The Political Discussion Thread

[Pharaoh Hamenthotep]

You can't think without a brain. For some people even a brain is insufficient.

Some people without brains do an awful lot of talking...

[Britta]

Just enough to operate the mouth, but not enough to say anything worthwhile.

[pookey]

*leaves saucer of milk for PH and Britta*

[SoulReaver]

Just enough to operate the mouth, but not enough to say anything worthwhile.

no but they compensate by saying a lot of it :|

[mad_gater]

You can't think without a brain. For some people even a brain is insufficient.

ah the old "I think therefore I am" ploy eh?

so I guess that scratches even a born infant's right to live since a born infant can't think for itself eh?

[Pharaoh Hamenthotep]

*leaves saucer of milk for PH and Britta*

One to share or one each?

[pookey]

A flying saucer of milk, share

[SoulReaver]

ah the old "I think therefore I am" ploy eh?

so I guess that scratches even a born infant's right to live since a born infant can't think for itself eh?

then where do those neonatal EEG brainwaves come from - the Holy Ghost? +_+

[mad_gater]

then where do those neonatal EEG brainwaves come from - the Holy Ghost? *_*

you do know that the nervous system is responsible for other things besides thinking right?

just because a baby has electrical impulses running through the nervous system doesn't mean the baby has developed to the point where he can use the reasoning faculties human beings have

a baby only understands the most rudimentary of things and is governed largely by instinct rather than rational thought processes...but even instinctual desires do register on the EEG

nice try though

[SoulReaver]

you do know that the nervous system is responsible for other things besides thinking right?

I do though I admit a baby might not :|
this ain't just about instinct or reflex (those EEGs show patterns far more complex than those of a cockroach). if it were they wouldn't feel hunger or pain

just because a baby has electrical impulses running through the nervous system doesn't mean the baby has developed to the point where he can use the reasoning faculties human beings have

obviously he can't do philosophy

moving the goalposts are we

a baby only understands

exactly it understands

[Annoyed]

BINGO hoho...there we go
(I wasn't sure what you first meant hence why I asked for clarification)

see why abortion is much more practical? you know, the obviou$ rea$on - you just stated it


like I said earlier either the government forces them to keep the kids in which case it must also pay for all expenses, or the government sticks to a hands-off policy starting from conception

conservatives can't have their cake & eat it

so would rather let a child die after birth because parents couldn't pay healthcare, instead of paying for it - good to know

conservative slogan: Pro-life...to a point

lol

Spoiler:

Hmmm.. What a predicament. How to solve it? Don't know if there's an answer to that..

Oh, wait a minute. How about not getting pregnant/donating sperm if you aren't in a situation where you can afford to raise the child YOURSELF, and provide a stable environment for it to grow up in.. Sorta like being prepared BEFORE getting pregnant (or donating sperm)

Be responsible for your own actions.

That way, the helpless infant doesn't get murdered before its born or die shortly thereafter because the parents couldn't afford healthcare for it.

Nice tidy solution. Pity so few people try it.

[mad_gater]

I do though I admit a baby might not :|
this ain't just about instinct or reflex (those EEGs show patterns far more complex than those of a cockroach). if it were they wouldn't feel hunger or pain

obviously he can't do philosophy

moving the goalposts are we

exactly it understands

you are the one claiming that a born baby has developed to the point of being able to use higher brain functions

I merely poked holes in that argument using simple logic...something I've been doin' for years with socialist left-wingers

[Britta]

ah the old "I think therefore I am" ploy eh?

so I guess that scratches even a born infant's right to live since a born infant can't think for itself eh?

That's rather nebulous, don't you think the line should be drawn somewhere? At least when there is no brain we can be sure.

[SoulReaver]

Hmmm.. What a predicament. How to solve it? Don't know if there's an answer to that..

Oh, wait a minute. How about not getting pregnant/donating sperm if you aren't in a situation where you can afford to raise the child YOURSELF, and provide a stable environment for it to grow up in.. Sorta like being prepared BEFORE getting pregnant (or donating sperm)

Be responsible for your own actions.

That way, the helpless infant doesn't get murdered before its born or die shortly thereafter because the parents couldn't afford healthcare for it.

Nice tidy solution. Pity so few people try it.

what if the pill fails - hold the pharma company accountable or make an exception for them?

[mad_gater]

That's rather nebulous, don't you think the line should be drawn somewhere? At least when there is no brain we can be sure.

just showing that there is really no difference between a baby who is born and a baby who is still inside the mother's womb

the growth and development of the child to adulthood to decline and death is a seamless uninterrupted process from conception until death...the process of being expelled from the uterus does NOT change anything about the baby, biologically speaking