Tracking Earth's Future via Current Events, etc.

[Annoyed]

Amazon will pay ZERO taxes on 11 billion dollar income under the reformed tax laws.
Who doesn't want that?!?



Trump’s China Tariffs Hit America’s Poor and Working Class the Hardest

Economy Breaks Records on Trump’s Watch. He Wants All the Credit .... but...



That's what any "green deal" is trying to prevent from happening.

You really don't understand what the Kindergartner and her allies are pushing, do you? Only a small percentage of he plan actually has anything to do with protecting the environment. It's a thinly disguised push towards socialism, which never ends well.

But you go right on lapping up what the talking heads in the media tell you.

[Annoyed]

What does any of that have to do with flat earthers?

Huh? This isn't the flat earth thread. This is.

[SGalisa]

reposting this here, since it is more relevant.. in the order that I had previously posted elsewhere on the Politics thread. All replies remain as they were before...
So, again... (and hopefully I can fix a typo!)

Sorry this is long. There isn't much of a choice, except to stay off of here.

^^^ Aretood is correct.

Wrong. Please read my reply to aretood2.

In what way is the US "God's" nation?
. . .
Your biblical basis for all of this is deeply flawed based on irreverent interpretations that have more to do with some idolatrous faith in the US as opposed to the sacred theological fundamentals inherent in scripture...

What?? We were discussing Dems turning into socialists. Nothing about GOD in any of my post there.
(The Link in the below quote goes to the same post that I am noting here.)

They don't think... that's what they (the Democrats) do -- do.
...And if they DO think *at all*, they certainly don't think about the consequences of what will happen if/when they wipe out those underling folks who are faithfully working and actually PAYing their TAXes, which TPTB redistribute to keep certain personas into positions of power and control. Remove the faithful farmers, and no more crops. Remove the dedicated clerks and data / business folks keeping the businesses flowing to consumers and vice-versa, and there will be no more money to finance all those "Socialist" agendas the new (USA) *Socialists* are suggesting will HELP everyone... Even the non-gov't people supporting the socialist / communist way of life fail to see that when the money runs out from redistributing, that their precious society will end up in a fast freefall downfall... only those who "have" will be able to escape that dead end route.

Funny, it hasn't happened in Norway, which by your definition is socialist. Don't get me wrong, Socialism as a pure ideology has its flaws, but I do turn against people who make bad and vague arguments even if I may agree with them...and you are making a very extremely vague argument that is also bad.

I was replying to that portion highlighted... you "turning against" ...thus, brought our previous discussions into perspective, which focused mostly on Biblical items. I am not saying the US is God's nation or a "godly" one at that! Far from it in today's time frame. Maybe years ago, it has more "godly" morals, but no more. Gov't threw *that baby out with the bath water, too*.

Why are you so sure that Gog and Magog are Russia?

I checked the geography map out, and the regional area fits the description.

...Revelations talks about attacking God's people, that is to say that they are the enemies of God's people...and Paul in his letters explicitly identifies the adversaries of God's people as being forces and powers, not people. Why would John then contradict Paul?

Maybe because you don't understand there are 2 different levels of "forces" at work, the spiritual world and the physical world. Both overlap in descriptions at various times, while specific events are identified by the visible sources. If you can't see something at work, but sense it, it's spiritual. If you see an Army of people invading or destroying your country, it's physical. Pretty obvious. Not a contradiction.

Paul was referring to "forces" of darkness and light (demons and angels) working against or for humans thruout time...situations that some humans mostly sense but not actually SEE. Spirit-empaths are *spirit* sensitive...it is a GIFT, not a skill that can be acquired. Ephesians 6:12 is a generalized statement encompassing ALL of history with the spiritual warfare against the demonic realm that began since Adam and Eve sinned in the garden of Eden. The book of Revelation is more specific and mostly about individual events at a specific time, involving the entire earth and nations of people going to war against each other, along with some (angels vs. demons) imagery behind-the-scenes inspiring those human characters involved.

John is referring to a very specific time period, and listing events that we humans can actually SEE. What John saw in the book of "Revelation"... he wrote about in terms his century people might understand. Ever time travel? Ever watch "Doctor Who" traveling to medieval times, and explaining 21st century technology to those limited minded folks who cannot comprehend it beyond the scope of what the Dark Ages has birthed them into understanding?

I never thought Chinese can breath fire, smoke and sulfur out of their mouths....Unless you mean dragons? That's a stretch. Then take into consideration the context of chapter 9. Those forces came from the four angels, not from man. Which brings us back to Paul...

Firstly, you and everyone who supports your POV, you speak as if you are still living in medieval times... or else still fixated on "The Game of Thrones" where fire breathing dragons rule between the Seven (human) kingdoms, ultimately reduced

Spoiler:

to Six.

So, you've never experienced a genuine fire breathing "dragon" known as a choo-choo train... a town that is quite a trek down the road, had a *medieval* styled event a few yarns ago, complete with damsels and gents in Shakespearean dress, and entertainers doing their acrobatics at the various tents. But in the distance, there rode a beastly dragon, whose sooty smoke filled the air as it traveled down the train tracks...all 600 plus tons of it.

In other words, stop limiting (generic) your imagination, unless it is because artistic imagery is not something you are familiar with. John was very creative in his descriptions... Rev.9:17 beasts "with tails like snakes with heads which with they inflict injury", and power of horses was in their mouths and tails... propeller, war airplanes or possibly helicopters with missile-weapons attachments? Ever see those WWII warplanes with the teeth and ladies painted on the sides of the plane's body..? It's easier to see the imagery when comparing these items side by side.

...*Horse*-powered engines... ever hear of such a thing? How many *horses* are under that car hood of *auto-named-vehicle*..? Cars, planes, etc. Heads of *horses* like lions, "and out of their mouths came fire, smoke and sulfur"... missile weapons? Descriptions of these were examined during the 1980's and contrasted during the Vietnam wars of the 1960's. Hal Lindsey was discussing this on his various audio programs and books. This is old news, not new stuff. I grew up with it. This is common sense auto-mechanics / technology knowledge. What have the schools been teaching people these past 2 or 3 decades?


Gotta continue into another post. Part 2 next.

[SGalisa]

reposted this here, as noted in above post, since it is more relevant here.. and posted in the same order that I had previously posted elsewhere on the Politics thread. All replies remain as they were before...
So, again...
Part 2, continued from previous posting...

I never thought Chinese can breath fire, smoke and sulfur out of their mouths....

This isn't (correction, it *is* now) the topic to explain this, but I was describing the colors of the military uniforms. I've had these discussions before somewhere else on this GW forum... many, many eons of time ago.

A few years ago, I saw a picture of a Chinese Army military parade decked out in these very colors! It was a formal display for a parade, not actual combat display. I didn't know they wore such colors. As for clue to which army is numbered 200 million? Rev.9:15, "The number of the mounted troops was 200 million, I heard their number." What makes this verse unique is that back in March or April of 1981 thereabouts... the New York Daily News had an article boasting about the Chinese army numbering "200 Million Man Army" strong. Whoah!

That stuck out like a sore thumb! The coincidence between the two was one of those "oh really?" The NY Daily News article is probably on microfiche or something else by now, since the newspapers probably tossed out their paper copies. I had a copy of the article, and eventually tossed mine out; but never forgot the number in the headline title, and the jist of what the article was about. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to READ what is written in CLEAR enough language in a newspaper, that a five year old could understand it.

The information is NOT coming from my own POV.
Read the verses in order. Rev.9:13-14, reads about the 4 angels at the river Euphrates. The "angels" were going to (motivate and) release the "mounted troops" that would number 200 Million strong (and it is implied that they were also providing a way for them to cross a large body of water on drier ground by "releasing" them at the Euphrates River). Mounted troops on what (machines or horses or genetically modified creatures)? What is significant about the Euphrates River? And how would an army of mounted troops cross a river, unless it was dried up enough to actually cross at a "low tide stream". Angels do NOT need a dried up river to cross physical land barriers, but humans do.

Try to understand some human NEWS history, as noted in the articles below.

"The Nile And The Euphrates Are Drying Up: Both Rivers Are In The News And Both Rivers Are In The Bible (An Inevitable Famine Is Plaguing The Muslim World)"
by Shoebat Foundation on March 23, 2015 in Featured, General
By Walid Shoebat

. . .
The Euphrates River and the Nile, both on the news and both are predicted to dry up causing cataclysmic events on the nations that depend on them. The Bible predicts that the Euphrates will stop the flow of water so that 200 million man army enters to make its way to invade Jerusalem and how the Aswan Dam in Egypt will be completely destroyed.

The Bible also predicted that a war will erupt where Muslim nations will invade Israel, not just over the issue of Jerusalem but over the issue of food (Ezekiel 38:13) and that the price of wheat will skyrocket "A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius …" (Revelation 6:6)
. . .
The Nile and the Euphrates, both are in the news and both are in the Bible; the Nile drying in Egypt and the Euphrates drying up in Iraq. It becomes clear then that a major drought while it effects the world, it concentrates primarily the Muslim world. Experts tell us that the Tigris-Euphrates basin comprising Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and western Iran is in great threat...

Gotta *love* reading those comments at the end of the article by the readers...
Several comments reinforce some thoughts that I've brought up over these many years... and that is the 1st time I've ever seen this article from Walid Shoebat.

If anyone chooses to poo-poo Walid Shoebat's report on the rivers drying up, thus paving an easy transit / travel route across on dry ground by (human military) "mounted troops", then here is another source. I saw this article below years ago...

Subscription may be required to read article...(article in the NY Times)

"Iraq Suffers as the Euphrates River Dwindles"
By CAMPBELL ROBERTSON, JULY 13, 2009


. . .
The Euphrates is drying up. Strangled by the water policies of Iraq’s neighbors, Turkey and Syria; a two-year drought; and years of misuse by Iraq and its farmers, the river is significantly smaller than it was just a few years ago. Some officials worry that it could soon be half of what it is now.

The shrinking of the Euphrates, a river so crucial to the birth of civilization that the Book of Revelation prophesied its drying up as a sign of the end times, has decimated farms along its banks, has left fishermen impoverished and has depleted riverside towns as farmers flee to the cities looking for work.
. . .

Ooops! What was that? The NY Times was discussing Biblical prophecy, simply because a dam is drying up?

The Bible says 4 Angels were at work on the River Euphrates? That is, invisible forces were drying up the river Euphrates? or should we see the physical aspects from mankind building dams and blocking water flows...thus, drying the (Middle Eastern) river(s) up..? Really? which FORCE is it that is at work here... angels or men, or BOTH...?

what verses were you reading?
Here is Rev.9:17 (NIV)
"The horses and riders I saw... looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur." The rest of Rev.9:17 describes the fire power (of missiles, perhaps?). Rev.9:9 describes a similar scenario where "They had breastplates *like* breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle." That is a perfect description of some military hardware with very loud ENGINES.

Especially if "fire" is projected from the mouth of such (a creature's) an image, perhaps the military's hardware is painted these colors. So, what military items shoot fire from their "mouth" (imaginary facial front nose/mouth area). Canons. Fighter aircraft and those loaded with missile systems. Ground tanks (tho, I've never seen a tank look like the description in Rev.9:17).

(Try to) THINK. Use that artistic creativity to figure these images out. Doesn't take much once the designs start taking shape. Cars, military tanks, warplanes... they all take on a life and "characteristic" of their own. Maybe not this decade, but some far future-future decade... I used to imagine these images as DNA modified LIVE animals and insects... TV's LEXX series got creative enough to use or apply these amazing warfare techniques to their critters... Try translating those images to machinery and high-tech military combat equipment. It fits because it works. The Bible has an amazing ability to be artistic in its explanations of future tech items using *primitive-world* word descriptions.

It is entirely possible another country or coalition of countries would carry these colors. But the war Rev.9:14-19 focused on will most likely be in the Middle East, as the Euphrates River is part of the bigger scenario. I questioned the China connection many years ago, because China was just a background backdrop character in most world events. Now, China is attempting to gain super-power status and has gained footholds in many Middle Eastern war-related equipment support systems.
...btw, My info was based on past news pictures and articles, but recently, most have been removed or archived offline. Convenient? Maybe that is to keep you all guessing as to "who's who"...ha-ha! The mystery deepens...TBC...

[SGalisa]

3rd comment in series...reposted this here, as noted in above post, since it is more relevant here.. and posted in the same order that I had previously posted elsewhere on the Politics thread. All replies remain as they were before...
So, again...
Addendum to below quoted portions...

Also... just noting the EDIT in that quote below was kinda dumb... This IS the topic to post here... silly!

This isn't (correction, it *is* now) the topic to explain this, but I was describing the colors of the military uniforms. I've had these discussions before somewhere else on this GW forum... many, many eons of time ago.

A few years ago, I saw a picture of a Chinese Army military parade decked out in these very colors! It was a formal display for a parade, not actual combat display. I didn't know they wore such colors. As for clue to which army is numbered 200 million? Rev.9:15, "The number of the mounted troops was 200 million, I heard their number." What makes this verse unique is that back in March or April of 1981 thereabouts... the New York Daily News had an article boasting about the Chinese army numbering "200 Million Man Army" strong. Whoah!
. . .
Here is Rev.9:17 (NIV)
"The horses and riders I saw... looked like this: Their breastplates were fiery red, dark blue, and yellow as sulfur." The rest of Rev.9:17 describes the fire power (of missiles, perhaps?). Rev.9:9 describes a similar scenario where "They had breastplates *like* breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the thundering of many horses and chariots rushing into battle." That is a perfect description of some military hardware with very loud ENGINES.
. . .

It is entirely possible another country or coalition of countries would carry these colors. But the war Rev.9:14-19 focused on will most likely be in the Middle East, as the Euphrates River is part of the bigger scenario. I questioned the China connection many years ago, because China was just a background backdrop character in most world events. Now, China is attempting to gain super-power status and has gained footholds in many Middle Eastern war-related equipment support systems.
...btw, My info was based on past news pictures and articles, but recently, most have been removed or archived offline. Convenient? Maybe that is to keep you all guessing as to "who's who"...ha-ha! The mystery deepens...TBC...

Found an image of the colors being described in Revelation 9.
This is not the uniform I saw, but it's from the regional China area. Perhaps China changed their formal uniforms used for public display purposes in their parades.
... probably used in parades and re-enactment (display) events.
"Traditional Mongolian uniform"

Time Period to above uniform image comes from "Major Influences From the Yuan Period (1271-1368)"
However, the colors on their military uniform's chest (breastplate area), matches the very colors described, as I noted before.

BTW, Khan's time period is not the generation being described in the entire book of Revelation...just making note of that tidbit. The reader would have to take into account Revelation 19-20, which has NOT happened yet. So who all is involved? I don't know, but have a feeling the origins of these colors come from that general region of the world.

Please also note that in today's 21st century timeline era and on the field, most military uniforms are usually either camouflage colors/patterns, (desert) khaki, greyish, or drab-olive green. Not the fancy stuff shown off in public parade displays (for *military might and force*).

[Gatefan1976]

What makes your religion right?
Are Bhuddist's liars?
Sikh's?
Pagan's?
Jews?

How many people will you condemn to feel you are "right"?

[SGalisa]

What makes your religion right?
Are Bhuddist's liars?
Sikh's?
Pagan's?
Jews?

How many people will you condemn to feel you are "right"?

I'm not condemning anyone here. Just presenting the *evidence* as I have learned or discovered it.
So, you can explain those other "religions" first GF, since you posted the challenge.
Except for Judaism. I've got something Womble might smile at... but am working on other things at the moment.

This topic was designed for examining whatever is presented, and perhaps also challenged; but that everyone reading into these various things (medical, spiritual, environmental, etc.) can make their own assessment of whatever is being questioned or presented. Sorry if that summary sounds too vague, but it's the best generalization that I can whip up at the moment.

As for spiritual belief systems... If a person wants to come to a certain belief because of how they were raised or questioned the world around them, so be it. That is their choice. This will indeed shape our world's future in some way or another.

Tho I have encountered a few items about other "religions", I wasn't that impressed so not much of them have left a great desire to learn more.

However, I will say this...
Over the recent months, I have encountered a few amazing stories that were so mind-boggling, if I were to compare it to artwork or designer "sewing" and "the eye of the needle", it would take an expert threader to make the stitches land in the desired locations to make a beautiful embroidery image.

The discovery of the REAL Noah's Ark and the Ark of the Covenant were part of those studies that I encountered. Can't say much about them now, because there are investigations still going on to sort out better details on presenting these things to the entire world. Just saying that the few people I've shown the *evidence* with details to, has had a similar *WOW!!!* reaction that I had. There is no other way to describe it. Plus, I did some more poking around with a few research studies, and was even more amazed at what I found. Can't share now, because ...yeah, I don't have the time yet to do so (see below paragraphs for the latest *life* interruption). Plus, it'll take a while to wrap those studies into actual words that makes sense for other people to read about, instead of just seeing me write "OMG!!! Wow!!! Wow...! Wow!!! WOW!!!"

I'm still gathering *evidence* (videos, images, etc.) on a few other research study items that explains specific details that even the greatest artist on earth would have a difficult time creating or designing, and getting the details so perfectly aligned that there is very little room for error. That's all I can say at the moment.

So, patience please, on those other items... I have to work on a home situation (house repairs) that I'm not even supposed to be writing at the moment, but taking time out now and then, because I need a few rest-filled moments from dealing with that other (house) issue that involves decades of memories that are now being removed due to making certain house repairs and improvements.

Sorry. I didn't plan my current house repair project (it started with a leaky roof ---that is now fixed!--- but before the repair, water broke thru the ceiling, came oozing down the wall, seeping into the carpet.. yeah, that nonsense! ...had to get the insurance folks in to assess damage, etc. and now in the process of *fixing* everything! with some remodeling improvements we weren't planning on doing to the afflicted room!)... and was hoping to work on removing some "family memory items" over the next few years (sort thru it at least), but because some continuous storms breezed thru our area, this job come sooner, than later...so, my hands are being forced to deal with those put-off memory projects a bit sooner than I had hoped to work on.

[Gatefan1976]

Here is the rub SG.
IF you are right, and you interpretation of Christian prophetic text IS correct.....
Everyone else is either wrong, or damned. (probably both)

There is no "out" here, you believe, by default, that people who either defy "god's will", or believe in a different god are going to "hell" for want of a better term.

In a broader scope, why do people care about the damned?
Saving means converting, and if you won't convert, you stay damned, no matter how much personal sympathy you might have with someone.

You don't realise it, but you, by virtue of your beliefs are damning billions to hell.
The fact you don't see that is frankly, scary.
The fact that the organizations BEHIND such thinking, think that's ok and a way to treat people as less than human is absolutely terrifying.

[Gatefan1976]

Let me make it very clear.

I don't follow your god, so I am damned to eternal suffering.
FH is not a "traditional" female, so she too, like any other LGBTQ people are equally damned (god don't like queer folk)
So, we are damned, for being ourselves.
We are less than human, for being ourselves.
THAT is what you stand on, that's your "hill"
Don't you idiots DARE say you don't judge people, you already have by default.

[Falcon Horus]

FH is not a "traditional" female, so she too, like any other LGBTQ people are equally damned (god don't like queer folk)

And that's why hell will be a lot more fun to be!
All my friends will be there, and my atheist family.

[jelgate]

You can be saved if you convert to Baconism.

*how's to the Great Pig*

[Chaka-Z0]

And that's why hell will be a lot more fun to be!
All my friends will be there, and my atheist family.

I've claimed a lot already with plenty of space for hellgate parties

[Falcon Horus]

You can be saved if you convert to Baconism.

*how's to the Great Pig*

Is there bacon in hell?

[Annoyed]

Is there bacon in hell?

Yes, but it's 'Roo bacon.

[aretood2]

Let me make it very clear.

I don't follow your god, so I am damned to eternal suffering.
FH is not a "traditional" female, so she too, like any other LGBTQ people are equally damned (god don't like queer folk)
So, we are damned, for being ourselves.
We are less than human, for being ourselves.
THAT is what you stand on, that's your "hill"
Don't you idiots DARE say you don't judge people, you already have by default.

If we take this line of reasoning to its logical end, then every villain in history was condemned by God based on who they were.