The Political Discussion Thread

[Gatefan1976]

I do believe military service allows for conscientious objection to carrying out wartime acts that wouldn't be just....such as thermonuking 2 whole cities with lots of non-combatants (one of the rules of just warfare is to never intentionally target non-combatants)

Given that there is only ONE example in history of that, I don't buy your non argument. If you need me to be specific, I was talking about the post 9/11 war on Iraq that was not justified as Iraq produced exactly ZERO of the people who commited the act.

but it is a historical fact that the original 10 Commandments was written in ancient Hebrew...and some of those old languages often don't translate well into English

It's a historical fact that Norse runes don't translate well into English because they are "idea's" as well as words AND letters.
So what?
Stop excusing things, and accept the fact that even the best idea's, and ideals of Catholicism can, and have been abused.

[garhkal]

Yes, that is -exactly- what I am saying Garhkal. What else do you call a belief in an unproven being that for some reason cares about you personally?
Sounds pretty mental to me. It's obviously a pre-existing condition, so should they serve? What if they are in combat and remember "thou shalt not kill" at an inconvenient time and refuse to fire on the enemy and it costs people their lives?

Strange, we've had religious folk in EVERY WAR we have had as a nation, and i can't remember a single instance reported, of someone refusing to shoot the enemy cause "thou shall not kill".
NOW THAT IS NOT TO say we have not had anyone refuse to use a gun.. Such as the Medic who refused, and took it to court martial to still serve, just without a gun.. In fact a movie (Hacksaw ridge) was made about him..

But here's a question.. IF you say we should let those who are transgendered in what of those who feel they are transabled??
http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/02/me...y-as-disabled/

http://www.naturalnews.com/050100_tr...abilities.html

Should they also be let in, for equality sake?

[Gatefan1976]

Strange, we've had religious folk in EVERY WAR we have had as a nation, and i can't remember a single instance reported, of someone refusing to shoot the enemy cause "thou shall not kill".

Really?
Cause, strangely enough, I have never heard of a trans person refusing to do their job either...........
Guess both examples are bull S**t eh?

NOW THAT IS NOT TO say we have not had anyone refuse to use a gun.. Such as the Medic who refused, and took it to court martial to still serve, just without a gun.. In fact a movie (Hacksaw ridge) was made about him..

Nah, really?

But here's a question.. IF you say we should let those who are transgendered in what of those who feel they are transabled??
http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/02/me...y-as-disabled/

http://www.naturalnews.com/050100_tr...abilities.html

Should they also be let in, for equality sake?

You are STILL failing to answer the question, just throwing up more straw.
ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION.
You want ME to chase your little distractions and "whatabout-isms" across the net, but you, and annoyed consistently FAIL at answering anything put in front of you.
Piss off, or grow up, make a choice.

[Pharaoh Hamenthotep]

This is what happens when cisgenders debate what it means to be trans.

None of you have any idea what you're talking about.

And you all sound so stupid.

I mean, seriously, nothing any of you have said is right.

[Pharaoh Hamenthotep]

This is supposed to be a politics thread.

Not the bigoted, hateful, ignorant ******* thread.

Russia just expelled all the US diplomats. The American President is a moron. Britain is imploding in the Brexit crisis.

There is enough going on in the world right now, today, to fill this thread for a month. And the same will be true again tomorrow.

Now drop the bigoted debate over whether other actual human beings deserve to live and get back on the topic of politics.

Or shut this thread down.

[mad_gater]

Given that there is only ONE example in history of that, I don't buy your non argument. If you need me to be specific, I was talking about the post 9/11 war on Iraq that was not justified as Iraq produced exactly ZERO of the people who commited the act.

It's a historical fact that Norse runes don't translate well into English because they are "idea's" as well as words AND letters.
So what?
Stop excusing things, and accept the fact that even the best idea's, and ideals of Catholicism can, and have been abused.

Well the first rule of the just warfare doctrine is that one country should not go to war with another unless all other peaceful recourse has been exhausted or shown to be impractical

in the particular instance you're thinking of there is of course some debate and we may never know all the details. The premise was that Iraq was hiding WMD's for terrorists to use. WMD's were never found. However many contend that Hussein hid these alleged WMD's in Iraq's vast network of underground caves. Don't forget though that Iraq has also traditionally been hostile to our allies in the Middle East, so there could have been some of that coming into play too. Still others contend that it was solely for the purpose of gaining control of an oil rich country, which would certainly be an unjust premise for waging war. Somehow though I don't think we're ever gonna know the real reason we went to war with Iraq as most governments by and large tend to play things very close to the vest.

[Womble]

Russia just expelled all the US diplomats. The American President is a moron. Britain is imploding in the Brexit crisis.

Not doing much to dispel the notion of an ignorant thread here.

Russia has not expelled all USA diplomats but rather enough of them to match the number of Russian diplomats who were allowed to stay in the USA when Obama expelled some of the Russian diplomatic staff.

[Womble]

I'm not talking about pacifism Tood, I am talking -only- to the 10 commandments. Now, you can argue that there is a body of work -surrounding- them, how to interpret them etc, but the 10 commandments -as written- do not themselves contain asterix's or numbered footnotes written by God

As a matter of fact, there is not even an agreement on what the 10 commandments are.

[garhkal]

You are STILL failing to answer the question, just throwing up more straw.
ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION.

Since the Mil begain, we have had Religious folk fighting, and even PUT IN CHAPLINS for their ministrations.. THERE's been no issue with them..
So. NO there shouldn't be a reason they can't serve.

Now drop the bigoted debate over whether other actual human beings deserve to live and get back on the topic of politics.

Or shut this thread down.

Pharo, how is it being bigoted to say Since transgenderism is a mental issue, they should be disbarred from serving just like thousands of other people with mental issues? AND SINCE trump made it political with his "we are going to ban them" comment, how is discussing this NOT hitting on politics?

Also, how is saying "You can't serve" Telling these people they don't deserve to live?

[Gatefan1976]

The MOOCH is gone. 10 days, we have a new record

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-0...rector/8762142

[aretood2]

I can't believe you two debated a hyperbole.

[jelgate]

Maybe he didn't realize it was a hyperbole

[aretood2]

Maybe he didn't realize it was a hyperbole

But I told him that it was...

[jelgate]

That would require him to know what a hyperbole is

[Gatefan1976]

This is what happens when cisgenders debate what it means to be trans.

None of you have any idea what you're talking about.

And you all sound so stupid.

I mean, seriously, nothing any of you have said is right.

Fine.
You are on your own.