weir/FRAN
Pairing: Sheppard-Weir, Sheppard-Teyla friendship
Rating: PG
Spoilers: Season 5, Ghost in the Machine

http://azure-horizon.livejournal.com/76504.html

Thank you! Even though I can't see it here (LJ is blocked on my computer) I'll try and get around to it when I'm at home.

[Anuna]

I like Shep so much I think I'm a Shep Whump/Thunk/Ship/Slasher!
Since we're on this thread, I definitely see the chemistry John and Elizabeth have together.
And I missed her presence on the show.

Ah that's cool - every John friendly place is good for you, you can have lots of fun. I'm a shameless OTP er. You have to know that about me (well few others here too). Our discussions are very heartfelt most of the time, we love our ship. And we most certainly love John.

[Anuna]

Looks @ Anuna. You finished the fic?????????????????????????

Yes I did. SK has it. I'm totally uncertain about it, the characterization and how I pulled it off. The ep itself is too good, I don't know if I could ever do it justice.