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Originally posted by mad_gater View Postah the old "I think therefore I am" ploy eh?
so I guess that scratches even a born infant's right to live since a born infant can't think for itself eh?Last edited by SoulReaver; 09 November 2015, 02:28 PM.
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Originally posted by SoulReaver View Postthen where do those neonatal EEG brainwaves come from - the Holy Ghost? *_*
just because a baby has electrical impulses running through the nervous system doesn't mean the baby has developed to the point where he can use the reasoning faculties human beings have
a baby only understands the most rudimentary of things and is governed largely by instinct rather than rational thought processes...but even instinctual desires do register on the EEG
nice try though
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Originally posted by mad_gater View Postyou do know that the nervous system is responsible for other things besides thinking right?
this ain't just about instinct or reflex (those EEGs show patterns far more complex than those of a cockroach). if it were they wouldn't feel hunger or pain
just because a baby has electrical impulses running through the nervous system doesn't mean the baby has developed to the point where he can use the reasoning faculties human beings have
moving the goalposts are we
a baby only understands
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Originally posted by SoulReaver View PostBINGO hoho...there we go
(I wasn't sure what you first meant hence why I asked for clarification)
see why abortion is much more practical? you know, the obviou$ rea$on - you just stated it
like I said earlier either the government forces them to keep the kids in which case it must also pay for all expenses, or the government sticks to a hands-off policy starting from conception
conservatives can't have their cake & eat itOriginally posted by SoulReaver View Postso would rather let a child die after birth because parents couldn't pay healthcare, instead of paying for it - good to know
conservative slogan: Pro-life...to a point
lol
Spoiler:
Oh, wait a minute. How about not getting pregnant/donating sperm if you aren't in a situation where you can afford to raise the child YOURSELF, and provide a stable environment for it to grow up in.. Sorta like being prepared BEFORE getting pregnant (or donating sperm)
Be responsible for your own actions.
That way, the helpless infant doesn't get murdered before its born or die shortly thereafter because the parents couldn't afford healthcare for it.
Nice tidy solution. Pity so few people try it.
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Originally posted by SoulReaver View PostI do though I admit a baby might not :|
this ain't just about instinct or reflex (those EEGs show patterns far more complex than those of a cockroach). if it were they wouldn't feel hunger or pain
obviously he can't do philosophy
moving the goalposts are we
exactly it understands
I merely poked holes in that argument using simple logic...something I've been doin' for years with socialist left-wingers
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Originally posted by mad_gater View Postah the old "I think therefore I am" ploy eh?
so I guess that scratches even a born infant's right to live since a born infant can't think for itself eh?
"BRITTA? WHAT KIND OF LAME NAME IS THAT?"
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Originally posted by Annoyed View PostHmmm.. What a predicament. How to solve it? Don't know if there's an answer to that..
Oh, wait a minute. How about not getting pregnant/donating sperm if you aren't in a situation where you can afford to raise the child YOURSELF, and provide a stable environment for it to grow up in.. Sorta like being prepared BEFORE getting pregnant (or donating sperm)
Be responsible for your own actions.
That way, the helpless infant doesn't get murdered before its born or die shortly thereafter because the parents couldn't afford healthcare for it.
Nice tidy solution. Pity so few people try it.
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Originally posted by Britta View PostThat's rather nebulous, don't you think the line should be drawn somewhere? At least when there is no brain we can be sure.
the growth and development of the child to adulthood to decline and death is a seamless uninterrupted process from conception until death...the process of being expelled from the uterus does NOT change anything about the baby, biologically speaking
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