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Originally posted by Scary Kitty View PostGot a fic rec for you!
Give Me Hope, by fex_84. John won't give up on finding Elizabeth. And he won't give up once he's found her, either. Angsty with a happy ending.
Happy Sparky reading!
Originally posted by Irish Eyes View PostHeck yes, they did! And the rumor was that the end scene was added later to take advantage of the Sparky chemistry. Pardon me while I at the writers who later denied writing Sparky...
*waves to the Sparky lovers*
Originally posted by Anuna View PostAre we talking about the guys who said (well at least one of them) they don't tend to watch how the final product came out? O_o
*goes to read kris!fic*
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Originally posted by Reiko View PostEh, I'll continue your thought-thread and makes it Sparky-connected.
I don't think, after they knew each other, when having personal conversations they ever called each other anything but by their first names. In a meeting they can call each other "Col. Sheppard" and "Dr. Weir", but on a more casual basis they don't. Sometimes they'll use last names when communicating with other authourity when referring to each other, but I think under most circumstances, they're John and Elizabeth. If that makes sense because the thought was jumbled. (:
But I could perfectly see why they would refer to each other differently in different situations, but within those situations, it's (almost?) always consistant.
As for a breakdown what others consistantly call each other most of the time, with an occaisional writer flub:
- John calls Rodney 'Rodney'; 'McKay' when formal (or when he's angry sometimes)
- John's nickname for Ronon is 'Chewie'.
- John calls Carson 'Doc' (which is effing cute) in casual conversation.
- Elizabeth calls Rodney 'Rodney'; 'Dr McKay' sometimes in more formal/introductory situations
- Elizabeth calls Carson 'Carson'; 'Dr Beckett' sometimes when formal
- Rodney calls John 'Sheppard'
- Rodney calls Elizabeth 'Elizabeth'
- Rodney calls Carson 'Carson'
- Teyla calls John 'Colonel' half the time and 'John' the other half. Quite sporadic if you ask me.
- Teyla calls Elizabeth 'Dr Weir'; she becomes 'Elizabeth' more often in the later seasons
- Teyla calls Rodney 'Rodney'
- Teyla calls Carson 'Carson'
- Ronon calls John 'Sheppard'
- Ronon calls Elizabeth 'Dr Weir'
- Ronon calls Rodney 'McKay'
- Ronon calls Carson (??) I'm actually drawing a blank on this one.
- Carson calls Elizabeth 'Elizabeth'
- Carson calls John 'Colonel/Major'
- Carson calls Rodney 'Rodney'
- Carson calls Ronon 'Ronon'
- Carson calls Teyla 'Teyla' plus 'love' if you will
- Everyone calls Ronon 'Ronon'.
- Everyone calls Teyla 'Teyla'.
For John and Elizabeth, she calls him "John" first in Rising. He calls her "Elizabeth" first in Hot Zone. I DO think that's really significant.
For Rodney and Elizabeth, they both refer to each other on a first name basis in Rising.
John calls Teyla "Teyla" of course in Rising. But if I'm not mistaken, she first refers to him as "John" comfortably at the end of "Conversion". That one I'm not terribly sure of, so correct me if I'm wrong.
Originally posted by Scary Kitty View PostI did that... once. *chugs a mojito* I wonder if we could get the smiley icon changed to make more of a quick visual distinction between the two threads...Originally posted by Regularamanda View PostOr whenever the review comes around for this thread and if they rename it...maybe there should be a mention of having Elizabeth's name firstVisit SGArising.com to read our virtual continuation of the Atlantis series!
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Originally posted by Eri13 View Post
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Yes, our thread will be renamed shortly, probably to John Sheppard/Elizabeth Weir thread. I definitely think we could put her name first and maybe replace the smiley, though I do look for that smiley when I log on...
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Originally posted by Southern Red View PostI just click on my controls first and it brings up any thread you have posted in that has new posts. Saves time and you avoid all the threads you don't want to read. It's only when there haven't been any posts since you posted last that you have to search for the thread.
But as I said, not much searching
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Sparky picspam. For some reason I got distracted by the 6th pic. Don't look.
Spoiler:John: So what's happenin' on the Sparky thread?
Liz: Well, they've had a resurgence of Sparky goodness today.
John: Huh, what brought that on? They've been very quiet this week. Frankly, I've been a bit disappointed.
Liz: Well it looks like somebody reported them for being off topic?
John: How can they be off topic? Isn't everything about Sparky?
Liz:That's what I thought, but some people don't like us.
John: Well it looks like it backfired because our thread is busier than ever.
Liz: Yep, even some people who haven't posted in awhile are showing up.
John: Sweet!
John: Well, gotta go. I'm giving Kanaan a golf lesson.
Liz: John, wait. I'll head out with you. I loaned Teyla my Victoria's Secret catalog and she wants to show me the items she's planning to order.
John: Oooh, a present for Kanaan I'm betting.
Liz: Promise me you won't say anything. It's a surprise.
John: Only if you order that red one I like.
Liz: John, you told me you hadn't even glanced at that catalog...what red one?
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Originally posted by Southern Red View PostSparky picspam. For some reason I got distracted by the 6th pic. Don't look.
Spoiler:John: So what's happenin' on the Sparky thread?
Liz: Well, they've had a resurgence of Sparky goodness today.
John: Huh, what brought that on? They've been very quiet this week. Frankly, I've been a bit disappointed.
Liz: Well it looks like somebody reported them for being off topic?
John: How can they be off topic? Isn't everything about Sparky?
Liz:That's what I thought, but some people don't like us.
John: Well it looks like it backfired because our thread is busier than ever.
Liz: Yep, even some people who haven't posted in awhile are showing up.
John: Sweet!
John: Well, gotta go. I'm giving Kanaan a golf lesson.
Liz: John, wait. I'll head out with you. I loaned Teyla my Victoria's Secret catalog and she wants to show me the items she's planning to order.
John: Oooh, a present for Kanaan I'm betting.
Liz: Promise me you won't say anything. It's a surprise.
John: Only if you order that red one I like.
Liz: John, you told me you hadn't even glanced at that catalog...what red one?
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Good morning, Sparkies!
Originally posted by Eri13 View PostYes, our thread will be renamed shortly, probably to John Sheppard/Elizabeth Weir thread. I definitely think we could put her name first and maybe replace the smiley, though I do look for that smiley when I log on...
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostI just click on my controls first and it brings up any thread you have posted in that has new posts. Saves time and you avoid all the threads you don't want to read. It's only when there haven't been any posts since you posted last that you have to search for the thread.
SR, I can't see your picspam! They've all been replaced by those evil "this image or video has been moved or deleted" pics.(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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Originally posted by Southern Red View PostThis is OT but since it's about John/Joe maybe I'll be forgiven.
Spoiler:It may already be old news, but I just learned that there will be a feature at long last on JF on the S5 DVD's called "Conversation with a Colonel".Spoiler:I think there was something about that on JM's blog a little while ago, but Ivon Bartok (the guy who puts together all the DVD features) wrote on his blog/twitter a couple of days ago that it was going to happen and the title for the feature.
And yeah, it's been long overdue. Too bad they never bothered to do a feature on Torri while she was on the show.(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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Originally posted by Anuna View PostHm, I'll try to answer this without bringing any non topic relationships into the mix, but I'm afraid I can't escape the friendship that never got explored properly. I mean Teyla and Elizabeth friendship.
I think at that point John was feeling too upset, too guilty, too much of everything to face the task of putting Elizabeth's life into a box. The process would be both mechanic and symbolic and like Scary Kitty said, it would be too much like saying goodbye in a moment when John desperately needed hope. In my personal canon, Teyla didn't ask anyone to do it, she did it because she knew both of her friends would appreciate that. (that's something I love about Teyla)
Originally posted by Lt.Colonel John Sheppard View Postlove the walk and talk in This mortal coil. though if the clone elizabeth really did come back to atlantis season 4 and season 5 would've taken a very different turn.
Originally posted by KrisRussel View PostIf Elizabeth had stayed on then maybe we would have had a season 6
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostThis is OT but since it's about John/Joe maybe I'll be forgiven.
Spoiler:It may already be old news, but I just learned that there will be a feature at long last on JF on the S5 DVD's called "Conversation with a Colonel".
HEADS UP:
Amazon has season 4 on sale for a good price right now. I ordered it because as much as I hate what they did, I think Torri and Sparky are pretty amazing in season 4. Plus the scene in Adrift where Keller tells John that Elizabeth probably won't make it is so heartbreaking. John's reaction shows how much he feels for her; it's one of my Sparky!canon moments. It's also the beginning of the change in him which carries forward in both seasons 4 and 5.sigpicsig by SueKay
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Originally posted by Southern Red View PostThat fic was perfect. It should have gone just that way.
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostThat's a tidbit I got from re-reading the beginning of this thread. We had some posters around here with good inside connections who said at the time that the ship focus changed shortly after the pilot aired and the Joe/Torri chemistry was the reason. Also the emergence of the huge Sparky shipper group may have influenced decisions. Why they backed off later is anybody's guess but I agree that TPTB were not unaware of the Sparky.
Originally posted by Southern Red View PostThat always baffled me but I don't think it's entirely true. Just recently in answering a question, I forget exactly what, JM said that they each watched the end results multiple times both before and after adding the effects. I think it's just that Sparky was something they didn't want to see, so they ignored it. It's like a phenomenon I used to notice when I taught. A kid would write a book report and read it to the class. Okay fine. Then I would read it to do the grade and find the kid had read what he wanted it to say, not necessarily what was actually on the page. Does that make sense? That's why it's hard to beta read your own fics. It's some sort of mind/eye lack of connection or some such.(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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Originally posted by Irish Eyes View PostI love your interpretation of this and since in my mind Teyla and Elizabeth were good friends, it works for me. However, the cynical part of me thinks the writers had her do this just to give her something to do.
Originally posted by Irish Eyes View PostThis is excellent news. It better be at least an hour to make up for making us wait this long.
Originally posted by Irish Eyes View PostHEADS UP:
Amazon has season 4 on sale for a good price right now. I ordered it because as much as I hate what they did, I think Torri and Sparky are pretty amazing in season 4. Plus the scene in Adrift where Keller tells John that Elizabeth probably won't make it is so heartbreaking. John's reaction shows how much he feels for her; it's one of my Sparky!canon moments. It's also the beginning of the change in him which carries forward in both seasons 4 and 5.(This is legal notice that any attempt to censor or delete, for the purpose of oppressing fair and open discussion, any statement made by me will be considered a violation of my right to free speech as guaranteed by the First Amendment of the United States Constitution, and will be dealt with in accordance with federal law.)
Sparky is on screen. Therefore, it is canon. Elizabeth is still out there. And John WILL bring her home.
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