Sacrifice (216)

[thebiggfrogg]

I agree. I didn't hate Dee although I never really liked her either, she is just like any girl of this universe. Face it people, every type of character on BSG has its parallel with real life people.

And Apollo bleed like a girl???? When you get two shots like that, I'll be surprised you don't faint. I would know.... not that I'm in the military, I'm only 14 years old, but I spend weekends with Navy pilots who sometimes find themselves in this kind of situation and they get hurt like that and slipped to unconsciousness, my best friend Eric got shot twice when his team was surrounded by hostile forces, he was a mess when they brought him back.

Can't dodge??? My friends are full-trained Navy personnel who still doesn't know how to dodge well, and people get caught in friendly fire all the time, I mean, it's friendly so you don't expect to get shot at. I was playing paintball gun war with them and I was victorius in the battle because they didn't know how to dodge my shots. Things happen, I don't think Apollo expected Starbuck to hit him instead...

I like Apollo, he's a very complex character. People like him needs just a nudge in the back or a support to reach their highest potential, and Apollo can be really good when he's at his best. I can understand the feelings he's going through having to live up to the expectations and the greatness of his father.

It was a sad ep, and I just started to really really like Billy too....

Great response! 14 years old, eh? Wise beyond your years. I don't understand all this Lee bashing. So he isn't some mindless shoot-'em up brickhead. He thinks. He's Hamlet. I like the fact that he is tortured a bit over the things he has done. It makes him human. That is what I love about Galactica. Everyone has their faults and nobody gets away unscathed (liked dodging bullets like Superman). Lee and Dee both suck at this point. But I've been divorced--it happens. Again, they aren't agents of Satan just flawed human beings. Keep it up Galactica, these characters are complicated and interesting!

[Lady Snow]

Finally... a non-flashback episode.

I know! I didn't even have to throw anything at the TV! (However, I nearly did when SG-1 had the "8 Hours Earlier" going on...)

And I love that Lee got shot by Kara, because I didn't feel like they really had enough baggage between them. ... Kara gets away with a lot of stuff because she's Adama's favorite, but actually putting a bullet in his son... there might be some consequences from that one.

First, LOL! Of everyone on the show, Lee and Kara needed so much more baggage between them. And yes, I also agree that the Admiral will not be as forgiving (or whatever) to Kara in the near future. She's killed one of his boys and nearly (both emotionally and physically) the other. And yet... I'm still shipping L/K. Interesting.

Oh yeah. The whole Lee/Dee relationship is forced and hollow and the sooner Dee gets fingered as a cylon and this fracking thing can end the better.

Word.

[userfriendly]

...Most if not all of the women in this series lust after men they cannot have examples;
... , Kelly & the Chief, ...

who would that be, captain kelly?

anyway, wasn't the best episode but on pair with scar and much better than, say, black market, so... i liked most of it, e.g. that hilarious scene with ellen thinking lee wanted to, uhm, frak her in the restroom

[cyke]

not billy !!!!! NO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i cant believe it .. but dint he get hit in the shoulder.. omg ..dee you little b**** !

[userfriendly]

no, lee got the bullet in the shoulder... billy got a whole salvo into his chest iirc... thoroughly done...

[hU$h3rN7242c]

Man, this show is brutal to watch.

It just occured to me how much this episode was the exact opposite of every other action-movie-hostage-situation type thing you see in movies and TV. It was almost the Anti-Die Hard. Everything that could have gone wrong went wrong: Lee tries to protect Ellen, she freaks on him. Lee tries to foil them from within, he fails. Starbuck tries to rescue everyone, she winds up almost killing Lee. It finally all ends in a bloodbath, and the price paid is much too high.

I can't help but think that this is the point. It's still pretty brutal to watch.

Very good points. I think that RDM and crew tend to try and set themselves apart from the stock shows out there. For those reasons, I liked this episode. I know some folks are anti-Lee/Dee and upset that Billy is gone, but it was interesting to watch play out. I'm not sure where they are going with the Dee/Lee/Kara thing. Kara is hooked on Anders, and on some level Lee. Lee is hooked on Kara on some level, and the Dee thing seems like it may be him trying to stay away from Kara. Who knows. At this point, I'm happy to watch it play out. I know there's a contingent out there that wants to see Kara and Lee get down. I wouldn't mind seeing that myself, but the whole triangle thing always can get pretty interesting. I also see why Dee and Lee would gravitate towards each other, at least for the time being.

[Astaire310]

OK episode, but far too predictable. So many plotlines/story arcs were advanced in such obvious ways that it made BSG feel like a soap opera. Only, much, much faster, thank goodness...

We knew that a wedge had to be driven between Adama and Roslin now that Cain is dead. The power struggle between the civilian government and military is a major storyline of the show.

We knew that a bigger wedge had to be driven between Kara and Lee than just thoughts of the possibly dead one-night stand (three-day stand?) Anders on Caprica. Can't let them get together in Season 2.

We knew the wedge would be Dee which meant that Billy had to be taken out of the picture. Once Billy started making intelligent comments to Roslin and Adama we should have know he was toast. Particularly after his proposal was refused. Also, he hasn't had a compelling storyline since the min-series.

We knew that Dee and Ellen had to survive in the hostage crisis because Dee is the "Wedge" and Ellen has a mysterious, unresolved plot line with Zarak. She also has to stick around to torture Saul (and all of us.) I really enjoy hating her.

Some other comments...

I thought that the actor who plays Tigh (and the character) was excellent in this episode. His range of expressions is really wonderful. I love Tigh when he is not drinking.

Gold stars to Boomer this week for refusing to tell Adama the names of the other Cylon agents. I like her even more for not being a complete traitor to her race.

Ellen's take on Lee's trip to the bathroom was hilarious.

After consistently hating Lee for 18 months, I actually liked him in this episode. He showed he had a brain. He noticed the terrorists before they made their move and came up with a clever plan. I liked the CO2 detector ruse. He probably took Ellen to the loo with him because he knew that she would mess everything up if he left her outside, not in order to save her. (Well, I will give him the benefit of the doubt on this one. He must have known that the terrorists would check the restroom and she wouldn't really be safe in there.) Not his fault that Kara shot him and he passed out. I thought that he was a whiny wuss last season, but he is slowly redeeming himself.

Poor Kara. Nothing ever works out right for her. Even more guilt is piled on her this week. Kills Zak, shoots Lee, enrages/disappoints her substitute father Bill Adama, etc. Nothing works out well for any of the characters if you think about it though...

Did anyone else wonder why the maintenance tunnel where the CO2 detector was didn't connect to other maintenance tunnels in the ship? Why couldn't Lee and Ellen just escape through it? (I think that might have made the episode more interesting.) You would think that there would be some kind of comm system in there as well considering there are no cell phones on board...

[THSEX1138]

who would that be, captain kelly?

anyway, wasn't the best episode but on pair with scar and much better than, say, black market, so... i liked most of it, e.g. that hilarious scene with ellen thinking lee wanted to, uhm, frak her in the restroom

Clarification Specialist Cally and Chief Tyrol. Who is Captian Kelly anyway?

[ShadowMaat]

I wouldn't mind Callie/Tyrol, although I'm not sure Tyrol could ever think about Callie "that way". But hey, maybe she can... open his eyes.

[l33tn00b]

Billy! Oh Noes!!!!!!!!!!!!1!

[Cikak]

Am I the only one kind of pissed that Dee went to Apollo right after Billy died, I mean for gods sake Billy JUST died

[cyke]

Am I the only one kind of pissed that Dee went to Apollo right after Billy died, I mean for gods sake Billy JUST died

when the whole thing occured, i was in some sort of disbelief of what iwas seeing, lee critically shot, billy dead. i didn't know what to think .. now that some time has passed....billy noooo !!! .. he was one of the most interesting minor characters they had . cudnt they put him in a coma ? .. are they going the track like lost where major characters are up for game.

[Agent_Dark]

I thought the end scenes were interesting. Roslin having someone who she considered her son (Billy) dieing and Boomer lying on the bed. I wonder if those scenes are foreshadowing something on their behalfs?

[Psychodad]

Very good points. I think that RDM and crew tend to try and set themselves apart from the stock shows out there.

Very true and I'm happy to see it. Hi everyone. I've been lurking a while but I've decided to join the discussion.

re Billy: RDM developed a rep for being the grimm reaper over at Star Trek for offing established characters. Maybe someone should start a Galactica deadpool.

Everyone hates the whole Lee/Dee thing but I find it intriguing. It shows how human and flawed these characters are.

BTW Gateworld smileys are hilarious.

[alaskannut]

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I am sorry but when Elen life was threatened I just was like "come on just shoot the B**** and get it overwith and I would be happy about it." I was not happy when they chose to kill Billy over Elen, which is why I think RDM and writers decided to do that. Nevertheless, sad

Hate to break it you, but no amount of bullets can kill that one....for that you'd need a sharpened 4x4

Anyway, did not see Billy's death coming...I'd heard speculation he might die in the season finale or something...but I did not expect it in this episode!