Sacrifice (216)

[ShadowMaat]

Lee and Dee. One shallow, arrogant character finds another. Perfect.

Billy did deserve someone better.

[titans]

Lee and Dee. One shallow, arrogant character finds another. Perfect.

Billy did deserve someone better.

Agreed!

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I am so on board with that statement. However, the writers of BSG have other plans...

Throughout both seasons, Dee has been painted as a saving angel for the Adama men, and Kara being the unpredictable, and dangerous wildcard. Based on the events on the episode "Sacrifice", I predict a long, serious relationship for Lee & Dee

your probably right. Now that I think about it, she has been the voice of reason several times this season.

[ShadowMaat]

As for the ep itself, I found it very dull. It was a stock storyline with stock characters and other than adding a couple question marks onto Sharon's allegiance and murdering Billy, I didn't feel the ep served any purpose.

That makes three bland eps in a row, by my own reckoning. I hope things get better soon.

[LoneStar1836]

They killed Billy! You *******s. Poor Billy. I had a feeling this was the one he was going to buy it in. I was already spoiled when someone created a spoiler thread about his death which had the spoiler in the mouse over.

It was pretty obvious anyway he was going to eventually be sacrificed for the sake of ship. They are quickly casting an unfavorable light on Dee whom I use to really like. Course Lee’s not escaping unscathed either.


And poor Colonel Reynolds.....oops, wrong show....I wonder if that actor was playing the same character he played in “Flesh and Bone” (the captain of that ship where they found Leoben) or was he supposed to be a different person and they just hoped we wouldn’t remember his face.

Umm not quite sure how I feel about this episode. Had too much ship for my taste. The show already gets accused of being a soap opera, and this one kind of came too close to that. And finally Kara has gotten in on the skulking action. First it was Dee in Resurrection Ship, Pt 2, then Lee in one of those last couple of eps, and now Kara.... Plus, like Shadow said, it really served no other purpose, storywise.

{snip}.... gets caught by friendly fire (moron doesn't know how to duck) and bleeds all over the place like a girl! (moron!) God I hate him!

lol. Uh how does one bleed like a girl (other than then um obvious answer)? They better not have Lee throwing a baseball anytime soon cause then you’ll have to come back with the classic response that he throws like a girl. I think I'll have to agree with you though on the ducking thing.

Guys, gentle warning, be very mindful of your spoiler space when discussing this eps outside of this thread.

Also bear this in mind with your sigs. The UK has yet to see this and given the rather shocking events, i'm sure they'll appreciate not being spoiled

Those poor saps from the UK would be best advised to stay away from this folder anyway because even the most innocuous threads have spoilers in them. This folder is peppered with them and often without warning. I’m just thankful I’m not having to wait to see these eps.

[ShadowMaat]

Uh how does one bleed like a girl.

Well, obviously a man would be able to suck it up and stop the bleeding through sheer manly willpower. Only a sissy would faint like that.

[LoneStar1836]

Well, obviously a man would be able to suck it up and stop the bleeding through sheer manly willpower. Only a sissy would faint like that.

Well my brother ought to be happy because he thinks Lee is a wuss as well.

Hey at least for once I didn’t have to scream at the idiots on tv to apply direct pressure to a gun shot. At least this show gets it right, like Tigh did with Adama in KLG. I can’t stand it when someone gets shot, and the other idiots are like “OMG what do I do now...”. Apply direct pressure. Duh.

[Vienna_Smiles]

Well my brother ought to be happy because he thinks Lee is a wuss as well.

Hey at least for once I didn’t have to scream at the idiots on tv to apply direct pressure to a gun shot. At least this show gets it right, like Tigh did with Adama in KLG. I can’t stand it when someone gets shot, and the other idiots are like “OMG what do I do now...”. Apply direct pressure. Duh.

If Lee weren't injured so badly, I would have smacked him upside the head for being a total emotional f**kwit.

[THSEX1138]

Sad episodes are always the best. Billy is dead.....really? I don't think so. We'll see him again.

What is with all the hatred with Dee? I personally feel that Dee is a very attractive woman and cannot understand all of the remarks about her being annoying. You gotta have love for woman that goes after what she wants. What makes her more annoying than any of the other women on this show? Most if not all of the women in this series lust after men they cannot have examples; Dee & Billy (at first), Starbuck & Apollo (when she knew she had him she didn't want him any more), Ellen & Zarak, Specialist Cally & Chief Tyrol, Number 6 & Baltar shall I keep going? Face it folks you cannot hate someone that you don't believe in. If you hate Dee it's because KANDYSE McCLURE is a damn good actress. Worry not all the Dee haters out there the minute Apollo develops true feelings for Dee Starbuck will be there to drive a deep wedge between them.

[The Shadow]

Sad episodes are always the best. Billy is dead.....really? I don't think so. We'll see him again.

What is with all the hatred with Dee? I personally feel that Dee is a very attractive woman and cannot understand all of the remarks about her being annoying. You gotta have love for woman that goes after what she wants. What makes her more annoying than any of the other women on this show? Most if not all of the women in this series lust after men they cannot have examples; Dee & Billy (at first), Starbuck & Apollo (when she knew she had him she didn't want him any more), Ellen & Zarak, Kelly & the Chief, Number 6 & Baltar shall I keep going? Face it folks you cannot hate someone that you don't believe in. If you hate Dee it's because KANDYSE McCLURE is a damn good actress. Worry not all the Dee haters out there the minute Apollo develops true feelings for Dee Starbuck will be there to drive a deep wedge between them.

I agree. I didn't hate Dee although I never really liked her either, she is just like any girl of this universe. Face it people, every type of character on BSG has its parallel with real life people.

And Apollo bleed like a girl???? When you get two shots like that, I'll be surprised you don't faint. I would know.... not that I'm in the military, I'm only 14 years old, but I spend weekends with Navy pilots who sometimes find themselves in this kind of situation and they get hurt like that and slipped to unconsciousness, my best friend Eric got shot twice when his team was surrounded by hostile forces, he was a mess when they brought him back.

Can't dodge??? My friends are full-trained Navy personnel who still doesn't know how to dodge well, and people get caught in friendly fire all the time, I mean, it's friendly so you don't expect to get shot at. I was playing paintball gun war with them and I was victorius in the battle because they didn't know how to dodge my shots. Things happen, I don't think Apollo expected Starbuck to hit him instead...

I like Apollo, he's a very complex character. People like him needs just a nudge in the back or a support to reach their highest potential, and Apollo can be really good when he's at his best. I can understand the feelings he's going through having to live up to the expectations and the greatness of his father.

It was a sad ep, and I just started to really really like Billy too....

[Ramne]

Wow, didn't see the Billy death coming. Why couldn't they kill off Ellen Tigh instead? PLEASE?!

[THSEX1138]

Look at it this way if it weren't for Dee more than half the fleet would have been destroyed on Kobol and there would be about 12.009 people on the whiteboard that's if President Baltar decided to keep track.

DEE IS A GODDESS!!!

[Lady Snow]

I particularly liked Starbuck's reaction after she shot Apollo. The whole "Oh holy FRACK what did I just do" look spreading over her face was priceless. This does not, however, mean that I in any way advocate the injuring of the precious CAG. Lee's character is quite a relief on the show - and by character, I do actually mean more than "rather fit body..." Maybe he's idealistic and moralizing and hypocritical, but hey - welcome to real life.

Speaking of priceless, how about Tigh (Saul, that is)? I swear, that man just gets more and more awesome by the episode, regardless of how much screen time he gets. The supporting cast is phenomenal, and I think that's why the loss of Billy really hit me.

Especially after he ate his vitamins that morning.

[aztec_sun]

Listening to the podcast, Ron talks about how killing Billy was to let Paul Campbell move on, carreer-wise. He says he was being offered leads for other shows/movies and that to try and keep the character while making some excuse of why he's not coming up as much wouldn't work.

If I were Paul Campbell, I would probably want to go on to lead roles, too. But Battlestar is so amazing, such a great show, I'd want to be a part of it.

[GALACTIC MYTH]

I loved the episode. I am sad to see Billy go, but am torn in a crossroad if I want to see him again in later eps. or not (if he was a cylon). I liked him as a character and would lilke hiim to stay dead so he died as a good man.

Another thought is If there was only one ressurrectionship, that means that even if Billy was a cylon he would also be REALY DEAD.

POSSIBLE SPOILERS FOR RESSURRECTION SHIP PARTS 1&2 AND PAST EPS.

After the ressurrection ship was destroyed, in that forum I stated that I believe that there are as many ressurrection ships as there are cylon models, (now 11 ships since there are 12 cylon models)and if that is true and Billy does turn out to be a cylon, we know that there are more ressurrection ships.

SPOILERS END

I am sorry but when Elen life was threatened I just was like "come on just shoot the B**** and get it overwith and I would be happy about it." I was not happy when they chose to kill Billy over Elen, which is why I think RDM and writers decided to do that. Nevertheless, sad.

Oh and I not sure if anyone else noticed it but right when Lee was shot Kara was aiming at the man behind him not Lee and Lee just got in the way. (at least I thought I saw a enemy there?) Poor Kara now with all the other bagage she is dealing with now is added the shooting Lee, overhearing Dee talking to Lee, Admrill Adama for shooting Lee, Kat from past eps. and the list goes on, man how much can she take before she brakes. Also I can't stop feeling like her.

Sorry one more thing, I think Dee is feeling guilty and responsible for Billy's death and is now going to try to make everything workout between her and Lee, although there was realy nothing before except flurting, and will hope that it'll become serious.