Elizabeth Weir/John Sheppard Appreciation/Ship/Discussion Thread

[gateraid]

I like to think that John is classy enough to actually pull this line off:



John: I swear Elizabeth, I can make you once, twice, three times a "lady"

Elizabeth: That is both the best and the lamest pick-up line I've ever heard


And just because I can't let go of s4 (even though I think they redeemed her in s5)



^ proof, once and for all, that Keller was on the original expedition

Rodney: She said I did it perfectly

Elizabeth: Umm, Rodney, that's not how it works. I'm not even a real doctor and I still wouldn't make such an obvious error

[Southern Red]

Thanks, SW!!!

Since we got to talking about missing discussions from TLG and TRW this little ficlet for TRW kept screaming at me to write it. I'm not sure about it though. I think I may have took the ending a little too far.

Spoiler:

Sparky heart-to-heart

Lieutenant Colonel John Sheppard sat in his room working on a Sudoku book because he couldn’t sleep. While Dr. Elizabeth Weir had been cleared by Dr. Carson Beckett, he was still worried about her. The few hours she had fought with the nanites for control of her own body had seemed like centuries to John.

If he was being honest with himself, John knew exactly why he was so worried about Elizabeth. He was just not ready to admit how madly in love he was with Elizabeth to himself or to her. Yet. Thankfully his door chimed to distract him from his musings.

As if summoned by his thoughts, Elizabeth now stood in his doorway looking a little unsure of herself.

“Do you have a moment, John,” asked Elizabeth.

“For you,” answered John. “Always. Please come in.”

“John, I can’t go through that again,” began Elizabeth. She had decided to just come out and say it. She’d deal with John’s response after. “I will not become a threat to the city or you. If the nanites become active again and Carson or Rodney can’t shut them off, I want you to end my life.”

“Elizabeth,” began John before she cut him off again.

“John, I know how much you care for me,” said Elizabeth trying to quell the protest she saw forming on his lips. “Believe me the feeling is mutual. But you have no idea what the nanites put me through. For awhile I thought I was back on Earth negotiating treaties. Some how you kept showing up as this shadowy figure. Right at the end, you came in crystal clear and I knew what I had to do to get back here. I have no idea what could happen if I loose to them. You can’t let that happen. Please promise me.”

“If I have to,” began John reluctantly. “You have me word, Elizabeth. If your nanites cause you to become a threat to the city, I’ll end your life before you can bring any harm to us. I have one condition, however. Since we both know how much we care for each other now, I want to see if we can make things work between us. IOA be damned.”

“Well,” said Elizabeth before kissing John tenderly on the cheek. “Can you settle for just that until I check with Carson if there is anyway I might spread my nanites to anyone else?”

“I’ll take it as a promise on many wonderful things to come,” said John as he escorted Elizabeth to his door.

We knew that conversation had to have taken place.

You still got it, gateraid, don't ever change. Actually, I feel the opposite about Keller. While I never really disliked her, I liked her better in S4 in the early episodes. Trio just killed her for me. Her character seemed to get more silly by the minute there, but I liked how she dealt with Elizabeth's injury and especially how she related to John in S4. Putting her with McKay was just such a bad decision, I can't imagine why they thought the fans would like it. I always felt sorry for Jewel.

[gateraid]

Weir: You're asking me out on a date?

Kavanaugh: Sure am! My momma always said that if you don't have enough talent to go up, try going down, it might get you there quicker

Weir: *taps headset* Weir to Sheppard....Lt Ford....anyone with a gun





Sheppard: Still longing for his touch?

Weir: John *stern look*

Sheppard: I'd like to point out that even though you were drugged to the hilt, you were still defending me. That won't be forgotten later





Keller: How many times can you make me a lady Rodney?

McKay: Aren't you already a lady?




Keller: Geez, it's like dating an infant. I'll just do it myself





When Teyla is injured, John tells Ronon to carry her. But when Elizabeth goes down, only the best will do

[gateraid]

We knew that conversation had to have taken place.

I think realistically those conversations had to have taken place. But what were TPTW trying to tell us about the John/Elizabeth bond that they either did take place (but we didn't see), or that John knew Elizabeth well enough to be able to make that kind of decision with her 'blessing'?

You still got it, gateraid, don't ever change. Actually, I feel the opposite about Keller. While I never really disliked her, I liked her better in S4 in the early episodes. Trio just killed her for me. Her character seemed to get more silly by the minute there, but I liked how she dealt with Elizabeth's injury and especially how she related to John in S4. Putting her with McKay was just such a bad decision, I can't imagine why they thought the fans would like it. I always felt sorry for Jewel.

I've learnt through fanfic that my biggest dislike of Keller (after s5) is actually her voice. It's silly, because it can't be changed, and it's an unfair criticism of the actress (whom I think played the part as-written). She was written professionally during Adrift, but Missing and Trio just killed her for me. Too much screentime for a newbie. Especially considering Carson's breakout ep was Poisoning The Well - her's was....Missing. Frankly I think it's a little sexist that some of the stuff they did with Keller would never have been considered with Carson.

[gateraid]

And the cheese continues....



Sheppard: Okay, four. For you, I can do four




Weir: Stop it Maverick. Your ego's writing cheques your body can't cash

[gateraid]

Sheppard: Five

Weir: Now you're just making it up




Carson: Strictly speaking, it can't be done. What were you thinking lad? Underpromise and overdeliver, not the other way around. But given the circumstances, I guess I could give you something to aide the process




Sheppard: Oh, geez, what inappropriate timing




Caldwell: It was amazing. The man lives up to the legend. I even got to see the 'Sheppard Maneuver'




Barrett: The rumour is FIVE TIMES, General

Landry: That's it, I'm recalling the Expedition


Edit: Upon looking at that (although it should be obvious) I feel compelled to point out that Caldwell was talking about Shep/Weir, not Shep/Caldwell. Perhaps I should have put another pic in the middle

[ShWeir]

You know I leave for one hour...

gateraid

[ShipperWriter]

gateraid? You rock. I'm actually laughing so hard I'm crying right now! ROFL

The last one was the perfect icing on the cake.

[ShipperWriter]

Thanks, SW!!!

Since we got to talking about missing discussions from TLG and TRW this little ficlet for TRW kept screaming at me to write it. I'm not sure about it though. I think I may have took the ending a little too far.

Spoiler:

Sparky heart-to-heart

Lieutenant Colonel John Sheppard sat in his room working on a Sudoku book because he couldn’t sleep. While Dr. Elizabeth Weir had been cleared by Dr. Carson Beckett, he was still worried about her. The few hours she had fought with the nanites for control of her own body had seemed like centuries to John.

If he was being honest with himself, John knew exactly why he was so worried about Elizabeth. He was just not ready to admit how madly in love he was with Elizabeth to himself or to her. Yet. Thankfully his door chimed to distract him from his musings.

As if summoned by his thoughts, Elizabeth now stood in his doorway looking a little unsure of herself.

“Do you have a moment, John,” asked Elizabeth.

“For you,” answered John. “Always. Please come in.”

“John, I can’t go through that again,” began Elizabeth. She had decided to just come out and say it. She’d deal with John’s response after. “I will not become a threat to the city or you. If the nanites become active again and Carson or Rodney can’t shut them off, I want you to end my life.”

“Elizabeth,” began John before she cut him off again.

“John, I know how much you care for me,” said Elizabeth trying to quell the protest she saw forming on his lips. “Believe me the feeling is mutual. But you have no idea what the nanites put me through. For awhile I thought I was back on Earth negotiating treaties. Some how you kept showing up as this shadowy figure. Right at the end, you came in crystal clear and I knew what I had to do to get back here. I have no idea what could happen if I loose to them. You can’t let that happen. Please promise me.”

“If I have to,” began John reluctantly. “You have me word, Elizabeth. If your nanites cause you to become a threat to the city, I’ll end your life before you can bring any harm to us. I have one condition, however. Since we both know how much we care for each other now, I want to see if we can make things work between us. IOA be damned.”

“Well,” said Elizabeth before kissing John tenderly on the cheek. “Can you settle for just that until I check with Carson if there is anyway I might spread my nanites to anyone else?”

“I’ll take it as a promise on many wonderful things to come,” said John as he escorted Elizabeth to his door.

Loved it! My favorite line? "IOA be damned."

*does fist pump*

[ShipperWriter]

Edit: Upon looking at that (although it should be obvious) I feel compelled to point out that Caldwell was talking about Shep/Weir, not Shep/Caldwell. Perhaps I should have put another pic in the middle

Yeah, cause we all know that Caldwell sekritly haz a cwush on Shep.

[Southern Red]

I think realistically those conversations had to have taken place. But what were TPTW trying to tell us about the John/Elizabeth bond that they either did take place (but we didn't see), or that John knew Elizabeth well enough to be able to make that kind of decision with her 'blessing'?



I've learnt through fanfic that my biggest dislike of Keller (after s5) is actually her voice. It's silly, because it can't be changed, and it's an unfair criticism of the actress (whom I think played the part as-written). She was written professionally during Adrift, but Missing and Trio just killed her for me. Too much screentime for a newbie. Especially considering Carson's breakout ep was Poisoning The Well - her's was....Missing. Frankly I think it's a little sexist that some of the stuff they did with Keller would never have been considered with Carson.

OMG, you are killing me here. To be fair though, John did fold up his jacket and put it under Teyla's head before he ran off and left her with Ronon.

Now, to get serious. On Keller, I really think it was the youth issue. They wrote her like a college coed at times and then tried to make us accept her as CMO. Not gonna work.

What were TPTB trying to tell us about the Sparky bond? Zip, zilch, nada. To them, there was no bond. They barely knew each other. Elizabeth was General Hammond, remember. John hardly saw her as a woman. I wonder how they would explain all the things we saw as ship. The balcony? Well, he was out there sometimes with Carter and Woolsey, so just two leaders having a talk away from the underlings. The desk sitting? Well, John is sometimes very casual. He leans, he sits sideways in his chair, he sits on desks. Perfectly innocent. We already were told "A hug is just a hug", so we got that. And the kiss wasn't them, so nobody should see that as shippy. Carrying her in his arms? Faster than calling for help. Besides, everybody was busy and we all know John wanted to hurry down to the infirmary to see how Teyla was anyway. Why can't you people see all this?

Let's face it. They just didn't think like we do.

There's no telling what they left out for fear of ship misinterpretation. Like them having a talk about prolonging life or him apologizing to her for choking her. We already know they would never have had any sort of reaction from him from S4 onward if it hadn't been for Joe. We're lucky we got as much as we did.

[Raelis]

Frankly I think it's a little sexist that some of the stuff they did with Keller would never have been considered with Carson.

To be fair to TPTB, they did plenty of the same stuff with Rodney, who, last I checked, was a man. So I don't think it was an issue of sexism in this particular case.

[gateraid]

OMG, you are killing me here. To be fair though, John did fold up his jacket and put it under Teyla's head before he ran off and left her with Ronon.

Now, to get serious. On Keller, I really think it was the youth issue. They wrote her like a college coed at times and then tried to make us accept her as CMO. Not gonna work.

I watched Duet the other day, which I think may have only been the second time ever (it wasn't an ep I enjoyed per se, I found it to be the beginning of the Rodney focus, although it has some outstanding moments for other characters). Whilst I think Kate was shoehorned into that episode needlessly (there are other eps I would have put her in ahead of that one), she was written/portrayed as completely professional and completely competent, just like any other ep she was in. Contrast that with Keller - there was a whole thing about her being out of her depth that just didn't fit for someone of her position. It would have been totally understandable if she had voiced that, yet put on 'the face' during medical situations, but for some reason the writers didn't go down that path. It didn't help that on the rare occasions that Carson was there he just steamrolled over her.

What were TPTB trying to tell us about the Sparky bond? Zip, zilch, nada. To them, there was no bond. They barely knew each other. Elizabeth was General Hammond, remember. John hardly saw her as a woman. I wonder how they would explain all the things we saw as ship. The balcony? Well, he was out there sometimes with Carter and Woolsey, so just two leaders having a talk away from the underlings. The desk sitting? Well, John is sometimes very casual. He leans, he sits sideways in his chair, he sits on desks. Perfectly innocent. We already were told "A hug is just a hug", so we got that. And the kiss wasn't them, so nobody should see that as shippy. Carrying her in his arms? Faster than calling for help. Besides, everybody was busy and we all know John wanted to hurry down to the infirmary to see how Teyla was anyway. Why can't you people see all this?

Let's face it. They just didn't think like we do.

There's no telling what they left out for fear of ship misinterpretation. Like them having a talk about prolonging life or him apologizing to her for choking her. We already know they would never have had any sort of reaction from him from S4 onward if it hadn't been for Joe. We're lucky we got as much as we did.

I was looking at one of your vids earlier, and it struck me as to how lucky we were with the body language. I think a lot of the closeness can be handwaved away with blocking and body height, but there are scenes where they're standing further apart yet the actors have deliberately mirrored each other.



^ not the best illustration, but the clip you used of it in your vid amused me - she kind of copies him, without being 'manly'



^ It really tickles me that in this scene, she adopts the Sheppard position



^ this isn't a good cap of it, but again, it's a very 'Sheppard' pose

[gateraid]

To be fair to TPTB, they did plenty of the same stuff with Rodney, who, last I checked, was a man. So I don't think it was an issue of sexism in this particular case.

Oh yes, they did the same sort of over-emphasis on Rodney's character moments in s4/5 that they did with Keller, at the expense of other characters, but the type of thing I was referring to was: there was a scene with an injured Bola Kai coming through the gate and Keller freaked out. Carson practically pushes her out of the way and takes over. There's no way they'd write that the other way around.

[Southern Red]

Oh yes, they did the same sort of over-emphasis on Rodney's character moments in s4/5 that they did with Keller, at the expense of other characters, but the type of thing I was referring to was: there was a scene with an injured Bola Kai coming through the gate and Keller freaked out. Carson practically pushes her out of the way and takes over. There's no way they'd write that the other way around.

Great minds! Hello! I thought of this very scene when I read your last post. Carson had barely gotten back and he just took over and she let him. And everybody else just went along. They were probably glad he was back. I thought she was a good doc but again, even if she was young, they could have had her be a bit more mature. I didn't mind it so much but a lot of posters hated it in S&R when she talked to John about playing with his insides. And they said Elizabeth didn't have a good bedside manner. Sheesh.

I thought Keller and John had a good rapport, so that remark didn't bother me. I loved the scene when they put Carson in stasis and John had a quiet talk with Keller and told her to get some rest. It was sweet, and shipping them would have made a lot more sense than shipping her with McKay. *dodges rotten veggies* Not that I would have gone there.

But then, as TPTB were known to do, they went on to overuse her to the extreme in S5 and turn off just about everybody while telling us how we were going to love her. Didn't they know by then that we didn't like to be told what to think?