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Thanks drewandian, that's very kind of you, at the moment here: FF.net you can find only a complete fic A/T and one which was meant to be the sequel but I never found the courage to finish it.
Now I'm so *taken* by ShepWeir that I feel like a vulcan of ideas for new fics about these two
I'd like to start with a short one, maybe during the weekend I'll find the time to write the storyMy Stargate/Star Trek Music Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/nephtys1959
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Originally posted by Eri13 View PostYep, that's about the reaction of my other UT friends.
The only thing I'd say about the vices argument is that as a military guy (and a commander), Shep would hold himself to a slightly stricter standard than most. On top of that, I could also see him thinking of what Elizabeth would think of him if he let himself slip into vices of that nature--of how disappointed she'd be in him, because she relied on him to treat Atlantis and its people as she did, that the expedition comes first and personal issues come second. I don't think he'd ever be able to live with himself if he felt he'd purposely failed her, even if the cause was rooted in losing her.
So for his 'vice' I could see him as SR described him in her fic, which is an innocuous way of letting go for a while. We have proof of that with some of the flirting moments we get with characters like Larrin. I can also see him as a guy who throws himself with abandon into doing his job. It's been mentioned before that he no longer goofs around with paperwork and such like he did when Elizabeth was 'the boss'. Plus, we see him do absolutely crazy things to protect his friends, people, and Atlantis (scaling Atlantis Tower, fighting with Michael on the top of it, jumping into Rodney's head, etc).
What distinguishes Vegas!John from our John is that our John has not given into the vices Vegas!John did, because he has a sense of purpose that Vegas!John did not. Both are suffering the effects of loss, and if our John had not had Atlantis to worry about, I could see him becoming Vegas!John. But he does have that responsibility, and purpose, and I think a conscience in what Elizabeth would have wanted of him. He still owes her his life, after all. In a way I think he won't let that gift she gave him--a second chance--go to waste easily. It's gotta be worth something.
My ears are burning right now with the obscenities flying around the Kiffin news, since our production team just got into the office. I'm going to snoop and see what else they're saying. *cheeky*
And yay on the snooping. Tidbits welcome.
Now, John's vices. It's true that John seemed to goof around less under Woolsey. I'm not so sure about Sam. We didn't get to see much of that but at times like in S&R he did seem to run over her a bit. Which brings me to the idea that I've seen come up here and there that John just ignored Elizabeth's authority, didn't respect her and did whatever he wanted because she had a crush on him and he knew he could get away with murder. Does anyone remember any clear evidence of that? Hot Zone? Wasn't he just as concerned about her as she was him? And didn't they both have valid points in their argument? Doesn't it all come down to the military situation/civilian situation there? What about in Return I when he gave everybody above average evaluations and she scolded him? Didn't it look like he was trying to please her with being on time with the paperwork? And didn't he look ridiculously happy when she praised him at first? So how could it be said that he didn't respect her? Frankly that whole argument baffles me. Is there clear evidence that he always got his way?
And I think being more efficient under Woolsey happened because he had so many ridiculous rules and was so OCD about everything. I always felt like Elizabeth's rather loose style of leadership was because she respected everyone there for being the best in their field and didn't feel the need to look over every shoulder. It didn't just apply to John. In fact she was harder on him at times because he was a loose cannon.
Originally posted by Probie View PostSR: Excellent fic. It's so sad but I love ansgt story.
Lane Kiffin? It's about football no?
nephty: I would like to see your stories. I can't help you or correct your english because I'm a stranger here.lol
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Originally posted by nephtys59 View PostThanks Probie
As to favourite fics, has anyone here read Keladry's fics on Command Dynamics?
Even if they're both smut, my favourites are "The Silent Truth" and "One Way Street"!
Originally posted by Southern Red View Post
Football, yes and you're better off not knowing. *pets pkprd*
Originally posted by Lt.Colonel John Sheppard View Posti must have missed a page cause im confused what are you guys talking about.sigpic
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Originally posted by Probie View PostDon't know them. Need to read those stories even if the green of Command Dynamics hurts my little eyes.lol Annoying girl? Yes it's me.
After searching on the net, Lane Kiffin leaves Tennessee for Southern California. Students have many violent reactions. It seems to be a big problem for Football universe. I'm trying to understand but your world is a mistery for me.lol
I read all pages and I'm confused.lol
Don't try to understand the football world. It's a mystery even to those of us who have lived in it all their lives.
Originally posted by Lt.Colonel John Sheppard View Posti must have missed a page cause im confused what are you guys talking about.
And I asked if anyone thinks John did not respect Elizabeth or that he was able to get away with anything because she liked him too much.
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Originally posted by Southern Red View PostWhich brings me to the idea that I've seen come up here and there that John just ignored Elizabeth's authority, didn't respect her and did whatever he wanted because she had a crush on him and he knew he could get away with murder. Does anyone remember any clear evidence of that?
In any case I *NEVER* thought John didn't respect Elizabeth.
There were times when they disagreed and times when John was so stubborn and reckless he just didn't want to listen to the voice of reason. And times when John was right and Elizabeth was wrong (she wasn't perfect and I liked it, I hate *perfect* people).
I remember their first argue during "Rising" ... she says: "I see your point. Now you see mine." To me, that says it all.
I like those kind of conflicts, if they lead to *learn* and *build* a better relationship, friendship or love or else it doesn't matter.
There's a moment at the end of season 3 which, to me, represents how much John cares about Elizabeth's opinion. She's not happy with the *first strike* agains the Asurans - transcript:
SHEPPARD: Look, I know you think we’re doing the wrong thing here, but, uh ...
WEIR: John ... (She stops and turns to face him. They look at each other for a long moment.) Good luck.
(She turns and walks into her office. John turns away, uncomfortable at going ahead with a mission which his expedition leader and friend does not approve of.)
He's uncomfortable. He values Elizabeth's opinion so much that he feels bad going on a mission she doesn't approve. He *respects* her and he started doing that long before that episode.My Stargate/Star Trek Music Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/nephtys1959
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He was a Loose Cannon but with time i think Elizabeth was able to Tame him and when she got left behind he start to take more risks (I.E. Hand to Hand with his Doppelganger, The whole tower climbing in Quarantine, The Fight Between Michael and John in The Prodigal (Which btw was my favorite John/Michael Scene cause we finally got to see John Go Hand to Hand with Him and that scene kicked a$$)
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Originally posted by Probie View PostDon't know them. Need to read those stories even if the green of Command Dynamics hurts my little eyes.lol Annoying girl? Yes it's me.My Stargate/Star Trek Music Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/nephtys1959
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Good morning, Sparkies! Happy Screw the Angst Wednesday! Hahahah!
First, to get the OT stuff out of the way...
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostOh dear. Oh dear. I was just emailing my son about Kiffin and he asked what did my online friends think. Oh dear. It should get interesting when SK wakes up. But a bit of OT good news. They had massive lay offs at my son's company this week and he survived. WOOT!
*snickers* Interesting is right! Tennessee students burning mattresses? Sheesh. Looks like the rumors of Norm Chow jumping ship from UCLA to return to USC may have been premature (bummer!). The splash page of the USC Athletics website has a nice big banner welcoming Lane back, with a link to watch his press conference at 4pm (Pacific Time).
Originally posted by Tanie View PostHey everyone!! I know I've been MIA for a while, but life's a b****h. Loving all your wonderful Sparky pics and fics!!! I'll hopefully be able to spend some quality time with you all come the weekend.
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostI can see John becoming a micro-manager and driving Lorne and the Marines crazy. He goes beyond the usual measures to keep everybody safe, increases the training until they feel like they're in the Roman Legion, and questioning every risky decision everyone makes on missions. Ronon and Teyla are exasperated with him. Rodney tries to talk to him but he snaps at all of them. Finally they all go to Woolsey and demand that he do something. Then what happens?
Originally posted by Eri13 View PostThe only thing I'd say about the vices argument is that as a military guy (and a commander), Shep would hold himself to a slightly stricter standard than most. On top of that, I could also see him thinking of what Elizabeth would think of him if he let himself slip into vices of that nature--of how disappointed she'd be in him, because she relied on him to treat Atlantis and its people as she did, that the expedition comes first and personal issues come second. I don't think he'd ever be able to live with himself if he felt he'd purposely failed her, even if the cause was rooted in losing her.
So for his 'vice' I could see him as SR described him in her fic, which is an innocuous way of letting go for a while. We have proof of that with some of the flirting moments we get with characters like Larrin. I can also see him as a guy who throws himself with abandon into doing his job. It's been mentioned before that he no longer goofs around with paperwork and such like he did when Elizabeth was 'the boss'. Plus, we see him do absolutely crazy things to protect his friends, people, and Atlantis (scaling Atlantis Tower, fighting with Michael on the top of it, jumping into Rodney's head, etc).
What distinguishes Vegas!John from our John is that our John has not given into the vices Vegas!John did, because he has a sense of purpose that Vegas!John did not. Both are suffering the effects of loss, and if our John had not had Atlantis to worry about, I could see him becoming Vegas!John. But he does have that responsibility, and purpose, and I think a conscience in what Elizabeth would have wanted of him. He still owes her his life, after all. In a way I think he won't let that gift she gave him--a second chance--go to waste easily. It's gotta be worth something.
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostNow, John's vices. It's true that John seemed to goof around less under Woolsey. I'm not so sure about Sam. We didn't get to see much of that but at times like in S&R he did seem to run over her a bit. Which brings me to the idea that I've seen come up here and there that John just ignored Elizabeth's authority, didn't respect her and did whatever he wanted because she had a crush on him and he knew he could get away with murder. Does anyone remember any clear evidence of that? Hot Zone? Wasn't he just as concerned about her as she was him? And didn't they both have valid points in their argument? Doesn't it all come down to the military situation/civilian situation there? What about in Return I when he gave everybody above average evaluations and she scolded him? Didn't it look like he was trying to please her with being on time with the paperwork? And didn't he look ridiculously happy when she praised him at first? So how could it be said that he didn't respect her? Frankly that whole argument baffles me. Is there clear evidence that he always got his way?
And I think being more efficient under Woolsey happened because he had so many ridiculous rules and was so OCD about everything. I always felt like Elizabeth's rather loose style of leadership was because she respected everyone there for being the best in their field and didn't feel the need to look over every shoulder. It didn't just apply to John. In fact she was harder on him at times because he was a loose cannon.(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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i found this http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Star_gate
Spoiler:[Dr. Elizabeth Weir, temporarily led the SGC. Moved to Antarctica with her new boyfriend, John Sheppard. Has since moved with John to the lost city of Atlantis, and still made the occasional trip back to the SGC before becoming a Replicator.
thought you guys might like it.
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Originally posted by Lt.Colonel John Sheppard View PostJohn Respected Elizabeth But the only thing that kinda got me was that whole " i have more respect for you than any other commanding officer i ever had" line John said to Carter in "Search and Rescue" So Does that mean He Respected her more than Elizabeth?
I think he says it because Carter is military.
Elizabeth was a civilian. So that line to me doesn't mean that he respected Carter more than Elizabeth. IMHO, it means that he respects Carter more than any other military officer in Stargate Command.My Stargate/Star Trek Music Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/nephtys1959
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Originally posted by Lt.Colonel John Sheppard View Posti found this http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Star_gate
Spoiler:[Dr. Elizabeth Weir, temporarily led the SGC. Moved to Antarctica with her new boyfriend, John Sheppard. Has since moved with John to the lost city of Atlantis, and still made the occasional trip back to the SGC before becoming a Replicator.
thought you guys might like it.sigpic
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